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    Quote Originally Posted by CriminalMinds View Post
    odd that there was advanced decomp for the canal vics--water and embalming fluid both slow decomp--exposure to air and bacteria speed up the process--the bleach is non-acidic(although it will damage tissue atfer prolonged exposure), so it would probably slow the process as well, since it would kill the surface bacteria that aids decomp--however, the bleach changes the skin pigment--the body being dumped at the gun range seems to indicate a type of taunt to police--could he be saying "since you couldn't punish this person, i did"?.....one person tied to this case in an outside way has a beef with at least one or two of the vics, as well as the police--body dump=two birds, one stone..?
    Temperature and humidity are the two most significant variables in the timing of decomposition. Additionally, water's postmortem effect can differ greatly depending upon temperature, salinity (decay progresses at a faster pace in freshwater than saltwater), the depth of the body in the water, and the body's relative location to land. A rainfall outlet canal in south Louisiana during most months of the year is teeming with aquatic and terrestrial insects. Alligators and even bull sharks can be found in these canals. It's not at all unusual to read that the body of a missing person located only 2-3 days later is unrecognizable and in a state of advanced decay.

    http://www.bio-ops.net/WEBSITE%20DOC...NHILIGHTED.pdf

    Putrefaction refers to the decomposition of the body because of bacteria and fermentation. Although this process can take longer in water-submerged victims, these individuals may remain concealed longer when they become hidden in water or vegetation or lost in a large body of water; this results in correspondingly advanced postmortem changes before recovery. No time schedule for the stages of decomposition exists as differing water and climatic conditions will have a profound effect. Generally, cold and swiftly moving water preserves bodies, whereas heavy clothing and stagnant, warm water hasten decomposition.
    http://www2.fbi.gov/publications/leb...feb2006leb.htm

    While placement in water affected the rate of decomposition, placement in freshwater made the specimens decompose much faster than those on the surface of the ground or placed in saltwater, at least in the summer environment of central Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bessie View Post
    Go ahead and open the threads if you want. Let me know if you need any help. I've bookmarked a ton of information over the years, so I might be able to fill in some blanks for you.
    Thanks Bessie. Perhaps we could all take one victim. I'll start with Loretta Lynn Chaisson Lewis. Any help I can get is MUCH appreciated because I am working on a smartphone which is very limiting. TIA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiceforever View Post
    Thanks Bessie. Perhaps we could all take one victim. I'll start with Loretta Lynn Chaisson Lewis. Any help I can get is MUCH appreciated because I am working on a smartphone which is very limiting. TIA
    Okay, so I'm taking Ernestine Patterson. Let's get to work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriminalMinds View Post
    me thinks we need to set up an individual thread/timeline for each victim, like in the other case--makes it easier to keep thoughs/info organized, and be able to add to it or alter what we "know" while discussing...thoughts on that JF/MK, hexe, ktgirl, and others??
    Awesome idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiceforever View Post
    Help me understand why she may be connected. I am working on Muggy's thread and my brain is fried right now (info. overload). If you can explain before I can figure it out. I would love if we (you or I) could post it on her thread. TIA
    610 Andrews St is the alleged drug house associated with all the victims, as well as Teresa Gary and Frankie Richard. Now, Brown is certainly a common enough name, but...what are the odds Sherill Brown and Muggy Brown aren't related, but just happen to share the same name and are each assoiciated with the same house on Andrews St?

    Also...someone asked earlier about the LE officer who found Muggy Brown. I have heard that it was Mike Janise, but have absolutely no way to confirm the truth of that. Take it with a bucket of salt.
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    Question, Has any one noticed that the African American girls had their throats slit? Is that a factual statement? If so, that is a HUGE clue to the race and mentality of the killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugzter View Post
    Question, Has any one noticed that the African American girls had their throats slit? Is that a factual statement? If so, that is a HUGE clue to the race and mentality of the killer.
    It's factual that the 2 black victims had their throats slit, yes. It's never been reported that any of the other victims had their throats slit, although, there hasn't been any official cod listed for any of the other victims except for Necole Guillory, I believe.

    Read through the "Victims" thread when you get a chance. It's a pretty quick read, and should catch you up on the basics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nugzter View Post
    Question, Has any one noticed that the African American girls had their throats slit? Is that a factual statement? If so, that is a HUGE clue to the race and mentality of the killer.
    yes, yes, and YES

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    http://www.kplctv.com/global/video/f...o&rnd=74195593

    According to this, Crystal Benoit Zeno, Bittney Gary, and Necole Guillory all died from some sort of asphyxiation. These were the last 3 victims found.

    Ernestine Daniels Patterson (vic #2) and Laconia "Muggy" Brown (vic # 5) were the only two african-american victims, both had their throats slit, and both had ties to Lawrence Nixon.

    The body of Loretta Chaisson Lewis (vic # 1) was too decomposed to determine cause of death. Same goes for Kristin Gary Lopez (vic # 3) and Whitney Dubois (vic # 4). Loretta was only dead a maximum of 3 days, and Whitnei a maximum of 2 days, yet both bodies were so decomposed a cause of death couldn't be determine?! Even though Whitnei was found not in water, but on an isolated road?! Cmon.

    It's interesting that Kristin's mother recounts that Kristin was called in for questioning when Loretta Lewis was found. It's also interesting that Frankie Richard was questioned in the deaths of Loretta, Kristin and Whitnei.

    But anyway...considering the above, is it not somewhat reasonable to consider that we're not looking at one killer here, but possibly 2 (or even or 3?)
    Last edited by Mountain_Kat; 01-07-2013 at 01:41 PM.
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    Decided to take a look at the murders by year and date.

    2005
    May 17, 2005 (Tues) Loretta Lewis last seen.
    May 20, 2005 (Fri.) Loretta Lewis' body found in canal.
    June 16, 2005 (Thurs.) Ernestine Patterson last seen
    June 18, 2005 (Sat.) Ernestine Patterson's body found in canal
    * Note: both murders occurred within 1 month of each other

    2007
    March 6, 2007 (Tues.) Kristin Gary Lopez last seen
    March 18, 2007 (Sun.) Kristin Gary Lopez' body found in a canal
    May 10, 2007 (Thurs.) Whitnei Dubois last seen
    May 12, 2007 (Sat.) Whitnei Dubois' body discovered in middle of a rural road.
    *Note: The murders of Kristin and Whitnei occurred within 2 months of one another. Almost 2 years went by between the last murder on 2005 and the first murder on 2007.

    2008
    May 27, 2008 (Tues. evening) Laconia "Muggy" Brown last seen by grandmother.
    May 28, 2008 (Weds. 2:00 am) Muggy Brown's body is discovered by a police officer on a
    rural road near a police shooting range.
    August 29, 2008 (Fri.) Crystal Benoit Zeno last seen.
    Sept. 11, 2008 (Thurs. approx. 3pm) Crystal Zeno's body discovered by hunters in
    a dry irrigation canal off Lacour Rd.
    Nov. 2, 2008 (Sun. @5:30pm) Brittney Gary last seen on surv. cam at Family Dollar
    Nov. 15, 2008 (Sat. @ approx. 12:30 pm) Brittney Gary's body discovered by member of
    family search party on the side of Keystone Rd.
    *Note: All 3 murders occured within 5 months of each other. Roughly 1 year passed between the last murder in 2007, and the first murder in 2008. Of all 7 victims at this point, Brittney Gary was the only murder to occur in the Fall.

    2009
    August 16, 2009 (Sun.) Necole Guillory last seen
    August 19, 2009 (Weds. approximately 1:30 pm) Guillory's mother files missing report
    August 19, 2009 (Weds. approximately 2:30 pm) Necole Guillory's body found
    *Note: Necole is the only known victim in 2009. Her murder occurred approx. 9 months after the last murder in 2008.

    For those who entertain the serial killer theory, it's interesting to note that the 2005 murders occurred in a 1 month period. No known murders in 2006. The 2007 murders occurred over a period of 2 months, and the 2008 murders occurred over a period of roughly 6 months. So you could argue that there's an escalation pattern after a period of dormancy. Don't know that I'd argue that, but you could. It might be interesting to look at similar murders in nearby states between Nov. 2008 and August 2009.

    Not sure how illuminating this info is, but it helps me to see it laid out, so there ya go.
    Last edited by Mountain_Kat; 01-18-2013 at 05:13 AM.
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