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    I have not followed this case for a long long time. But while reading all of the current and past posts here, it occurred to me that if you have common sense, you will realize Mechele us guilty. The one clue that stands out like a smoking gun is the fact that Mechele never intended to marry Kent. Even Mechele supporters admit to that. So why did she buy him a life insurance policy?


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    Quote Originally Posted by flourish View Post
    Hi! Always great to see someone post on this thread who isn't me

    From what I understand, the DA is required to take Murder 1 cases to a GJ, so I don't think it's actually possible for the DA to get an indictment without a GJ.

    Can you expand a bit on why you don't think a GJ would reindict?

    While the thought that a reindictment would occur appears to be amusing to you, from what I understand, Mechele and her family aren't at all amused, nor do they feel "secure" with Mechele's current status.

    It's frustrating for everyone interested in this case that the DA stated many weeks ago that there would be an announcement/decision regarding whether or not they intend to seek a re-indictment, and then nothing nada no more info whatsoever.

    Mechele's family and/or friends have indicated, on this board and the Free Mechele public facebook group page, that the DA doesn't have the legal ability to "leave this hanging" over her head forever, as it violates, or will at some point violate, Mechele's civil rights.

    However, as has been explained, both here and there, there's no statue of limitations on murder, her current legal status is what it was prior to the original indictment, so they can actually take all the time in the world to make their decision.

    It appears there's an issue with John Carlin IV, as he has a pending lawsuit against the State of Alaska regarding his father's prison murder, and he is not cooperating with the DA. I don't know the legalities involved in legally forcing him to testify, or if they can just use his testimony from the first trial or from depositions or something? IIRC, someone once indicated that he's essentially "untouchable" because he's suing the state, but I really don't understand how his lawsuit makes him invulnerable to prosecution or legal actions against him. Although, he wouldn't likely even be a great witness at this point, because I think it would be possible that his anger and resentment at the state could impact his truthfulness on the stand. Pretty sad when, IMO, his father's death resulted from a relationship with Mechele. If it were me, I'd likely be as angry with Mechele as I'd be with the state, particularly if there's any veracity to the alleged accusations Carlin IV made against Mechele, which were discussed in the Rosen book.

    In any case, I don't expect to see a re-indictment--not because I don't think the state has a case--I do, but more because of the lack of cooperating witnesses, the inability to use Carlin III's conviction, and the tossing out of Kent's letter (which I absolutely disagree with--a person shouldn't be able to guarantee they'll never be able to face their accuser by murdering them--it seems like a weird paradox to me).

    Additionally, it's my opinion that Mechele is not likely to re-offend as in arrange to have someone else killed. I do think she's dangerous to her family and those who come in contact with her, though, as she appears extremely manipulative, volatile, self-absorbed, selfish, mean, and generally not a "good person." However, none of those things are, or should be, illegal or necessarily indicators of her guilt or innocence...IMO, that is just her and how she is.

    As I mentioned before, I now consider this case a loss for justice, but will continue to follow it and report any news here.
    What about a civil case against Mechele from Kent's family and or loved ones? I would like to see her be criminally prosecuted, but a civil case might not have as stringent guidelines for what is admissible and what isn't. It would do my heart good to see his loved ones get a huge judgment against her and she would have to give 2 out of every 3 dollars she earns to a fund or cause of their choice for the rest of her life. what do you think?


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    Hi Homehearties! I feel so lucky getting two other posters to post here just this week! I get kinda lonely over here...


    I've also wondered about a wrongful death suit. I don't know if the Leppinks ever pursued that, or considered pursuing that. From what I understand, (and I'm not a lawyer), where a criminal case must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, a civil case is "more likely than not" kinda thing...don't quote me, but that's what I recall hearing.

    My concern is that the statute of limitations for wrongful death may have passed. Unfortunately, too, Mr. and Mrs. Leppink's health isn't that great, from what I understand, and all this and delaying has to be difficult for them and the stress can't be good for their aging/ailing bodies. Those poor parents...I hope they've not read or caught wind of some of the horrible nasty things Mechele's supporters have said about Kent.

    I, too, would love to see Mechele pay for her [alleged] crime. I suppose one small comfort is that she did spend ~2.5 years in prison, so she did serve some time. It has never appeared to me that she feels remorseful as she claims to be innocent so why should she be remorseful--so even though she spent that time in prison, I suspect her claimed innocence along with the overturning of the conviction has just fed into her (IMO) preexisting entitlement issues and self-absorbed, haughty attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homehearties View Post
    I have not followed this case for a long long time. But while reading all of the current and past posts here, it occurred to me that if you have common sense, you will realize Mechele us guilty. The one clue that stands out like a smoking gun is the fact that Mechele never intended to marry Kent. Even Mechele supporters admit to that. So why did she buy him a life insurance policy?
    Well, unfortunately, as anyone who watched that horrid trial in Florida last year has seen, common sense is not common. In fact, I've come to refer to it as a "super-power" because it seems so rare these days. The jury in that trial apparently had not one ounce of common sense combined. It's as though some folks have decided that unless a crime is videotaped in broad daylight, with a "locked," unchangeable time-stamp and at least 30 independent witnesses to the entire act, then a case can't be proven.

    The answer Mechele's supporters have offered as far as the life insurance policy is that her and Kent weren't going to get married, but were going to go into business together with Kent's fishing boat, and since fishing boat folks have a higher rate of death or something than other occupations, it was just "common sense" (heh) that they get policies on each other.

    However, that indicates that Mechele was fine with Kent as a business partner, which doesn't mesh with her supporters' claims that he was essentially stalking her so badly that she had to get an illegal passport in order to travel without him following her. Yeah, that makes sense NOT. The illegal passport business is, to me, super sketchy, and, according to Rosen's book (take with big cellar of salt), she had illegal identification long before she even arrived in Alaska--she allegedly stole her sister's id and had other identification papers made from that back in New Jersey.

    So, yeah, it's pretty obvious to me that her manipulative lying ways were going on long before this incident. I mean, I don't have a clue where to get false identification and passports and I don't know anyone who does...yet she supposedly just innocently had a passport in the name of Sally Wong, IIRC, in order to avoid Kent.

    As far as I'm concerned, no matter how her supporters try to spin it, there are some glaring issues that I just don't see working in her favor--the passports, the issue of her taking Kent's laptop after his murder, and shipping it her sister and asking her sister to wipe it out...

    I wasn't dropped off a turnip truck yesterday, and it sounds like you weren't, either, Homehearties!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flourish View Post
    Well, unfortunately, as anyone who watched that horrid trial in Florida last year has seen, common sense is not common. In fact, I've come to refer to it as a "super-power" because it seems so rare these days. The jury in that trial apparently had not one ounce of common sense combined. It's as though some folks have decided that unless a crime is videotaped in broad daylight, with a "locked," unchangeable time-stamp and at least 30 independent witnesses to the entire act, then a case can't be proven.
    This is so true! What is going on with people? On the one hand I think that the prosecutor HAS to make it clear that common sense must play a factor in determining a verdict. The prosecutor has to figure out different ways to explain this because not all jurors will understand.
    In poor Caylee's case, the defense attorney (IMO) did a great job of raising doubt. And the prosecutor did not do enough to combat this manipulation by the defense. And the jury did not understand how to determine a verdict. The justice system did NOT work and if people continue to reward criminals on how good they can lie and manipulate, our justice system is going to break down. I think there are a lot of factors at play here. A LOT. Especially our culture is changing, right and wrong are blurring.
    Well I kind of just went off on a tangent there!
    On the OTHER hand people have to stop rewarding manipulators! It is almost like people think it is a GOOD thing to be such a great manipulator, liar. An attribute.
    Its sad and frustrating and that is why I can't spend too much time thinking about these cases because I think I might go into a depression!
    This case may be dead in the water, and Mechele may never be brought to justice. And I totally feel for Kent's family. He has been portrayed as a gay stalker social outcast and it's just wrong. I don't know Kent or what kind of guy he was, but he didn't deserve to die and he didn't deserve to have his reputation dragged through the mud and his parents don't deserve the hell they inherited and Mechele will never get it, she will never care, she has no regard for what she has caused. Just like OJ, Casey and many others I hope Kent's parents have a strong support system, I hope so.


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    Does anyone know what is going on with the indictment? I see that in March the prosecutor said they would reach a decision soon if they were going to re-indict. The court website says the case is closed, however I am not sure if since they threw out the original conviction/indictment if they would have to open a "new" case, or if it would still be the same case number. I am amazed at how this case has gone. I actually live in Alaska and I just heard about this case, which is crazy since I'm a HUGE crime buff


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    Quote Originally Posted by rowdygirl99 View Post
    Does anyone know what is going on with the indictment? I see that in March the prosecutor said they would reach a decision soon if they were going to re-indict. The court website says the case is closed, however I am not sure if since they threw out the original conviction/indictment if they would have to open a "new" case, or if it would still be the same case number. I am amazed at how this case has gone. I actually live in Alaska and I just heard about this case, which is crazy since I'm a HUGE crime buff
    Hi rowdygirl99 I'm glad you posted!
    So far no new news on whether or not they are going to seek a reindictment or not...the last couple of pages of this thread have all the recent information that's available, which isn't much at all.

    There's also a public facebook group page under the name "Free Mechele," where her relatives/supporters sometimes post about the case...they update pretty much the same stuff as I (we) do here, but sometimes that page includes amusing or otherwise interesting comments and posts...there's a whole rant on there about how Mechele is a victim of a misogynistic society/system, which is sort of ironic seeing how Mechele appeared to have taken full advantage of a set of the population who, it could be argued, are particularly misogynistic...so basically, she made her ["tuition"] money exploiting a people and mind-set which is now accused of taking advantage of her.

    I suppose life is all just a matter of perspective.

    And back to our regularly scheduled endless

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    I can't believe it, but they have decided not to seek new charges against Mechele Linehan.
    http://www.adn.com/2012/08/06/257539...k-retrial.html


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    [shrug]As expected.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rowdygirl99 View Post
    I can't believe it, but they have decided not to seek new charges against Mechele Linehan.
    http://www.adn.com/2012/08/06/257539...k-retrial.html
    she 'exhausted' the system

    but karma will get her


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    Well, there you have it.
    After the debacle in Florida, no case outcome will ever again surprise me.

    Quote from the adn article (http://www.adn.com/2012/08/06/257539...k-retrial.html):

    They [prosecutors] ultimately decided the answer was no, Miovas said.
    "We just don't feel like we have sufficient evidence to prove our case beyond a reasonable doubt," he said.
    Another factor, he said, was that some witnesses who were key to the case are now deceased or otherwise unavailable, he said.
    Mechele hasn't been acquitted, or exonerated, so like it or not, fair or not, legally or morally correct or not, this will always be there, shadowing her.

    Remember when her husband wrote a big thing on her blog about how he wished everyone could see the existing evidence that leaves not a shadow of a doubt as to her innocence? This oft-alluded to evidence surely can be released now, right? Yeah, I'll be holding my breath on that *insert eye roll here* Yes, yes, "Mechele's enemies will still use it against her (how, I don't know)," or "since there's no statute of limitation on murder, and the prosecution's announcement isn't legally binding, we have to keep all this evidence secret forever just in case," or "Mechele doesn't have to prove anything to anyone" ----I'm sure there's a myriad of reasons/excuses as to why this alleged mind-blowing evidence will never see the light of public day.

    There are some lessons to be learned with this case. If you think someone is possibly plotting to kill you, but you can't help yourself and still interact with them anyway because certainly you're just being paranoid, writing a letter about it won't help you, because by murdering you, your murderer loses their right to "confront" you about your letter, trumping your rights not to be murdered. So have a film crew as well as a notary present at all times so if you do get murdered, maybe the jury will convict your murderer...seems like anything less isn't gonna cut it anymore.

    It's my opinion that Mechele Linehan is a dangerous woman. I don't think she's a risk to plot a murder, but she appears to be an incredibly vain, self-absorbed, manipulative woman whose moral compass is skewed and whose development was arrested long ago. I don't think she'd physically harm someone, but emotionally...mentally...that's an entirely different story. It's also my opinion that she likely feels vindicated, because guilty or not, she doesn't appear to believe she did anything wrong, except accept some gifts.

    There's been numerous comments online from people purporting to have been in prison with Mechele, and the general consensus seemed to be that she indeed is the proverbial scorpion in the fable--in prison she allegedly caused the same kind of trouble and situations that landed her there in the first place, only on a different scale. I suspect she just adjusts her tactics to suit her surrounding, and keeps on going.

    The youngest Carlin--- *sigh* --- what a messed-up situation he was placed in. I'm disappointed in him for not cooperating with the state regardless of how it would or would not impact his pending lawsuit against the state. I don't know all the ins and outs, but he does, and he's going to have to live with himself the rest of his life.

    All the parties are going to have to live with themselves the rest of their lives. For those with stable consciences, that may prove challenging. Sad all around.

    LadyL, I certainly hope you're right.

    Finally, I wonder what some of her most outspoken and active supporters are going to do with their time now? I wonder if Mechele will still interact with the people who got involved in her cause without knowing her previously? Will she thank them profusely and remain life-long friends? Or will she give them the royall blow-off quicker than the turtle beat the hare? Not that it's any of my business or matters...just thinking.

    Well,

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    Rest in peace, TT. there isnt always justice in this world unfortunately.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2goldfish View Post
    Rest in peace, TT. there isnt always justice in this world unfortunately.
    Yet I hear it said over and over that we have the best justice system
    Little Caylee Marie, must not be an "Anthony", since "the Anthony's always win". So sorry, Caylee.


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    Well, I guess I'm not surprised by this news but I am disappointed with this decision.

    Flourish - I left this thread a while ago - just had to take a break....I guess I just got tired of reading about MEchele. That woman annoys me to no end. But thanks for continually updating this thread.....


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    Is Mechele still married to her husband? Any updates to what she is doing? I haven't thought of her for so long, but then the plane crash in Alaska yesterday made me think of her.


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