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    Grim Sleeper begins his killings in 1985 and continues for the next 3 years until suddenly he stops in 1988...why? I'm guessing that he gets arrested in 1988 and doesn't get out of jail until 2001 or 2002. What happens? The killings start again and in the same area.

    Call me crazy, but I believe this guy is still in the Los Angeles area. He's got a pattern. Most of the murders take place near churches and most of the victims wind up being found in alleyways. Many of the victims are prostitutes.

    Is there a way to get a list of recent parolees for the years 2001-2002?

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    Here is an update on the case of The Grim Reaper.

    'Thin, neat, polite': The Sole Survivor of The Grim Sleeper Speaks Out

    http://truecrimereport.com/

    http://www.laweekly.com/2009-03-12/n...ole-survivor/1
    Last edited by Ruflossn; 03-13-2009 at 09:01 PM. Reason: added another link

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    Quote Originally Posted by elliottness View Post
    Grim Sleeper begins his killings in 1985 and continues for the next 3 years until suddenly he stops in 1988...why? I'm guessing that he gets arrested in 1988 and doesn't get out of jail until 2001 or 2002.
    Since they have run his DNA against the state's criminal data bank, with no results, my guess is that he may have been institutionalized as opposed to being in the criminal justice system during those years. Or... he may not have been involved in any sort of psychiatric care. Rather, involved in a relationship that reduced his desire to kill. You know, similar to Dennis Rader and Gary Ridgeway?



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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowraiths View Post
    Since they have run his DNA against the state's criminal data bank, with no results, my guess is that he may have been institutionalized as opposed to being in the criminal justice system during those years. Or... he may have been involved in a relationship that reduced his desire to kill. You know, similar to Dennis Rader and Gary Ridgeway?
    I immediately thought of BTK when I first studied this case.
    I also wonder if there was anyway this perp. could have been in the military.
    In the military, DNA samples are taken from all 'soldiers', however, the DNA is not tested nor entered into a data base until a reason is indicated. (At least when I took a continuing education class in Oct. 2008 that is what was taught to us).

    The things that I have a hard time grasping are:
    -the van that was identified by a witness. The vans engine was still warm when LE arrived. How many people had access to keys for that van? There is a HUGE clue attached to the van. Did LE search for prints? DNA? Did they find anything?

    -the only surviving victim reports the killer took her picture. At that time, there were no digital cameras, no computers that would print your pics etc.... I wonder if he used a Polaroid camera or did he have the pics developed? Could he have worked in a photo lab and developed the pics himself?

    -the orange Pinto. Don't all cars that are tagged / registered have a description? Could records of all orange Pintos not have been reviewed?

    These are just a few of the questions I have about this case. I have followed this for a long time. It is a perplexing saga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruflossn View Post
    Here is an update on the case of The Grim Reaper.

    'Thin, neat, polite': The Sole Survivor of The Grim Sleeper Speaks Out

    http://truecrimereport.com/

    http://www.laweekly.com/2009-03-12/n...ole-survivor/1
    Thanks for the links, Ruflossn. I agree with the talking heads. I think van zandt referred to him as an "avenging angel," though I would proffer this guy is a cause killer with unresolved issues regarding sex for sale and most likely someone who is inclined to engage their services while at the same time blaming them for his unspoken desires. Hence, his comment, "'That is what is wrong with you black women. You think you are all that.'"



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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowraiths View Post
    Thanks for the links, Ruflossn. I agree with the talking heads. I think van zandt referred to him as an "avenging angel," though I would proffer this guy is a cause killer with unresolved issues regarding sex for sale and most likely someone who is inclined to engage their services while at the same time blaming them for his unspoken desires. Hence, his comment, "'That is what is wrong with you black women. You think you are all that.'"
    I agree w/ your theories. I also think the napkin w/ the word "AIDS" written on it is telling. Remember, in the 80's "AIDS/HIV was just becoming a well known STD. People were learning more about the virus and people were becoming fearful of the virus. I think his issues w/ sex for sale and AIDS are telling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruflossn View Post
    I immediately thought of BTK when I first studied this case.
    I also wonder if there was anyway this perp. could have been in the military.
    In the military, DNA samples are taken from all 'soldiers', however, the DNA is not tested nor entered into a data base until a reason is indicated. (At least when I took a continuing education class in Oct. 2008 that is what was taught to us).

    The things that I have a hard time grasping are:
    -the van that was identified by a witness. The vans engine was still warm when LE arrived. How many people had access to keys for that van? There is a HUGE clue attached to the van. Did LE search for prints? DNA? Did they find anything?

    -the only surviving victim reports the killer took her picture. At that time, there were no digital cameras, no computers that would print your pics etc.... I wonder if he used a Polaroid camera or did he have the pics developed? Could he have worked in a photo lab and developed the pics himself?

    -the orange Pinto. Don't all cars that are tagged / registered have a description? Could records of all orange Pintos not have been reviewed?

    These are just a few of the questions I have about this case. I have followed this for a long time. It is a perplexing saga.
    Funny that you mention a possible military connection because I was thinking the same thing. My gut tells me that this guy was military and had experience using weapons especially guns and rifles. Could have been Army or Marines. I think the reason why there was such a gap from 1988 to 2002 because he was in jail although I could be wrong. I'm thinking that this guy still is in the Los Angeles area or close by. He knows the area and I still believe he's around LA or Inglewood.

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    A new article on who is running the web page about the grimsleeper. It's an armchair detective from England!


    http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/gr...ite-web-maste/

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    http://www.library.ubc.ca/archives/p...1991_03_15.pdf

    Everyone, please go to this link. It is an article from 1991 concerning violence against prostitutes in Montreal. The attacker reportedly drove an orange Pinto, the same as the "Grim Sleeper."

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    Quote Originally Posted by elliottness View Post
    http://www.library.ubc.ca/archives/p...1991_03_15.pdf

    Everyone, please go to this link. It is an article from 1991 concerning violence against prostitutes in Montreal. The attacker reportedly drove an orange Pinto, the same as the "Grim Sleeper."
    This is a great 'find'. Great Job!!
    Have you notified the authorities that are working on this case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruflossn View Post
    This is a great 'find'. Great Job!!
    Have you notified the authorities that are working on this case?

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    I just contacted the LAPD and gave them the PDF plus a link to the file. The article is on page 4. Sorry I did not post that in the earlier message. The newspaper article is from Montreal, Canada and mentions a male in his 30s who drove an orange Pinto circa 1975, attacked prostitutes, curly brown hair, small and thin, speaks English with an accent. Now, it could be coincidental, but there's more. The article also mentions that vehicle description records were kept from that time. If it matches up with the orange Pinto, we might have our guy.

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    I have not heard anything back from LAPD or AMW yet regarding the information I provided them the other day. For those of you who are interested in this case, I provided a link to a PDF file on the previous page. Last weekend I was searching on Google for information pertaining to this case when I came across an archived newspaper article from March 1991. The article was from a Canadian newspaper in Montreal, Quebec. Article mentions a private outreach organization known as "Dans La Rue" which helps street youths in Montreal. Among the youths they help out are prostitutes and the article talks about a "bad trick list." A bad trick list is simply a list of bad clients or customers i.e. "johns" who go to see prostitutes. One of the descriptions of the reported johns is this: "Orange Pinto (1975?), curly brown hair, small and thin, early 30s, wire-rim glasses, speaks English w/ accent, carries a loaded big gun, raped girls for 1 hour and robbed another girl." Also, this organization, Dans La Rue, reportedly kept records of the physical descriptions of the men AND car license plate numbers. Can someone help me and let me know how LAPD or someone working on this case could get access to these records? Does anyone know if Dans La Rue will still have these records on file from as far back as 1991? From what we know, GS took a break from killing after 1988 and didn't resurface until 2002. Is it possible that he left the Los Angeles area and went to other states and even countries like Canada? Also, the lone survivor of GS described him looking "geeky." Wire-rim glasses are considered to make one geeky in some circles. I really think LAPD and the authorities should check out this group in Montreal called Dans La Rue.

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    There is a new article up on the grimsleeper website. There is a slip of paper with numbers and a name on it in old files. What does it mean?

    89-1321882 Jose Sola

    //find.thegrimsleeper.com/2009/03/31/492/

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    Quote Originally Posted by colette View Post
    There is a new article up on the grimsleeper website. There is a slip of paper with numbers and a name on it in old files. What does it mean?

    89-1321882 Jose Sola

    //find.thegrimsleeper.com/2009/03/31/492/
    That is very strange.

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    The number on that slip of paper looks like either a police report number or a court docket number.
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