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    IMO, Rick wasn't defending the "family". He was defending Caylee and sticking up for her. Which was the root of his frustration with Cindy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    Poor choice of words is putting it lightly. I think I better go read it again, because they didn't just gloss over it and move on. They out and out lied to her.

    Or I wonder if at the the time of this interveiw Rick hadn't been yapping all over everywhere yet? Maybe LE actually didn;t know how much he was saying on the internet.
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    ETAokay this interview was 8/21 (not sure what the date in the title is about?) That is exactly the time Rick was airing all the laundry at Topix. He was tlaking before 8/20/08.so LE knew what he was saying. Just makes this a bizzarre exchange imo.
    I was under the impression they knew about him talking online because she kept talking about him saying things "On that blog" and that she wished she could get on there too so she could read for herself what he wrote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thcents View Post
    45,000 is alot of money somehow I think that CA would have noticed that.
    Oh, I'm sure she did.. and then excused it just like every other time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    IMO, Rick wasn't defending the "family". He was defending Caylee and sticking up for her. Which was the root of his frustration with Cindy.
    I am referring to where LE tells SP point blank that Rick is defending KC and CA on the blogs and he is not saying anything mean about them at all. They told her that Rick was defending KC to people on blogs that were writing really nasty things about her. Did he do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    I am referring to where LE tells SP point blank that Rick is defending KC and CA on the blogs and he is not saying anything mean about them at all. They told her that Rick was defending KC to people on blogs that were writing really nasty things about her. Did he do that?
    Yes, he was on some blog answering ?s. Wasn't a big deal, he didn't get ugly and as far as LE saying anythang, I feel like they were just letting the poor ole g-mom gain back something with her son.

    She is probably torn between her son and daughter. She wants to be there for CA and LE just seemed to be trying to ease her over that hump. Did this come out right? LOL

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    It would be the same if LE stopped at a wreck with an old woman walkin around trying to find out how the hel_ this can be happening. They don't walk up and say------hey ur kids are bloody---all over the road-----they walk her over to a chair and tell her e-thang gonna be ok. He was just tryin to be nice.

    OK! I'll just read now. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAMABEAR View Post
    It would be the same if LE stopped at a wreck with an old woman walkin around trying to find out how the hel_ this can be happening. They don't walk up and say------hey ur kids are bloody---all over the road-----they walk her over to a chair and tell her e-thang gonna be ok. He was just tryin to be nice.

    OK! I'll just read now. LOL

    i love the analogy and i think you're on the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAMABEAR View Post
    It would be the same if LE stopped at a wreck with an old woman walkin around trying to find out how the hel_ this can be happening. They don't walk up and say------hey ur kids are bloody---all over the road-----they walk her over to a chair and tell her e-thang gonna be ok. He was just tryin to be nice.

    OK! I'll just read now. LOL
    LOL, interesting analogy, but I think he would have just said, it wasn't so bad and left it at that. But he went on to say more.
    Using your analogy, it's like that same officer saying your child is dead but she is resting peacefully in the road without a scratch on her and she looks peaceful and happy. He could just say I am sorry ma'am your child is dead.

    I don't think this is a big deal, I just find it curious that he would go so far as to say Rick was defending KC and CA, because he wasn't,imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    I am referring to where LE tells SP point blank that Rick is defending KC and CA on the blogs and he is not saying anything mean about them at all. They told her that Rick was defending KC to people on blogs that were writing really nasty things about her. Did he do that?
    I'm confused about this, too...particularly the time frame. LE knew that he was not defending the Ant's but I'm not sure what info they had at the time they interviewed Shirley. IIRC, when Rick was blogging he called Cindy stupid, posted about Casey being a thief and revealed intimate details of the family dysfunction. Isn't that what led to the very nasty email exchanges between Cindy & Rick? It didn't look like he was defending anyone, except "in a backwards sort of way", Caylee and his mom and dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    LOL, interesting analogy, but I think he would have just said, it wasn't so bad and left it at that. But he went on to say more.
    Using your analogy, it's like that same officer saying your child is dead but she is resting peacefully in the road without a scratch on her and she looks peaceful and happy. He could just say I am sorry ma'am your child is dead.

    I don't think this is a big deal, I just find it curious that he would go so far as to say Rick was defending KC and CA, because he wasn't,imo.
    While I was reading this part I kept thinking "maybe this was before Rick let loose about the family" I thought maybe I missed Rick initially defending them. Pretty much everything I read was Rick setting the record straight and it was ANYTHING but defending anyone. This had/has me baffled as well. They weren't sugar coating, IMO they out and out lied to SP. This poor woman is probably so confused. I bet she learned how to log on to Topix by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MD MOMMY View Post
    While I was reading this part I kept thinking "maybe this was before Rick let loose about the family" I thought maybe I missed Rick initially defending them. Pretty much everything I read was Rick setting the record straight and it was ANYTHING but defending anyone. This had/has me baffled as well. They weren't sugar coating, IMO they out and out lied to SP. This poor woman is probably so confused. I bet she learned how to log on to Topix by now.
    Only if her electricity is working and that darn cat has come out of hiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilly Willy View Post
    Only if her electricity is working and that darn cat has come out of hiding.
    people are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilly Willy View Post
    I believe the story about Casey getting the information from a birthday check came from Cindy's brother Rick. He probably confused the story - it was a check stolen on Caylee's birthday, not a gift for Casey.
    My first thought was that maybe there was more than one incident--maybe both stories are true. Maybe Casey once used a tracking number on a birthday check to steal money, and also lifted a check out of grandma's wallet while poor Shirley was there for Caylee's party.

    I mean, with someone like Casey, there are so many deceptions that it's hard to count them sometimes.

    Also, when people steal the way Casey did, sometimes it takes a while for all their little tricks to come to light. That's how thieves operate. They always seem to take the "lag time" into account... they count on being far away by the time their deception is uncovered. I bet there are still more thefts or other deceptions that haven't even come to light yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggg View Post
    Oh, come on...SP's chance? I respectfuly disagree that she can make a difference.

    If the prosecution has to put a frail, easily confused, (not to mention hard of hearing) elderly woman on the stand to help their case, then they don't have much of one to begin with. I believe that's not the case, and that they can, and will successfully convict KC without any help from SP.

    I can assure you that someone that has lived as long as SP has, knows a little something about life's "messy's". She lived through the Great Depression, afterall. She no doubt has experienced the lack of a lollipop or two.

    Prayers up for SP.
    I apologize that I seemed harsh in my explanations. I know if my grandmother were still alive and had to deal with this, it would probably kill her.
    I was only trying to make the point that sp is a breath of fresh air and reason. Although she is old, and has some hearing issues. She does, pretty much, "have it going on" for her age. She also has daily emails of events of the days to/from her sister, which could be vital to this case if sp can't recall a certain time or amount of things of that nature. Her character seems hearfelt and true. She tells it like it is. She does not buy what KC is selling. And to me that would not hurt the states case. Help, it may.
    Also, I'm a FL native. Retired folks are a plenty there. When the jury poole is picked I can only assume (and we all know what that entails) they will have plenty of retiree's to poole from. I could be wrong though. They can also relate to her (sp.)

    Again. No offense intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAMABEAR View Post
    It would be the same if LE stopped at a wreck with an old woman walkin around trying to find out how the hel_ this can be happening. They don't walk up and say------hey ur kids are bloody---all over the road-----they walk her over to a chair and tell her e-thang gonna be ok. He was just tryin to be nice.

    OK! I'll just read now. LOL
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    I agree with the poster who said Shirley was a breath of fresh air. Finally someone who is on Caylee's side! I feel so bad for her, she already had enough going on just trying to take care of her husband and then woke up in this nightmare. I hope she can know that there are many people out here who do care about her and have sympathy.

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    So, Shirley says that George took out a credit card in Cindy's name and ran up a large debt the same as Casey did. I hope Cindy is looking and checking around to make sure some of the money isn't in hiding. Poor Shirley to have to know these sordid details later in life much less live through the murder of a little great grandchild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dev View Post
    My first thought was that maybe there was more than one incident--maybe both stories are true. Maybe Casey once used a tracking number on a birthday check to steal money, and also lifted a check out of grandma's wallet while poor Shirley was there for Caylee's party.

    I mean, with someone like Casey, there are so many deceptions that it's hard to count them sometimes.

    Also, when people steal the way Casey did, sometimes it takes a while for all their little tricks to come to light. That's how thieves operate. They always seem to take the "lag time" into account... they count on being far away by the time their deception is uncovered. I bet there are still more thefts or other deceptions that haven't even come to light yet.
    I doubt it, she is not a good criminal. She is a lousy liar, can't even cover them half-way decently. Look at those "work emails" (fake) or how about signing her own name to one of Amy's checks? so many stupid little mistakes add up.. she isn't very bright, she'd have been caught long before now) She could be on that stupid criminals show they have on TruTV. IMO the only reason she got away with this so long is because her parents believed her crap for so long. "I'll bring her over tomorrow so you can see her, mom".. and Cindy would wait and wait. Next day, same thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    So, Shirley says that George took out a credit card in Cindy's name and ran up a large debt the same as Casey did. I hope Cindy is looking and checking around to make sure some of the money isn't in hiding. Poor Shirley to have to know these sordid details later in life much less live through the murder of a little great grandchild.
    If my husband ever took my name and my social security number and took out a credit card in my name, without my knowledge?! uhhm Well, I won't go there.

    It sounds as if "poor Shirley" knows these sordid details because her daughter shared them with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    I am referring to where LE tells SP point blank that Rick is defending KC and CA on the blogs and he is not saying anything mean about them at all. They told her that Rick was defending KC to people on blogs that were writing really nasty things about her. Did he do that?
    I know what you are talking about and I agree. I'm just merely stating what I think Rick was doing when he was posting online. I have no idea why LE stated what they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dev View Post
    My first thought was that maybe there was more than one incident--maybe both stories are true. Maybe Casey once used a tracking number on a birthday check to steal money, and also lifted a check out of grandma's wallet while poor Shirley was there for Caylee's party.

    I mean, with someone like Casey, there are so many deceptions that it's hard to count them sometimes.

    Also, when people steal the way Casey did, sometimes it takes a while for all their little tricks to come to light. That's how thieves operate. They always seem to take the "lag time" into account... they count on being far away by the time their deception is uncovered. I bet there are still more thefts or other deceptions that haven't even come to light yet.
    From my understanding of the docs it is 2 different checks.. the one for Caylee's birthday and then the recent one where she bought the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneLostGrl View Post
    If my husband ever took my name and my social security number and took out a credit card in my name, without my knowledge?! uhhm Well, I won't go there.

    It sounds as if "poor Shirley" knows these sordid details because her daughter shared them with her.
    You have a point there----------since she probably heard it from CA then is it even true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteangora View Post
    The Nigerian scam never sat well with me. George did not want to admit he had a gambling problem, that would have made him look weak and addicted. He preferred to be a poor victim albeit of his own stupidity.
    Also, the $45,000...... what on earth did that girl buy? That's the doc dump I want to see.
    I would think it would be more embarassing for an ex-LE to admit falling for a scam than to have a gambling problem. Maybe it was a little of both?

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    One thang about GA being the daddy. Since there was a test for LA then it would also tell if there were a chance that GA was involved. Then there would be more testing. We don't know if there were a test for GA or not.

    The reason they had the test in the first place was because she told different peeps that she had been molested by LA.

    LE sure has a hard job, figuring all this crap out. I think they have done a great job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    So, Shirley says that George took out a credit card in Cindy's name and ran up a large debt the same as Casey did. I hope Cindy is looking and checking around to make sure some of the money isn't in hiding. Poor Shirley to have to know these sordid details later in life much less live through the murder of a little great grandchild.
    wives open account in thier husbands name all the time or at least it used to be that way " joint accounts". Not so odd really but hiding it is bad.

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