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    IMO Rachel Garden is not a match..


    UID has a skijump nose and Rachel doesnt she has a pointy tip nose



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    Lisa Borden looks possible but wouldn't it be safe to assume an x-ray was done of the UID that would have revealed any metal screws in her hand like Borden had?

    Rachel Garden also looks possible. I have little experience comparing facial features so I'll leave that to others, but I found this article about her that mentions, as did her Doe Network page, that she'd been seen talking to the three men in the dark-colored car. Interestingly,

    In the years ahead, all three would have run-ins with the law, and at least one eventually served time for assault and rape.

    Could one or more of them have been serving time in Texas at the Ellis unit Jane Doe was trying to visit that Halloween night? It's a fair haul from New Hampshire to Texas...

    Here's the article:
    http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/p...NEWS/711160415

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    Hi guys! Sorry for starting this thread and then ditching it, I've been super busy of late! Anyhoo, I can't tell you how happy I am to see so many of you taking an interest in this girl - thank you!!! Now let me go catch up on this thread..........

    FYI...just a little factoid about the Ellis Unit for you:

    http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/drowfacts.htm

    Death row was located in the East Building of the Huntsville Unit from 1928 to 1952. From 1952 until 1965, the electric chair was located in a building by the East Wall of the Huntsville Unit.
    The men on death row were moved from the Huntsville Unit to the Ellis Unit in 1965. Death row remained at the Ellis Unit until 1999. In 1999, the TDCJ moved death row to the Polunsky Unit.

    Unlikely, as one would think this would have been easy to check, but maybe this girl had a daddy or brother or someone on death row that she wanted to see?

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    One thing I find interesting is that "orange socks" was murdered on October 30, 1979 and was located on October 31, 1979. Henry Lee Lucas confessed to killing this girl. It was later learned that Henry couldn't have murdered "orange socks" because he was in Florida at the time she was killed. I am wondering if indeed Henry Lee Lucas murdered Walker County Jane Doe, perhaps he was "copycatting" the person who was actually responsible for murdering "orange socks" or perhaps Lucas wasn't responsible for Walker County Jane Doe's death either. I find it strange that both girls were murdered so close to Halloween and only 1 year separating when they were killed.
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    On the doe network profile they have the following statement.

    "It is believed that Henry Lee Lucas killed this girl, but investigators could not make a match between the bite mark on her left shoulder and his dental reconstruction."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatertot View Post
    Lisa Borden looks possible but wouldn't it be safe to assume an x-ray was done of the UID that would have revealed any metal screws in her hand like Borden had?

    Rachel Garden also looks possible. I have little experience comparing facial features so I'll leave that to others, but I found this article about her that mentions, as did her Doe Network page, that she'd been seen talking to the three men in the dark-colored car. Interestingly,

    In the years ahead, all three would have run-ins with the law, and at least one eventually served time for assault and rape.

    Could one or more of them have been serving time in Texas at the Ellis unit Jane Doe was trying to visit that Halloween night? It's a fair haul from New Hampshire to Texas...

    Here's the article:
    http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/p...NEWS/711160415

    Hmm interestng article

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    The day she disappeared, Rachael was reportedly wearing a two-tone blue ski parka, jeans and a plaid shirt with silver threads. She had on brown lace-up shoes and carried a dark blue tote bag with the word "Things" imprinted on one side. Police believe Rachael left all of her belongings at home, including her dental retainer. She reportedly had a horse she loved and would never have left unattended.

    Bold by me
    - her dental retainer !!!

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    Interesting http://www.skcentral.com/print.php?type=N&item_id=742

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    Texas Ranger Bryant Wells and WCSO Lt. Charlie Perkins have inherited the case after more than two decades, and both agree the girl's identity is the main objective to solve the cold case murder.

    “It got a lot of attention when it was a new case,” Perkins said. “We did an exhumation in 1999 on this girl and had her examined by a forensic anthropologist, as far as better measurements for her age and height.

    We have her dentals, which were actually taken at the time the body was discovered, but we've done updates on her physical characteristics using new technologies which have generated a number of hits.

    Wells said the Internet has allowed details of the case and the unidentified teen to be disseminated nationwide, and every once in a while, cross-referencing will make a match, but so far, never the right one.

    “New materials have allowed mitochondrial DNA results we've also put on a database,” Wells said. “The possibility always exists that we'll find out who she is, and technology generally enhances that chance, so we'll keep working.”

    As of today, Perkins said there are a total of six hits being investigated, and elimination of a few of those has already become quite certain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatertot View Post
    Lisa Borden looks possible but wouldn't it be safe to assume an x-ray was done of the UID that would have revealed any metal screws in her hand like Borden had?

    Rachel Garden also looks possible. I have little experience comparing facial features so I'll leave that to others, but I found this article about her that mentions, as did her Doe Network page, that she'd been seen talking to the three men in the dark-colored car. Interestingly,

    In the years ahead, all three would have run-ins with the law, and at least one eventually served time for assault and rape.

    Could one or more of them have been serving time in Texas at the Ellis unit Jane Doe was trying to visit that Halloween night? It's a fair haul from New Hampshire to Texas...

    Here's the article:
    http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/p...NEWS/711160415
    Quote Originally Posted by KT Can View Post
    Hi guys! Sorry for starting this thread and then ditching it, I've been super busy of late! Anyhoo, I can't tell you how happy I am to see so many of you taking an interest in this girl - thank you!!! Now let me go catch up on this thread..........

    FYI...just a little factoid about the Ellis Unit for you:

    http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/drowfacts.htm

    Death row was located in the East Building of the Huntsville Unit from 1928 to 1952. From 1952 until 1965, the electric chair was located in a building by the East Wall of the Huntsville Unit.
    The men on death row were moved from the Huntsville Unit to the Ellis Unit in 1965. Death row remained at the Ellis Unit until 1999. In 1999, the TDCJ moved death row to the Polunsky Unit.

    Unlikely, as one would think this would have been easy to check, but maybe this girl had a daddy or brother or someone on death row that she wanted to see?
    IIRC, it is not uncommon to move inmates to facilities across the country if they are a security issue, and escape risk etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dearmont View Post
    Anyone think this could be a possible match?

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/14dftx.html


    Lisa Jane Borden
    Missing since 1979 from Big Spring, Howard County, Texas.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: January 15, 1960
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 19 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8"; 140 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
    Marks, Scars: Scar on left hand, as well as screws and metal in left hand from an injury sustained in an automobile accident.
    Fingerprints: Not available
    Dentals: Not available
    DNA: Pending (sample submitted in 2007)
    I think the height bugs me...Walker County Doe was measured at approx 5'1" within hours of her death...
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    Yes, the height would rule Lisa out if her reported height was correct. Since we do not know from what source Lisa's height and weight came from - it may be suspect. For example, when her missing persons report was filed - if the LE asked family "how tall/how much did she weight?"" response could have been .."Oh, 'bout 5'8" mabbe 140lbs"..?

    Problem we all have here is that not all information is posted about UIDs and MPs on the official records - somethings are missed, somethings are just plain wrong. This forces us to look beyond what is recorded. The info on TX Jane Doe is pretty good and since there is a PM photo at least physical facial charateristics can be compared - front and side profiles would have been more helpful of course. Personally, I think Tx Jane Doe was from Texas and not out of State hitchhiker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneInOz View Post
    IMO Rachel Garden is not a match..


    UID has a skijump nose and Rachel doesnt she has a pointy tip nose



    I thought Rachel Garden looked a lot like the UID, esp the particular nostril shape the UID has. IMO a profile shot of Rachel would be more helpful in identifying the exact shape of the front of her nose..it isn't really that easy to tell with the frontal shot here...
    Last edited by amandab; 03-07-2009 at 11:03 AM. Reason: edit: corrected spelling mistake - gotta turn a light on in here!


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    Quote Originally Posted by amandab View Post
    I thought Rachel Garden looked a lot like the UID, esp the particular hostril shape the UID has. IMO a profile shot of Rachel would be more helpful in identifying the exact shape of the front of her nose..it isn't really that easy to tell with the frontal shot here...
    I will see if I can find one....
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    K guys, the UID appears to have all of her teeth present and erupted. We know from the media on Rachel that she had her wisdom teeth removed. I sent an email to the MEDEX for the UID to make sure I was reading the dental information correctly. I will let you know what she says-clearly that would rule Rachel out definitively if the wisdom teeth are present.

    Kind of wild to have a UID with an unusual nostril shape and three fillings like a candidate...at least IMO.

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    Thanks believe - will be waiting anxiously to hear what you find out!

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    Thank you for emailing the MedEx believe! I haven't had much free time to do anything since posting this case, but I knew I could count on you guys to run with it. Seriously, thanks again everyone for the attention you are giving her, she's a special one to me.

    So I haven't emailed anyone from LE yet....we probably need to get the details confirmed since there are height/weight discrepancies between the sites... think I should wait until you hear back from the MedEx?

    Also, just something that has been in my head...I'm a news junkie (obviously, seeing as how I'm a WS'er and all!) and I do not seem to recall having ever seen any local press on this, TV or print. Could be wrong so I'm going to check some archives. Anyway, might do some good to get her story out there, especially in the Houston and south coast areas all the way down to Rockport and Corpus Christi.

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    More I look at this, more I think Angela Meeker is strong possibility for a match. Angela had a mole on the left side of her mouth. The ME photo of the UID shows something that might be a mole but her face is so bruised it's hard to tell for sure.
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