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    Baez' "other" murder trial...who and what were results?

    I was watching a YouTube video where Baez was having an impromptu discussion with news people. He stated that he has handled a murder trial before. He said that it involved a child. What murder was it and what was the outcome...do you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by auntbaby View Post
    That does it! Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by affinity View Post
    I was watching a YouTube video where Baez was having an impromptu discussion with news people. He stated that he has handled a murder trial before. He said that it involved a child. What murder was it and what was the outcome...do you know?
    The victim was Noeris Vasquez. The defendant was Nilton Diaz.

    On Feb 11, 2006 ND ran with the child to a next door neighbor's because NV was not breathing...he was alone with the child for only a few minutes when he walked into the room where she was watching TV and found her on the floor. He described her as shaking and stiff. The mother, Samaris Bobe Silva, had just left to go to the store.

    The fact is that ND was in the bathroom shaving and preparing to take a shower when the mother told him that she was going to the store. That was after they left the child in the room where they both said she was fine when they walked out.

    ND was found guilty of Manslaughter 2....he had been charged with Murder 2. He was sentenced to 20 years.

    I have spoken extensively with the family and their reps. Right from the very beginning of this case I was shaking my head. And after reading the files I'm not convinced ND is guilty. I'm just not sure. JB did not do so many things that he should have done during this case in my opinion. It really does amaze me. I will not be surprised if ND gets a new trial on appeal.

    You can get the court docs at Lake County Court Clerk.. I'm not sure where they may be published online. The docs I have were given to me by the family and I'm not sure if I can put them on WS.

    Here's a link to the court records..it's may take a minute to open:

    http://lakecountyclerk.org/online_co...20%20%20%20%20

    What was never brought up was the fact that the mother had been reported to child services in Puerto Rico prior to even knowing ND. The child had been seen with bruises before the mother met ND. The mother admitted to perjury on the stand (after she testified) and immediately went back to PR. Less than 2 weeks after her daughter died the mother was out at clubs partying. She wrote to ND in jail and told him she knew he didn't hurt her daughter.

    IMO....there really does need to be another trial with ALL the facts
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    Quote Originally Posted by dax View Post
    The victim was Noeris Vasquez. The defendant was Nilton Diaz.

    On Feb 11, 2006 ND ran with the child to a next door neighbor's because NV was not breathing...he was alone with the child for only a few minutes when he walked into the room where she was watching TV and found her on the floor. He described her as shaking and stiff. The mother, Samaris Bobe Silva, had just left to go to the store.

    The fact is that ND was in the bathroom shaving and preparing to take a shower when the mother told him that she was going to the store. That was after they left the child in the room where they both said she was fine when they walked out.

    ND was found guilty of Manslaughter 2....he had been charged with Murder 2. He was sentenced to 20 years.

    I have spoken extensively with the family and their reps. Right from the very beginning of this case I was shaking my head. And after reading the files I'm not convinced ND is guilty. I'm just not sure. JB did not do so many things that he should have done during this case in my opinion. It really does amaze me. I will not be surprised if ND gets a new trial on appeal.

    You can get the court docs at Lake County Court Clerk.. I'm not sure where they may be published online. The docs I have were given to me by the family and I'm not sure if I can put them on WS.

    Here's a link to the court records..it's may take a minute to open:

    http://lakecountyclerk.org/online_co...20%20%20%20%20

    What was never brought up was the fact that the mother had been reported to child services in Puerto Rico prior to even knowing ND. The child had been seen with bruises before the mother met ND. The mother admitted to perjury on the stand (after she testified) and immediately went back to PR. Less than 2 weeks after her daughter died the mother was out at clubs partying. She wrote to ND in jail and told him she knew he didn't hurt her daughter.

    IMO....there really does need to be another trial with ALL the facts
    I have read very little on this case, but just the fact that ND received only 15 years for killing a two year old is astonishing. I know he was convicted of Manslaughter, but that sort of time isn't justice !

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    Quote Originally Posted by dax View Post
    Less than 2 weeks after her daughter died the mother was out at clubs partying.
    ~ respectfully snipped ~

    Well, it looks like these two cases have more in common than just JB.

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    ~ respectfully snipped ~

    Well, it looks like these two cases have more in common than just JB.
    Let us pray that one thing they do not have in common is that sentence. Life for Casey Anthony because of the life she took from Caylee Anthony! A life for life!

    ABC provided $200,000.00 to
    Casey Anthonys defense!
    The MURDERED should not be USED to pay for the MURDERERS DEFENSE!

    American Tragedy: The defense of Casey Anthony.

    Juror No. 11 somehow made the journey from Casey is the one on trial to George may be a murderer, based on how George acted on the stand? 3 years of evidence against Casey and he throws George under the bus. Makes sense?
    What evidence indicated that George might be a murderer? Anyone?
    Weren't they to ONLY consider EVIDENCE?
    This NOT GUILTY verdict throws Caylee right back into the swamp she decomposed in. Thanks to this "impartial" jury.

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    Thanks for the information, dax.

    Can someone with a better knowledge of the ins-and-outs of criminal law explain the notations about appointing a public defender for an appeal? I see Baez filed some of the papers for that. Is it likely because Diaz was unable to pay? Did Diaz and Baez part ways for another reason?

    Or does the trial lawyer generally not handle the resulting appeals?

    Now I find myself needing to read the docs for that case. It sure sounds hinky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MomofBoys View Post
    Thanks for the information, dax.

    Can someone with a better knowledge of the ins-and-outs of criminal law explain the notations about appointing a public defender for an appeal? I see Baez filed some of the papers for that. Is it likely because Diaz was unable to pay? Did Diaz and Baez part ways for another reason?

    Or does the trial lawyer generally not handle the resulting appeals?

    Now I find myself needing to read the docs for that case. It sure sounds hinky.
    This info came to me, through an interpreter, from the parents.

    Baez wanted a friend of his, Walsh, to handle the appeal.

    ND and his parents didn't want Baez anymore or anybody associated with him. They decided on a public defender for the appeal because they had mortgaged their home to pay Baez and still owed him money. Once he took on KC he was difficult to reach....not returning calls, canceling appointments, etc.

    The parents didn't like the way Baez was handling their son's case right from the beginning. ND was not kept up to date on what was happening in the case and he was told by JB that he didn't need to be present at the hearings which they believe was a huge mistake. Baez didn't make enough effort, according to them, to take depositions, dig into the mother's history of abuse, or bring up prior injury to the child the night before this all happened.

    After having read the documents and watched the interview with ND and the mother, I question the handling of the case and the jury's decision. I do think ND will get a new trial and I think he deserves it.....jmo


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    I don't know how to put these docs on the internet...if anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dax View Post
    This info came to me, through an interpreter, from the parents.

    Baez wanted a friend of his, Walsh, to handle the appeal.

    ND and his parents didn't want Baez anymore or anybody associated with him. They decided on a public defender for the appeal because they had mortgaged their home to pay Baez and still owed him money. Once he took on KC he was difficult to reach....not returning calls, canceling appointments, etc.

    The parents didn't like the way Baez was handling their son's case right from the beginning. ND was not kept up to date on what was happening in the case and he was told by JB that he didn't need to be present at the hearings which they believe was a huge mistake. Baez didn't make enough effort, according to them, to take depositions, dig into the mother's history of abuse, or bring up prior injury to the child the night before this all happened.

    After having read the documents and watched the interview with ND and the mother, I question the handling of the case and the jury's decision. I do think ND will get a new trial and I think he deserves it.....jmo


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    I don't know how to put these docs on the internet...if anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate it.
    Well, it does seem JB keeps it consistent, doesn't like taking depositions, doesn't like to expend too much effort (at getting his own information), and doesn't like for his clients to be present at pre trial hearings...hummm. No wonder Strickland ordered Casey to attend the hearings. I wonder what Baez did tell his client, as far as his chances at trial. I wonder if he tried to negotiate a plea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Searchfortruth View Post
    Well, it does seem JB keeps it consistent, doesn't like taking depositions, doesn't like to expend too much effort (at getting his own information), and doesn't like for his clients to be present at pre trial hearings...hummm. No wonder Strickland ordered Casey to attend the hearings. I wonder what Baez did tell his client, as far as his chances at trial. I wonder if he tried to negotiate a plea...
    ITA, JB is consistently showing his inexperience on defending people accused of murder. ND was his first and KC his second as far as I know. All of his prior experience is as a DUI lawyer. I would like to know how KC really found him.

    Have no idea if he negotiated for a plea deal for ND, but would really like to know the answer.

    Do you all remember back when KC was released from jail the first time in August 2008 and Jose walked her out under the umbrella? Well, he was supposed to be in court for the sentencing of his client, ND. JB was LATE because he was there with KC instead. If I was the client, I too would be upset with this lawyer that forgot all about his previous commitments once he found his cash cow. I am going to try to link the news story on this (it's towards the bottom of the story in the section CASEY'S ATTORNEY MAY HAVE BOTCHED LEGAL REQUEST). Hope it works, I'm new at this.

    http://www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dear Prudence View Post
    ITA, JB is consistently showing his inexperience on defending people accused of murder. ND was his first and KC his second as far as I know. All of his prior experience is as a DUI lawyer. I would like to know how KC really found him.

    Have no idea if he negotiated for a plea deal for ND, but would really like to know the answer.

    Do you all remember back when KC was released from jail the first time in August 2008 and Jose walked her out under the umbrella? Well, he was supposed to be in court for the sentencing of his client, ND. JB was LATE because he was there with KC instead. If I was the client, I too would be upset with this lawyer that forgot all about his previous commitments once he found his cash cow. I am going to try to link the news story on this (it's towards the bottom of the story in the section CASEY'S ATTORNEY MAY HAVE BOTCHED LEGAL REQUEST). Hope it works, I'm new at this.

    http://www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html
    Thank you for the link, yes it did work ! I remembered this after reading it, and it was just too good to leave out. A portion of the WFTV article is below...thanks again !!!!!

    Eyewitness News also learned that Baez was almost an hour late for the sentencing of his client, Nilton Diaz, in a Lake County child abuse death the day Anthony was released the first time. That same day, Baez shoved a reporter. He also kept the Lake County judge, the victim's family and witnesses waiting. When he arrived, he made no apology.

    Baez also requested a special hearing the day before that, asking for a delay in Diaz's sentencing, telling the judge he expected the media to follow him to Lake County after Anthony's release and that it would be prejudicial to Anthony.

    Lake County Circuit Judge Mark Nacke denied Baez's request for that delay. Baez ended up taking Casey back to her house the day she was released from jail before he headed to Lake County. No reporters followed him to Lake County that day.
    http://www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Searchfortruth View Post
    Thank you for the link, yes it did work ! I remembered this after reading it, and it was just too good to leave out. A portion of the WFTV article is below...thanks again !!!!!

    Eyewitness News also learned that Baez was almost an hour late for the sentencing of his client, Nilton Diaz, in a Lake County child abuse death the day Anthony was released the first time. That same day, Baez shoved a reporter. He also kept the Lake County judge, the victim's family and witnesses waiting. When he arrived, he made no apology.

    Baez also requested a special hearing the day before that, asking for a delay in Diaz's sentencing, telling the judge he expected the media to follow him to Lake County after Anthony's release and that it would be prejudicial to Anthony.

    Lake County Circuit Judge Mark Nacke denied Baez's request for that delay. Baez ended up taking Casey back to her house the day she was released from jail before he headed to Lake County. No reporters followed him to Lake County that day.
    http://www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html
    For Pete's sake! I just had a flashback to the Scott P trial and Mark G's untimely absence. (minus the damsel in distress, of course)

    I do hope for this trial, JB is a little more professional.
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    I'm glad the link worked.

    I think it's shameful he was late to this guy's sentencing and didn't even apologize to the court. He didn't have to be there to escort KC out of jail, and yet he thought it was a perfectly reasonable excuse for being late to ND being sentenced. Unbelievable. He is as clueless as KC about how his actions affect others.

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