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    Plane crash, Butte, Montana-Up to 17 dead

    Below is the latest article I found. There were around 12 kids on board:

    http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1720481.html

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    A plane that left Oroville, a small town about 90 miles north of Sacramento, this morning crashed in Montana three hours later, killing up to 17 people, a Federal Aviation Administration spokesman said.
    "The plane was in route from Oroville to Bozeman for reasons we don't know," said FAA spokesman Les Dorr. "They diverted into Butte and crashed 500 feet short of the runway."
    Tom Hagler, a mechanic at the Oroville airport, said this evening that he arrived at the airport at 11 a.m. and saw the plane. He let about a dozen children who were on the plane use the airport bathroom. The plane didn't refuel.
    Hagler said he spoke briefly with the pilot but he didn't recognize the pilot or any of the children. He didn't know if any members of the group were local.
    Hagler said he would be surprised if as many as 17 people could have been on the single prop plane. (more at link)

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    Forum chatters at Airliners.net state the plane capacity is 9 pax maximum.

    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/4359084/
    Last edited by SuziQ; 03-22-2009 at 09:22 PM. Reason: typo

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    Either the plane reported is incorrect or the number of Pax incorrect, or there is a big problem:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilatus_PC-12


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    Crew: one or two pilots
    • Capacity: 9 passengers standard, 6-8 executive

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    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

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    In California, Tom Hagler said he saw a group of about a dozen children and four adults Sunday morning at the Oroville Municipal Airport, about 70 miles north of Sacramento.
    Hagler, owner of Table Mountain Aviation, described the children as ranging from about 6- to 10 year olds. He let the children into his building to use the restroom.
    "There were a lot of kids in the group," he said. "A lot of really cute kids."
    Hagler said he showed the pilot where he could fill up on fuel, and the pilot said he expected his flight to take two-and-a-half hours. The pilot didn't file a flight plan at the Oroville airport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adnoid View Post
    No way a PC-12 (a really nice plane BTW) can hold 17 safely, much less legally.

    Thread at a.net:

    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/4359084/

    Also, this really bad FedEx crash in Japan just a little while ago:

    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/4359091/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6cMK9LUnzI

    RIP to all.
    So sad - my prayers for the families.

    Adnoid, do you still fly?
    I do not intend to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death!

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    Gosh, this is sounding like it almost belongs in the crimes section here.

    I'm so very upset with early reporting that the plane was far too overloaded and the pilots were pure idiots for flying so many at such an overweight. That's beyond an accident to me. ..... crying for the poor children, can't imagine their horror before their life ended.

    Looking at the plane to me, there's no way it would fit 17 people, no matter the size of the child. God Bless their families left behind.

    The type of plane is in this link, rated for 9 passengers.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/ne...6/posts?page=1
    Only my opinion, no one else need agree.

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    FAA: 14 people, 7 kids, die in Mont. plane crash



    Sunday, March 22, 2009

    BUTTE, Mont. — A single engine turboprop airplane nose-dived into a cemetery as it approached the Butte airport Sunday afternoon, killing 14 people aboard, a federal official said.

    The number of those dead was confirmed by Karen Byrd, an FAA operations officer in Renton, Wash. Byrd said the death toll included seven adults and seven children.
    Last edited by JBean; 03-23-2009 at 09:58 PM. Reason: removed unhosted image please add a link as sson as possible or I have to remove the post thank you!

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    I don't know the weight of their gear, but five in one family was two adults, and three children 4,3, and 2 years old. They may have been ok weight wise.

    http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/G...&nav=menu227_4

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    http://www.ktvm.com/montana_news.php...b10e406880a01c

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    Our latest information from Airport Security Chief Bickle tells us that the plane's passengers included three families from California who owned a vacation home in Big Sky. We're told they do not have family or friends in the Bozeman area. Among the deceased are six adults and seven children ranging in age from 4- to 12-years-old.
    The plane was last seen in Oroville, California, and departed around noon, mountain time. The Oroville chief of police told reporters he is unsure where the occupants of the plane were from, but the plane did stop at their airport to refuel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    I don't know the weight of their gear, but five in one family was two adults, and three children 4,3, and 2 years old. They may have been ok weight wise.

    http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/G...&nav=menu227_4
    There were 7 adults and 7 children this article reported. I think that's far too many for this size of plane. All other reports say there were 17 people aboard with the plane ranking 9.

    I think this should be a criminal investigation because if there's anyone left alive that allowed this trip to go through like this, they need to be called to task.
    Only my opinion, no one else need agree.


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    Investigators say they will look into possible overloading on a plane that crashed in Montana and killed all 14 people aboard.
    The National Transportation Safety Board says the plane was likely designed to carry a total of 11 people, including two pilots. Seven of the 14 victims in Sunday's crash were children.

    The plane that crashed in Montana, killing all 14 aboard, gave no indication to air traffic controllers that the aircraft was experiencing difficulty when the pilot asked to divert to the airport here, a federal safety official said Monday.
    In an e-mail to The Associated Press, National Transportation Safety Board chairman Mark Rosenker said there was "no indication of any trouble when the diversion was requested to ATC (air traffic control)."

    http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/sto...03-23-11-34-58

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    Quote Originally Posted by adnoid View Post
    It's been a little while, I'd still do it every day if I had the opportunity. It's very relaxing for me.
    I hear the same thing from the few pilots in my life. Please be safe when you do! Are you instrument certified? A small plane nosedived into a lake outside of Atlanta last month and one of the problems in that incident was the pilot's lack of instrument certification.
    I do not intend to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death!

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    10 members of one family. 2 sisters along with their husbands and 6 small children. That is something that I hope none of us have to experience. I think about losing both my brothers their wives and all their children, I think that would leave a hole in my heart bigger than I can imagine. Bless them all!

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    I have been reading the updates of this horrific story and viewing the family pictures that have been placed out there. I have to say I am beyond emotional repair at this moment. Perhaps it's because there has been so many sorrowful deaths this week, but this one has hit me solid.

    I weep for the families and those who loved them. The loss...I cannot even imagine. My heartfelt prayers to all who held these families so dear.

    Adnoid, I have know doubt you fly safe, but take it up a notch when you do. It would really suck losing a friend as yourself. Just say'in.
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".

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    Poor Bud. He was driving up to meet his daughters and their families. what a nightmare.

    David Feldkamp identified the family members killed as Dr. Vanessa Pullen, her husband, Mike, and their two children, plus Pullen's sister, Amy Jacobson of St. Helena, her husband, Erin, and their three children. The women are the daughters of Dr. Irving 'Bud' Feldkamp III, who owns a string of dental offices in Redlands and was driving up to meet the family in Montana, according to David Feldkamp, who is Bud Feldkamp’s cousin.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...t-definit.html

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