and remembered reading that Thomas Gregory Demyon was missing his front teeth.
Ack, I hadn't realized that Benjaman had teeth missing when found! Not sure how I missed that info before. When I looked at Thomas Demyon at charleyproject I read about the partial plate and would have dismissed him in my mind due to that.
I would think it would have been farily easy for a dentist to tell if Benjaman's lost teeth were a recent occurance or older. Older would certainly have healed gums.
As far as his face: Studied the nose alot and it doesn't seem that the nasal opening goes as far back (from tip of nose to cheek area) as BK's does in a side shot. I wish Demyon didn't have that hat on.
BEFORE YOU POST A MISSING PERSON FOR DISCUSSION, PLEASE READ THE NEW STICKY THREAD "READ HERE FIRST/DISCUSSION FROM THE 50-60 YR OLD THREADS 1,2,3" ON THE FRONT PAGE OF BENJAMAN KYLE THREADS.
I WILL BE ADDING THE NOW CLOSED THREAD 4 TO THE LIST SOON.
link to the new sticky thread:
I am not sure who to ask, but in the start of each of these new threads, is it possible for someone to post the basics? (ie: date the person "might" have been missing, characteristics, etc...) Just a rundown of where we're aiming?
(I am asking more because after viewing many threads, it's hard to keep the "certains" in order, from each case.)
Thank you all!
I didn't want to congest the thread with particulars on each case. Each one of these have already been discussed, but seems there are some still open for more discussion. If you do start a discussion on a missing person from the new sticky thread, please put the links from the old discussion into new discussion on this thread. Am I making sense?
Just in case I am not, I will post a discussion shortly in here for you to see.
William Wright North:
brown hair, black eyes
160 lbs, 5'10" tall
thread 1, post #7 from:
see also post 30:
thread 2, #286:
(this is a example and not a complete list of the posts that are on 1,2,and 3)
It is hard to find alot of them by names, but if you search for them by the numbers posted on the board, for instance above on Williams, A200300485, this number is listed on post #7, thread 1, and are the last numbers in the post. Sometimes these numbers can be a big help.
Now open for discussion.
*If he has been ruled out, please advise with a link, thanks.
for your sticky!!!
Forgive me for asking what may be silly sounding and perhaps already discussed... something struck me as I read dreamweaver's latest post in the theories thread.
Was Benjaman found with his eyes open? I went back to the first discussion thread and see it noted that he was found shortly before 7 a.m. August 31, 2004 (which would have been a Tuesday morning, I believe). According to: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc...&afl=-11&day=1 the sun rose at 6:59 a.m. in Savannah that morning.
Regarding the cataracts and damage to his eyes... this wouldn't have allowed time for the intense amount of damage that he suffered.
what am I missing or misconstruing? Was he there, laying naked beside the dumpster, the entire day before (Monday) and absolutely no one caught a glimpse of him?!! Eyes open or not, I would think an entire day or at least hours of direct, intense sun exposure would have been needed to do damage... but he was found before sunrise. (I'm thinking I've obviously missed or forgotten lengthy discussion on this point.)
This is where I diverge from what has been reported-I believe (just my own opinion) that BK's field of vision was closing or clouded by cataracts before he was injured-I think eyes open in the direct sun would have caused damage to his retina's rather than cataracts to form....even if they were traumatic cataracts. Again, just my opinion as a lay person. Further, when his vision was restored, he thought he had lost 20 years in his appearance.
Beyond that, he was still sweating when he was found-so I don't believe he was in shock or on the verge of sun-stroke.
I would have to believe that there would be frequent trips to the dumpsters during the hours they were open-yet there was a cleaning woman who found him early in the AM lying there. And long enough to be chewed up by fire ants. Ugh.
Thanks for the quick reply Believe. Reading your words helps me remember reading some of the discussion on it before.. .phew... thought I was losing it.. well, maybe I am, lol... but I digress!
Those are interesting points to ponder, the time necessary to do this damage or that, and if could be pinpointed to a bit of accuracy (had better notice of the situation been documented in the first place) would have great impact on ruling out (and in) certain possibilities, I think. Ugh and splat.
Thanks again Believe for helping me not go thru that rollercoaster ride longer than was necessary. :-)
Does anyone have copies of the 7 parts of YouTube videos from the Dr. Phil show? They are no longer available. I emailed EyesForLies and she seemed interested in taking a look at them to see what might be gained. Obviously, we are not looking for lies but subconscious memories. Let me know if you think this is not a good avenue to pursue.
If anyone has saved these or knows where to find them, and thinks it is a good idea, please forward to Eyes at her blog EyesForLies. Thanks.
PS I did forward to her the link to the short news clip from approx. 3 years after he was found.
Regarding the study of BK's speaking pattern, I am curious about something. This might sound stupid but...
It is said that BK's speach pattern seems to the point that he's well educated? Do all of you feel that it's possible that he could be a high school graduate (or non graduate) who grew up in a home with the influence of proper grammar/speaking? (I am sure that many of us have come in contact with a person with virtually no formal education who could speak so well we would have never known?)
Also, the other speech patterns that could indicate where he is from. My mom is from NYC, aside from visiting there, my siblings and I all say things that could be considered "New Yorker" and we lived on the border of Canada, so some of our speach patterns could sound a little "Canadian". Is it possible that some of BK's inflection, tone, etc... could come from his upbringing and his parents, versus actually living in a certain place?
I don't say things well, but does anyone think that BK's memories of Denver are more consequential than the way he speaks? (As far as narrowing anything down?)
Thank you all for doing what you are and mods, if my question is in the wrong place, please move it. (I still get confused about the areas in which I am supposed to post certain things... sorry!)
FWIW, I had another spirited discussion with our BK regarding this issue-he said the doctors who restored his vision said that it was possible to form traumatic cataracts that quickly-as usual, clear as mud lol!!!
BK is very well spoken and learn-ed in the true sense of the word...but...I wonder if he is well-read vs very highly educated, which is not to say that he does not have a degree of some kind. He seems to have a broad knowledge of language, but in an old world sense.
Do you use a "warsh cloth" or eat "ahrenges"? J/K... I've always been rather impressed by the east coast, my "Don" is my "Dawn" and my "Dawn" is my "Don". While I had a "dad" and not a "dahd", I always wondered about the "Queen's English" as far as other people are concerned.
Okay, the long A and the "Queen's English" are off topic, but since I ran out of ideas on the "Powell connection"... linguistics became an issue for me. Just trying to narrow down where I can concentrate.
Thanks for the input!
this might seem really bizarre, has anyone ever thought he could have been originally a "stolen child?", and have no other family other than parents.