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    Quote Originally Posted by elliottness View Post
    I have not heard anything back from LAPD or AMW yet regarding the information I provided them the other day. For those of you who are interested in this case, I provided a link to a PDF file on the previous page. Last weekend I was searching on Google for information pertaining to this case when I came across an archived newspaper article from March 1991. The article was from a Canadian newspaper in Montreal, Quebec. Article mentions a private outreach organization known as "Dans La Rue" which helps street youths in Montreal. Among the youths they help out are prostitutes and the article talks about a "bad trick list." A bad trick list is simply a list of bad clients or customers i.e. "johns" who go to see prostitutes. One of the descriptions of the reported johns is this: "Orange Pinto (1975?), curly brown hair, small and thin, early 30s, wire-rim glasses, speaks English w/ accent, carries a loaded big gun, raped girls for 1 hour and robbed another girl." Also, this organization, Dans La Rue, reportedly kept records of the physical descriptions of the men AND car license plate numbers. Can someone help me and let me know how LAPD or someone working on this case could get access to these records? Does anyone know if Dans La Rue will still have these records on file from as far back as 1991? From what we know, GS took a break from killing after 1988 and didn't resurface until 2002. Is it possible that he left the Los Angeles area and went to other states and even countries like Canada? Also, the lone survivor of GS described him looking "geeky." Wire-rim glasses are considered to make one geeky in some circles. I really think LAPD and the authorities should check out this group in Montreal called Dans La Rue.
    It may take a while to hear back. As old as the case is, it won't be a priority even if they are still working it. After about a month or month and a half, try resending it. You might also make it to the attention of whatever detective is mentioned in the article.

    Have you considered looking up the Canadian LE and sending a link to the LA case to them?

    Another option is to make contact with the media who is currently writing about the case and let them know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colette View Post
    There is a new article up on the grimsleeper website. There is a slip of paper with numbers and a name on it in old files. What does it mean?

    89-1321882 Jose Sola

    //find.thegrimsleeper.com/2009/03/31/492/
    I did a quick Google on * "Jose Sola" attorney * and only came up with a real estate connection. Someone good with people searches might try to run one on him and see if they find an attorney.

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    New article with numerous pages of info and videos, on CNN today:

    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2009/new...per/index.html
    Last edited by cleo612; 04-01-2009 at 01:09 PM. Reason: added info
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    Quote Originally Posted by cleo612 View Post
    The number on that slip of paper looks like either a police report number or a court docket number.

    I hate to quote myself, but here goes anyway:

    I just remembered that this perp disappeared for 13 years, and came back into the picture when he reoffended in 2002.

    If you look at this number on the slip of paper that was attached to the Barbara Ware case, and if this number is related to either a police report number or a court docket number, the first two digits, 89, would indicate the year (1989).

    Subtract 1989 from 2002 and you have 13 years.

    ETA: I called this info into the LAPD. They are going to check it out. The detective I spoke to said that it looks like a police report number to him, as well. He said that he is going to pass the information on to the lead detective and will follow up with me at a later date. I will keep you all posted if I hear anything from them.
    Last edited by cleo612; 04-01-2009 at 01:31 PM. Reason: Added info regarding phone call
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    This is a fascinating case. I'm originally from the LA area and I've never heard of it. It's incredible how many of these types of cases, serial killer of prostitutes, goes on and on and on and many people just never know. There's several of these same scenarios of unsolved cases across the nation. Too sad..............NOBODY deserves to die like this.

    Thanks for contacting the PD cleo612. That was my thought as well, that it was a 'case #.' I saw it was connected to one particular case and I went to see when it was and got side-tracked reading other websites, etc about this case. By the time I got back, you'd already handled it. Good job!

    http://www.laweekly.com/2009-03-12/n...ole-survivor/1
    Grim Sleeper's Sole Survivor

    http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blo...-and-2007.html
    Serial Murder Case Update Grim Sleeper Responsible for 12 Victims between 1985 and 2007


    The first link I put up there, the 'sole survivor' has lots of good information. IMHO, IF I were investigating this case, I'd look very carefully at everything she said. Because she's alive to tell her story, I believe she has a couple of IMPORTANT clues.

    1. He referred to her by a 'local prostitutes name.' They really, really need to check out that person, the local prostitutes, friends, family, associates,........IF they can find them after all these years.

    "But now, she says, he was entirely different. He drove off, started to say something, turned a corner — then went quiet. “He asked me, ‘Why did you dog me out?’” she recalls. She had no idea what he was talking about. He called her by the name of a well-known local prostitute who walked the streets around Normandie Avenue and looked like Margette, except the streetwalker wore an auburn wig while Margette’s black hair was cropped short like a boy’s.

    Margette remembers thinking that his weird use of the streetwalker’s nickname was an odd coincidence, because a few days earlier somebody else mistook her for the auburn-wigged woman. But Margette, a tough young woman who’d been involved in a few scraps, wasn’t scared. She was much bigger-boned than her thin, spindly-looking companion, and she was irritated by his hostile tone — something she heard often from the malingering drug dealers and gangsters in her area.

    “Who do you think you are talking to?” she responded, showing him some attitude. He suddenly pulled a small handgun out of a pocket on the driver’s side of the Pinto, and shot her in the chest as he drove along the residential streets."


    2. He also took her too a residence and she waited outside in the car. That's actually what led up to the actual shooting. They need to find out who lived there then and their friends, family, and associates. Maybe the guy used to live there? or his family? He said it was his uncles?

    He merely needed to make a quick stop at his uncle’s house to pick up some money, or so he said.

    They wound through residential roads in his sporty car, ending up on a street whose name she did not take note of. The polite stranger parked outside a mustard-colored house partly obscured by hedges, got out, walked up to the house, briefly talked to someone inside, and returned about 10 minutes later.



    3. His car was very distinct. SOMEONE MUST have known him when he had this car. SOMEONE MAY HAVE done WORK on this car. They need to air this part of the story on AMW. Of course, they may have already and I just didn't see it.

    She was passing D & S Market in South L.A. when she noticed an orange Ford Pinto with a white racing stripe on the hood. She remembers the parked car because “it looked like a Hot Wheels car,” she says, pointing to the run-down market on West 91st Street and Normandie Avenue where the car sat that day.

    From inside, the driver, a black man in his early 30s, asked her if she wanted a ride. He looked neat. Tidy. Kind of geeky. He wore a black polo shirt tucked into khaki trousers. She declined the offer. He kept asking her. She refused again, thinking, “I like chocolate milk, but he wasn’t my type.”

    “He told me, ‘That is what is wrong with you black women. You think you are all that,” she says. The two traded friendly barbs back and forth. But his comment, which she took as a playful diss, prompted her to change her mind. Just 30, she enjoyed hitchhiking in those days, and accepted his offer of a ride for a few blocks to her friend’s house. Despite the drug violence raging in neighborhoods around her, it wasn’t neat-looking strangers who had her concerned. “It wasn’t a worry,” she recalls.

    Once inside, Margette was impressed by the car’s interior. The gear-shift handle was memorable, pimped out with a ping-pong-sized marble ball. The inside was all-white, with white diamond-patterned upholstery. She liked what she saw, and when he invited himself to the party, she said he was welcome to come.


    Just some interesting points,
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    PS...elliottness I'm glad you contacted someone about the other cases in Canada. Interesting as well.............fran

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    Quote Originally Posted by colette View Post
    There is a new article up on the grimsleeper website. There is a slip of paper with numbers and a name on it in old files. What does it mean?

    89-1321882 Jose Sola

    //find.thegrimsleeper.com/2009/03/31/492/
    I think I might have found out what this number is. Go to this site: http://www.laweekly.com/2008-08-28/news/grim-sleeper/ and you will see a photo of one of the deceased victims, Mary Lowe, with another 9-digit number next to her picture. Could it be that Jose Sola was another victim? Or was Sola one of the investigators at the time working this case?

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    Hello All~
    WOW! I have been out of town and have not been able to keep up w/ all the developments in this case. There is some outstanding sleuthing going on!

    There is one thing in this case that has always bothered me: The murderer wrote 'AIDS' on a napkin / piece of paper. Why? What is the ramifications of writing AIDS.
    -Did our perp have AIDS?
    -Did someone he love become infected w/ the virus?

    When the murders 1st started, AIDS was becoming more well known. How had the virus effected him?
    -I wonder if there were any free clinics in the area that might have offered services for those infected?
    -If so, did the clinics take pics of the patients?
    -Anyway to access those records?
    With HIPPA regulations it may be hard to recover the health info.

    I always wondered if the perp disappeared for 13 yrs because of a military career. In Canada, do we (USA) have any bases located where the Canadian victim was found? Any near the US - Canandian border?

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    Follow the trail of a Serial Killer

    In the News Today:

    Talk of serial killers now being documented. I wanted to note this article-


    Follow the trail of a serial killer

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    THis case bothers me for 2 reasons, one the relation of the victims to religious centers, almost every vic has been found within a few hundred yards of a religious center or church.
    Two, the amount of time between attacks seems to indicate that the killer was incapacitated, probably imprisoned for some time, YET, they have DNA and no hits and no attempt on the killer's part to keep the DNA from being discovered. Those are the actions of a killer that is not concerned about his DNA being linked back to him, because he knows it isn't in the system anywhere.
    I have my doubts about there being one killer involved in this, and I think that every single detail, contact and connection in the life of the single male victim needs to be dissected very carefully. He was either a witness or he knew the killer and was becoming a risk.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.

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    DNA traces to him means he hasn't been incarcerated correct. LAPD seems to believe this POS may have relocated during these spans of no killings in that area. Did they mention that maybe Florida had similair cases? Family members with family in Florida and California. Makes me think that this POS has family in both areas. Maybe look at the members of the different church groups and ALL family members. I think that maybe the link.

    I wonder how far the missing woman in LA lived? I am going to go back and look.


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    Hollywood Woman Missing Since February

    May not be related but important that this woman is noted as missing and victim's sister is reaching out to all avenues to find her sister.

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    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/los-...I0H6QCN1S841FR

    I saw this article today and I was wondering if DNA had cleared this man's name. Man's name is Leon Ellis Jr. and he was arrested in July 2007 for being linked to at least 9 rapes in Los Angeles and Chicago. He was suspected of preying on prostitutes and strippers he lured to motels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elliottness View Post
    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/los-...I0H6QCN1S841FR

    I saw this article today and I was wondering if DNA had cleared this man's name. Man's name is Leon Ellis Jr. and he was arrested in July 2007 for being linked to at least 9 rapes in Los Angeles and Chicago. He was suspected of preying on prostitutes and strippers he lured to motels.
    I think his DNA would have been linked to the Grim Sleeper victims too. They linked Leon Ellis Jr.'s DNA to 6 LAPD cases and 2 in Chicago through CA's Combined DNA Index System (CODIS). "The first case occurred in 1999 and the last case occurred on June 23, 2007." I don't think they are the same victims as those identified as GS's victims...

    http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blo...-rapist-a.html

    Also, I found this link that says he's 6'4" and 275 lbs, which doesn't match the small and thin description of the GS. The MO sounds a little different too. But Figueroa Street does seem to run right through the area GS's victims were found!

    http://limbo55.xanga.com/606051362/m...-was-a-rapist/

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    http://community.seattletimes.nwsour...8&slug=1485321

    I found this article, too. It is from April 8, 1992 and describes a rapist named Robert Berdue who was 30 at the time. Berdue was a native of the Bronx, NY who was convicted of rape while in the Navy in 1982. He served time in military jail before being transferred to federal prison in 1984. He was released from jail in 1985. Convicted for forgery in Washington in 1987 and theft in California in 1988. Returned to federal custody in 1988 to finish serving the rape sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elliottness View Post
    http://community.seattletimes.nwsour...8&slug=1485321

    I found this article, too. It is from April 8, 1992 and describes a rapist named Robert Berdue who was 30 at the time. Berdue was a native of the Bronx, NY who was convicted of rape while in the Navy in 1982. He served time in military jail before being transferred to federal prison in 1984. He was released from jail in 1985. Convicted for forgery in Washington in 1987 and theft in California in 1988. Returned to federal custody in 1988 to finish serving the rape sentence.
    OMG! I cannot believe that article! I think I'm just so upset over Sandra Cantu's body being found today that I'm just not reading this right. So instead of locking up a rapist for good, they release him again and PAY him to have sex with more women?? No woman, prostitute or not, should be subjected to that, especially directed to by the police. And the police chief says he'd do this again? To keep his town free from prostitutes? HIS MO sounds more like GS to me.

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