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    FBI To Help In West Mesa Remains Cases

    http://www.koat.com/news/18788605/detail.html

    Expert Offers Theory On West Mesa Remains

    http://www.koat.com/news/18788697/detail.html

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    I haven't been able to read all the links, but I can't buy into the single incident! It doesn't make sense to me. If they didn't already have an ID on the one girl I would be more likely to go for it. She doesn't fit. I would like someone to look at the list Suzy did (great work!) and eliminate them first.

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    I'm very curious to know what was found that indicated that this is a single incident. LE doesn't even have full skeletons and only one ID. My understanding is the field was graded and/or tilled, which is what brought the bones up to the surface. Everything had to be scattered. So what the heck does LE know?

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    Good point! It seems pretty early to call it one incident. We've seen in the news lately the mass killings in Mexico and they make no effort to hide it, they are sending a message. I don't see a smuggler bothering to bury 9 bodies and a known prostitute, imo of course.

    (And sorry for misspelling your name Suzi, won't happen again!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicagofa13 View Post
    Good point! It seems pretty early to call it one incident. We've seen in the news lately the mass killings in Mexico and they make no effort to hide it, they are sending a message. I don't see a smuggler bothering to bury 9 bodies and a known prostitute, imo of course.

    (And sorry for misspelling your name Suzi, won't happen again!)
    Lol, I didn't notice.

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    Thank You for the links SuziQ, and for your opinion on how predators might choose their victims, both were quite enlightening. The commercial serial killer concept that is offered by the expert is interesting, but I wonder how plausible. It doesn't seem like somebody would hire an outside person to kill off or hide ten victims who are living lifestyles so far under the radar. If the speculation that the victims are prostitutes etc... is true, what threat would they pose an organization or person to the point that they would pay another to commit or cover up this crime?

    I am also wondering if the declarations regarding this being attributable to one singular incident a bit suspect. While it may indeed be true, I agree with ChicagoFA and SuziQ who wondered if it isn't a bit premature for LE to be so sure. Is this something they might put out there to quell the community's fear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julessleuther View Post
    That is what I thought of too. In AZ we have a problem with coyotes (people who carry illegals across the border for money) dumping people in the desert, where they succumb to the elements, and many illegals getting killed in drug issues.
    That's a very good point to bring up if LE is saying the deaths are all tied to one incident. Perhaps Victoria knew the coyote or was acting as a translator for a coyote, who killed everyone and kept the money that was paid for them to cross the border.

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    We don't know how deep the other nine were buried but in the first article that chicagofa13 posted (Post #1: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29247408/

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    "Victoria Chavez ... Police said her remains were found intact in a grave 18 inches (46 centimeters) deep without clothing or any other items."



    That's very shallow don't you think? I wonder if the other's were buried in such shallow graves? Wouldn't take very long to dig down 18 inches, even if you had to bury 10 bodies.
    Last edited by Kat; 02-25-2009 at 10:19 AM. Reason: Forgot to put quotation marks for snip from article
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    An Albuquerque mother say she thinks her daughter is one of the ten bodies found buried out on the West Mesa.
    Jamie Barela was just 15-years-old when she went missing in 2004, along with her 25-year-old cousin Evelyn Salazar. (more at link)

    http://kob.com/article/stories/S804136.shtml?cat=517

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    The below comment indicates that this may not have been a single event. There is also a good video of the scene at the below link.

    http://kob.com/article/stories/S802962.shtml?cat=516

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    Police suspect that all of the remains recovered so far are those of young women. They say they believe all of the makeshift burials were undertaken by the same person in 2004 and 2005.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesikah1 View Post
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    The one thing that does not make sense to me is Victoria Chavez, her death seems more likely the working of a serial killer. In addition, on the Charley Project, many of New Mexico's missing women have the following tag written in the details of their disappearance:
    "...is one of a dozen women who were reported missing from the Albuquerque area since 2001. All of them were involved in drugs and prostitution, but investigators are not certain whether the cases are related." http://charleyproject.org/cases/h/herron_nina.html
    Thanks for the heads up on the dozen women. I went through the profiles at The Charley Project and found 8 that specifically refer to the dozen missing. I double checked but still may have missed some that have that reference.

    Cinnamon Elks

    Virginia Ann Cloven

    Felipa Gonzales

    Anselma Guerra

    Nina Brenda Herron

    Julie Cyndie Nieto

    Anna Vigil

    Shawntell Waites

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    11th Body Found At West Mesa

    Police said they have also identified the eighth body found as that of Gina Michelle Valdez, with a birthdate of Aug. 1, 1982. She was reported missing in 2005. Her bones, including the bones of the fetus she was carrying, were uncovered Monday.

    http://www.koat.com/news/18794758/detail.html


    Forgive me if this has been posted, I did not see it referenced above~ Looks like there have now been 11 bodies uncovered and 8 have been identified.

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    There have only been two identified so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amethyst View Post
    There have only been two identified so far.

    It may be an error, but in the link provided by Ruflossn above, it does state:


    >>Police said they have also identified the eighth body found as that of Gina Michelle Valdez, with a birthdate of Aug. 1, 1982. She was reported missing in 2005. Her bones, including the bones of the fetus she was carrying, were discovered Saturday<<
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    Gina Michelle Valdez

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._michelle.html

    Missing date: 22 SEP 2004

    Can't find one missing information for Victoria Chavez.

    ETA: She has an update on Charley project. "Chavez, 24, disappeared from Albuquerque, New Mexico on June 5, 2003"
    http://www.charleyproject.org/resolved.html
    slightly past mid-page.
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