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    AZ - Clarkdale, WhtFem 157UFAZ, 25-40, 9 Months Pregnant, Aug'95

    Unidentified White Female

    * Located on August 14, 1995 near Clarkdale, Yavapai County, Arizona.
    * The victim had been deceased for about six months to a year, indicating the victim died between the summer of 1994 and February, 1995.

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated age: 25 - 40 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2" - 5'5"
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Brownish-blonde hair. She was at or near full term pregnancy.
    * Clothing: She was wearing Gap jeans, a blue hooded sweatshirt, size 8 tennis shoes, a straw hat and sunglasses. A Catalina brand, blue, green and black colored one-piece swim suit was found in a tree near the body. A purple hair clip was also found.
    * Other: She was wearing a solar shield from recent eye surgery.

    Case History
    On August 14, 1995 a mountain climber found the skeletal remains of this White female in the Sycamore Canyon Wilderness area near Clarkdale, Arizona. There was no identification found with the body and no back packing equipment was ever located.
    The trail where the unknown woman was found is ten miles from Clarkdale. No vehicle was located near the beginning of the trail. Police say the area is popular with hikers and follows a creek at the bottom of a canyon. The trail itself is an easy hike, but the general nature of the canyon, off the trail, is extremely rugged. The victim's body was found near the top of a knife-edged ridge, several hundred yards up from the trail. This portion of the canyon is natural wilderness and is difficult terrain for the average hiker, let alone a woman who is nine months pregnant.


    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/157ufaz.html

    I hope there isn't already a thread on this.
    I find this case very strange and I'm surprised that she hasn't been identified yet given such details as the pregnancy and the solar shield.
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    In searching missing persons databases, I found a woman who went missing and were pregnant during the time frame that this women died.

    Sandra Sollie, who was actually from near where I grew up! She went missing May 1994. She was carrying a boy, I would be curious to know the sex of the fetus of the UID.

    http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200503315S

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    Unfortunately, I cannot find more information about the UID on the internet, for example regarding the fetus. Mhm

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    AZ-Yavapai County Woman

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/157ufaz.html


    Woman's remains were found in Yavapai County, they were discovered 10 miles from Clarkdale. She was almost full term pregnant, which means both her and her child died as well. Need a fresh set of eyes on this, any input would be appreciated, shes been gone too long, let's solve this case once and for all!

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    There is already another thread on this case:

    http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81043

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Stardust View Post
    There is already another thread on this case:

    http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81043
    The above thread that you linked above, it brings me back to this one.... same number too! What is the other thread listed as ?????
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    Could this be Jane?

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1118dfca.html
    Cecilia Elizabeth Newball
    Missing since September 20, 1994 from Los Angeles, California.
    Classification: Endangered Missing
    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: November 20, 1962
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 31 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'11" - 5'0"???(152 cm); 94 lbs (43 kg)
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Hispanic female. Brown/black hair; brown eyes.
    Medical Conditions: She was 8-months pregnant at the time
    AKA: Cecilia Elizabeth Amaya
    Dentals: Not available

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Newball was last seen in the company of her son Rene Perez on September 20, 1994 in Los Angeles, CA.
    Her husband last saw her at home, writing thank you notes for gifts from her baby shower.
    When her husbamd came home from work, he noticed that Cecilia's car was parked on the street, instead of in the building's secured lot. He rushed into their apartment in search of his wife and stepson. Inside, there were no signs of a break-in or struggle, but there were no signs of Cecilia and Rene either.
    In the Jeep, the husband found a generic store-bought good-bye card. It was signed simply, "Cecilia." Cecilia's wedding and engagement rings had been left on the passenger seat. Cecilia did not take a change of clothes for herself or her son, nor her son's eyeglasses.
    Three days later, the husband received a letter postmarked in nearby Van Nuys, California. Inside the envelope was a card identical to the one found in Cecilia's car. There was also a typewritten note from Cecilia explaining that she had gone to Honduras with another man, a doctor named Arturo. Police do not believe the note was from Cecilia.
    Cecilia was born in El Salvador. She was on maternity leave from her job as a customer service representative at a nearby company.
    Foul play is suspected.

    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
    Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department 323-526-5541
    Agency Case Number: 990006231 NCMEC #: NCMC860426 NCIC Number: M-070116903
    (I have to question the height estimate of Cecilia, especially if it was guessed by her husband)
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    The hair color doesn't match all that well but the other characteristics certainly do. I agree that Cecilia's height might be a guess and I'm not so sure about her weight, either. If she was eight months pregnant and still only 94 pounds (women are advised to gain 20-30 pounds during pregnancy, though that varies by doctor) could she really have been as light as 74 pounds pre-pregnancy? Judging by her face alone, Cecilia looks like she was either of normal weight or thin, but not dangerously thin.

    I wonder if the sunglasses, swimsuit and straw hat were planted with Jane Doe's body to give the impression that she was vacationing instead of a woman who had been abducted and killed. I googled "solar shields" and they appear to be non-prescription, wrap-around sunglasses often worn after eye surgery, but JD's remains were skeletal, so could the coroner even tell if she'd truly had eye surgery? They could have been planted with her body in an attempt to mislead LE.

    JD was found in rugged terrain and Cecilia drove a Jeep, which wouldn't look out of place at all by hiking trails and could have handled hilly roads. If Cecilia's husband's account was true, Cecilia and her son could have been abducted outside their home and they might have only been planning to be out for a short while, which would explain why Rene's glasses were left behind.

    I think this match looks good, but if it is a match I hope her son Rene is still unharmed somewhere out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadeaBecBec View Post
    The above thread that you linked above, it brings me back to this one.... same number too! What is the other thread listed as ?????
    Methinks I have gone crazeee.....
    You're not going crazy, after LadyStardust's post, the two threads were merged.
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    The bathing suit

    Hey. I was checking out this thread and had a question.

    The one-piece bathing suit... If the lady was nine months pregnant, was the bathing suit the right size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fukiyama View Post
    Hey. I was checking out this thread and had a question.

    The one-piece bathing suit... If the lady was nine months pregnant, was the bathing suit the right size?
    I'm not seeing a size listed for the bathing suit, did I miss something?
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    This lady might be a stretch but I think there's some facial similarity between her and the AZ UID.

    Dawn Christine Haines
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    I am somewhat local to the area where this UID was found, within a 2 hr drive. Some random thoughts:

    Sycamore Canyon is back country, and very remote, so she was either brought here by someone or was a very experienced hiker. No paved roads, no visitors center. This area is near Sedona, so perhaps she was a tourist, but would she have traveled here alone? There are so many hiking areas in Sedona, easier for her in her pregnant condition, so why would she have picked Sycamore Canyon? Sycamore Canyon is, however, only 8 miles from Williams at its north side, which is on Rt 40, which runs across the top of AZ from CA to NM. Depending on where she was located, she may have been near an entrance on the Williams side, rather than the Clarksdale/Jerome side(making the idea of her being "dumped" alittle more likely) In reading the description of Sycamore Canyon, it states that moterized and mechanical vehicles (mountain bikes) are prohibited. How did she get there? There are rattlesnakes and black bear in this area--was she attacked? It is also very dry here--perhaps she did not have enough water and became dehydrated and perished? The doe listing states that she was on a ridge above the trail...was there another trail above her that perhaps she fell off? I would be curious to know what trail she was found near...

    As far as the eye surgery---I wonder if LE contacted eye doctors in the local area to inquire whether a pregnant woman had recently had eye surgery. I have actually worn these glasses, without having surgery, however. My cornea has been scratched twice in my lifetime (yes, the same eye), and I had to wear these kind of glasses to keep my eyes from dilating too much from the light, as that caused irritation for the scratched cornea. They are alittle odd looking, but someone viewing them may think they are just "odd" sunglasses.

    If she had a bathing suit, and it was in fact hers, she had to have been there in the late spring, summer. By Aug, this area is in the monsoon season, so stormy weather is common. This area of Arizona gets very cold and even snowy in the winter, and does not have moderate temps like Phoenix.

    What was her cause of death? If she was in fact placed here by someone, she could have been brought in at any time of the year, but some of the trails maybe difficult in the winter.

    Another thought....if there were any other UID's found in the same area, perhaps she had been traveling with someone and they were carjacked etc?

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    Michelle Barnett has some of the characteristics, and Palm Springs is not too far a drive from this area (4-5 hours). If her family had not seen her for awhile, perhaps they did not know she was pregnant?

    http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200301160W

    Ok--as far as other UID's, this guy was found in Ash Fork, which is very close to Williams. Could they have been traveling together--husband and wife?

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/137umaz.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julessleuther View Post
    Michelle Barnett has some of the characteristics, and Palm Springs is not too far a drive from this area (4-5 hours). If her family had not seen her for awhile, perhaps they did not know she was pregnant?

    http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200301160W
    I've actually looked at her too, there is some resemblence to Jane Doe and it is entirely possible that, if she hadn't been in regular contact with her family, they would not know she was pregnant.

    I wonder if the glasses were Solar Shield brand or if that term was just used to describe the type of glasses found with her. I also wonder if they tried to track down recent purchases in the local area of solar shields.

    It sounds like she was dressed to be outside in a sunny area (solar shield, straw hat) but the bathing suit raises some questions for me. Was she planning on swimming, or splashing in the creek? It says there's a creek nearby but it's hard for me to imagine a heavily pregnant woman wanting to hike a rugged trail just to get to a creek.

    Given that no abandoned vehicle was found, I don't think she set out on her own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessunlil View Post
    I've actually looked at her too, there is some resemblence to Jane Doe and it is entirely possible that, if she hadn't been in regular contact with her family, they would not know she was pregnant.

    I wonder if the glasses were Solar Shield brand or if that term was just used to describe the type of glasses found with her. I also wonder if they tried to track down recent purchases in the local area of solar shields.

    It sounds like she was dressed to be outside in a sunny area (solar shield, straw hat) but the bathing suit raises some questions for me. Was she planning on swimming, or splashing in the creek? It says there's a creek nearby but it's hard for me to imagine a heavily pregnant woman wanting to hike a rugged trail just to get to a creek.

    Given that no abandoned vehicle was found, I don't think she set out on her own.
    Thank you for the run down on the area. That is exactly what we need to hear. Climate, location, tx. And great questions.
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    I agree with you about the swimming. I am not familiar with the swimming areas in Sycamore Canyon, but the big swimming area in Oak Creek Canyon-Slide Rock, would not be safe for a fully pregnant women to use. Just as the name implies, there are alot of slippery areas and unstable rock.
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    I've actually looked at her too, there is some resemblence to Jane Doe and it is entirely possible that, if she hadn't been in regular contact with her family, they would not know she was pregnant.

    I wonder if the glasses were Solar Shield brand or if that term was just used to describe the type of glasses found with her. I also wonder if they tried to track down recent purchases in the local area of solar shields.

    It sounds like she was dressed to be outside in a sunny area (solar shield, straw hat) but the bathing suit raises some questions for me. Was she planning on swimming, or splashing in the creek? It says there's a creek nearby but it's hard for me to imagine a heavily pregnant woman wanting to hike a rugged trail just to get to a creek.

    Given that no abandoned vehicle was found, I don't think she set out on her own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julespa View Post
    Perhaps... the U.I.D. was abducted, held for along period of time (months or years, even), all-the-while being sexually abused/raped by her abductor(s).

    Perhaps... the U.I.D. was not pregnant at the time of her abduction, but became pregnant during her captivity.

    Perhaps... as she neared the end of the pregnancy, the abductor decided it was easier for him to dispose of her before she gave birth, rather than have to deal with an infant, etc.
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    I have followed this case for a while and find it perplexing. She just seems like such an unlikley unidentified person. I find the following points key in identifying Jane Doe.

    1) the spot where the body was found would require at least a five mile hike plus a fairly short but very rough scramble up a steep, rocky slope. A robust, outdoorsy woman who was 8 months pregnant could do it, but why? There are shorter ways to get there but they would require much rougher climbing that I don't think would be resonably possible for such a woman. She probably began at the Clarksville parking area and she had to have gone their on her own accord. Nobody carried a body that far. The police report indicates that no vehicle was left at any parking area nearby. This suggest that someone accompanied her and presumably killed her or left her for dead.
    2) the clothing she was wearing suggest cool, not cold weather; probably spring or fall. The hooded sweatshirt + a swim**** would be consistant with cool weather but the prospect of finding a warm sunny spot to sunbath. There is the possiblity, however, that the swimsuit did not belong to her. In winter the area is very cold with snow; in summer the temps often exceed 100. The death probably occured Oct - May. The clothes also suggest a "middle class suburban" type rather than either a teenage runaway or the street/druggie type which seem to be the more "typical" Jane Doe. She would seem to be an unlikly unidentified body.
    3) I have gone over all misssing women in the time period 92-95 and I can find none that really seem likely matches. Height, hair color, or circumstances of disappearance don't seem to fit. We must trust that Yavapai County LE has reviewed the same information and come to the same conclusion. Assuming that this was a genuine unreported missing person, it would suggest that she had been estranged from friends and family. There could be incorrect information on the some missing person report or on the police report that prevented a "match" but otherwise it is likely she was unreported. The clothing appears to have been bought in the US or Canada and missing person listing for those counties are quite complete for the 1990's. She could have come from Europe but she would have had to purchase all of her clothing in the US.
    4)The Solar Sheild sunglasses are normally used for people after cataract surgery. It would be unusual in someone so young. They are sometimes used by people who are particularly sensitive to intense sunlight/glare. This area has pinkish white rocks with only thin forest cover. On a bright sunny day, glare would be a problem.
    5) there was a theory that she was lost or injured and the bathing suit in the tree was some kind of "signal for help". I think this is unlikely. There were no broken bones and she was not that far from the trail (less that a 1/4 mile). This is a relativly narrow canyon with a well marked trail running along the bottom. It would be virtually impossible to get lost because you could always find the trail by going downhill towards the canyon floor. She should have been able to make it down with even a very serious "soft tissue"(non-broken bone) injury.

    The likely explaination is that a young preganat woman, who was estranged from friends or family (probably due to the pregnancy or the father) was lurded to a "special spot" then murdered by the father. A second possibility would be suicide. It is rare but not unheard of for a woman that pregnant to commit suicide. The big problem in the suicide theory is "how did she get there? This assumes that there definily was no vehicle abandoned near the body. Since the removal of an abonded vehicle would have been a rather minor event and it could have happened over a long time range, could it have been overlooked?

    There are thousands of parents, siblings, children etc who have seen loved-ones "leave" and then never hear from them again. They must wonder, worry or dread what may have happen. I think there is story like this behind our Jane Doe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kemo View Post
    3) I have gone over all misssing women in the time period 92-95 and I can find none that really seem likely matches. Height, hair color, or circumstances of disappearance don't seem to fit. We must trust that Yavapai County LE has reviewed the same information and come to the same conclusion. Assuming that this was a genuine unreported missing person, it would suggest that she had been estranged from friends and family. There could be incorrect information on the some missing person report or on the police report that prevented a "match" but otherwise it is likely she was unreported. The clothing appears to have been bought in the US or Canada and missing person listing for those counties are quite complete for the 1990's. She could have come from Europe but she would have had to purchase all of her clothing in the US.

    There are thousands of parents, siblings, children etc who have seen loved-ones "leave" and then never hear from them again. They must wonder, worry or dread what may have happen. I think there is story like this behind our Jane Doe.
    good point. I always wonder too, when I check the "site updates" on doe network, when they add new missing persons cases from 10-20 years ago. I wonder if this person was just reported missing - do people wake up and realize, 'I want to get in touch w/ this person, and can't find them on my own'? or is it just an overlooked MP case in LE's filing cabinets that suddenly surfaces?

    that's why I always check their site updates - even if you've gone over MP listings time and time again, there's the chance one day your Doe could pop up on there.
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

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    Update ...

    There are two new reconstructions on her doenetwork page:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/157ufaz.html


    Don't know if this is helpful.
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    a long shot

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    timing seems wrong too little info ....


    how about this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoStar View Post
    a long shot

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    timing seems wrong too little info ....

    how about this one
    No, this case doesn't mention of full term pregnant as vital statistics as UID AZ female.
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