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    Quote Originally Posted by SharetheLight View Post
    Wow that is very interesting. The first time occurring during Easter week since 1918 . . .
    Definitely something to consider here. When I posted about the abductor possibly being religious, it was with the thought that if indeed the abductor was religious, it was a twisted religion. Or twisted thoughts/beliefs about religion. Maybe the abductor is someone who was victimized in the name of religion, or maybe just someone who was trying to play God.

    Whatever the cause or reason, a person with a skewed view of religion. Someone who may use religion to benefit themselves in a warped way. Maybe not even someone religious, but who uses religion to further their agenda.
    Well, I was wrong about the 1918, SharetheLight, my mistake; a misreading due to tired eyes. (It actually occurred during Easter Week as recently as 1970.) But I agree with you about the abductor perhaps being someone "who was victimized in the name of religion." Great point. If the Easter Week (or the Easter Week/Feast of Dismas) tie-in has validity in this case, I would say that would be the reason.

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    Unhappy Religion getting distorted.........

    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Well, I was wrong about the 1918, SharetheLight, my mistake; a misreading due to tired eyes. (It actually occurred during Easter Week as recently as 1970.) But I agree with you about the abductor perhaps being someone "who was victimized in the name of religion." Great point. If the Easter Week (or the Easter Week/Feast of Dismas) tie-in has validity in this case, I would say that would be the reason.

    This is very interesting!! Just think about the Elizabeth Smart case, that guy took religion and twisted it to meet his needs!

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    It's more than likely just happenstance. And yet it has an appealing symmetry: St. Dismas, the crucified and forgiven thief, adjudged guilty in the temporal world, yet innocent in the eternal one; it's just the way one might imagine a twisted mind working, that of a sociopath whose last shreds of stability in this world are the teachings of his Church, attempting to tie those shreds together and save himself from the guilt of the act he will compulsively commit, and which--if he was in fact Tape Recorder Man--he has been planning for some time, working on his method, interviewing children he does not plan to kidnap, then bringing his horror to fruition purposely on Holy Week and the Feast of St. Dismas when he finds the ones he will take. Eerie. If this is the scenario, he is, to himself, both the sinner and the Christ.

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    The Easter Bunny

    It is my understanding that some Easter Bunnys' are indeed females, at these malls. Also, if my memory is correct, I believe LE claimed to have interviewed the Bunny or Bunnys' from 25Mar75.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    It's more than likely just happenstance. And yet it has an appealing symmetry: St. Dismas, the crucified and forgiven thief, adjudged guilty in the temporal world, yet innocent in the eternal one; it's just the way one might imagine a twisted mind working, that of a sociopath whose last shreds of stability in this world are the teachings of his Church, attempting to tie those shreds together and save himself from the guilt of the act he will compulsively commit, and which--if he was in fact Tape Recorder Man--he has been planning for some time, working on his method, interviewing children he does not plan to kidnap, then bringing his horror to fruition purposely on Holy Week and the Feast of St. Dismas when he finds the ones he will take. Eerie. If this is the scenario, he is, to himself, both the sinner and the Christ.
    Very well stated.
    It's difficult to determine just what that day is happenstance, and what was planned. It's good to look at all possibilites. This individual is twisted in some way, a spiritual take is as good as any, and in fact more probable in many ways.
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    The Easter bunny and interviews

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeb View Post
    It is my understanding that some Easter Bunnys' are indeed females, at these malls. Also, if my memory is correct, I believe LE claimed to have interviewed the Bunny or Bunnys' from 25Mar75.
    I would hope they have interviewed all the Bunnies that worked 3/25/75, but you never know.
    I have a feeling that LE has probably interviewed the perp, but just didn't know it was the perp. In most cases LE interviews the perp, either unsuspectingly, or they suspect but cannot get enough evidence to do anything about it.
    My feeling is this perp has been interviewed unsuspectingly as part of some type of routine interview LE conducted, probably early on. This is just my opinion after reading so many other abduction cases. It seems LE usually questions the right person at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SharetheLight View Post
    Very well stated.
    It's difficult to determine just what that day is happenstance, and what was planned. It's good to look at all possibilites. This individual is twisted in some way, a spiritual take is as good as any, and in fact more probable in many ways.
    At least it's a way for the rest of us to try to make sense of what really makes no sense at all. Church lore is supposed to assist us spiritually and, in seeking in it a way of reasoning out the unfathomable, it serves its purpose.

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    The holiday and/or religious significance is interesting.

    What about a college student who was home during spring break? One that the girls knew in passing, like maybe the older sibling of one of their friends? That person could have gone back to school before the police got around to thoroughly questioning them or before even realizing that they should question them.

    Or, someone traveling during a holiday break from school or work: Did Maryland have those "Maryland House" rest stops back then? Or did people have to go within a town/suburb, to find a bathroom or food off the highway?

    If the girls arrived home during the window of time that their parents were out, would they have gone into or been able to go into the house by themselves? Would they have gone to a neighbor's house - possibly one where an out of town relative was visiting for the holidays? Or, would they have used the fact that their parents weren't home as a free pass to walk back to the mall and spend some more time there?
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    If the religious aspect has any validity, it might have been a former seminarian or a defrocked priest.

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    Awesome..................

    Quote Originally Posted by LillyRush View Post
    The holiday and/or religious significance is interesting.

    What about a college student who was home during spring break? One that the girls knew in passing, like maybe the older sibling of one of their friends? That person could have gone back to school before the police got around to thoroughly questioning them or before even realizing that they should question them.

    Or, someone traveling during a holiday break from school or work: Did Maryland have those "Maryland House" rest stops back then? Or did people have to go within a town/suburb, to find a bathroom or food off the highway?

    If the girls arrived home during the window of time that their parents were out, would they have gone into or been able to go into the house by themselves? Would they have gone to a neighbor's house - possibly one where an out of town relative was visiting for the holidays? Or, would they have used the fact that their parents weren't home as a free pass to walk back to the mall and spend some more time there?
    LillyRush,these are GREAT ideas!! The college student is most interesting to me.I could really see that happening.Also,you mentioned the girls going back to the mall if they'd come home to an empty house.Remember the sighting of the girls by a kid that said he saw them around 7:30 that night,I know that it was discounted,but maybe they did turn back and that's when he saw them.SharetheLight pointed out to me before, that their parents were out looking for them around that time,this would only work if they would have just missed them.I don't know,it doesn't take long to hop in a car.


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    College Kids and Rest Stops

    A college kid would fit right into the time of year theme. Good thought. Either home on break or traveling for break. This theory could work even without the 7:30pm sighting. I think the parents arrived home sometime around 4 or 4:30 so clearly the girls weren't home then. Good questions about could the girls get in the house with no one home. I'd assume a 12 yr. old would have a key, but who knows. Maybe they even left the door open. Growing up we left our door unlocked when our family was here there and everywhere. (wow, has time changed things!!!)
    As for rest stops like the Maryland House, they were definitely around in the 70s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    If the religious aspect has any validity, it might have been a former seminarian or a defrocked priest.
    Yes, someone who was turned away, or had turned away from religion.

    But maybe even a faithful congregant of a church who just has skewed views, and looks to rituals. Rituals would be important if this case has a religious aspect to it.
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    Questioning people known to them......

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    These are interesting theories concerning who might have abducted the girls.

    As to there being a significance to the Easter Season, I would tend to doubt that, or think of it as a long shot without other supporting evidence. For instance, if this guy had made phone calls or left behind some sort of evidence that he was in fact a religious type of guy, then the Easter angle would be a stronger possibility.

    One of the most common traits of abductors and child molesters is that they tend to think only of themselves at all times. Thoughts of others (like a group, accomplice, or victim) are usually only taken into consideration as to how they fulfill their own wants. In other words, they might use a technique which plays on others' feelings, but might not actually feel that way themselves.

    It would seem far more likely that the more immediate variables such as warm weather, time of day, and situation of school being out and a lot of kids at the mall played a direct part in this specific crime. Also, such factors as moon phase, day of the week, etc could affect the abductor in some way. When all factors have been analyzed, possible patterns might be seen when comparing this crime with others (solved and unsolved).

    One wonders how things might have been different if it had been raining. Or if Kate's friend had accompanied them to the mall that day. Or if they had arrived a half hour earlier. Or if they had decided to go to a movie that afternoon. The list is endless, but not meant to cause anxiety or second guessing. What I am saying is that I think this crime involved both carefull planning AND the elements of chance.

    With the lack of evidence in this case, certainly just about anything is possible. Regarding the possibility that the abductor may have known or been familiar to the girls; many friends, relatives, and acquaintences were interviewed and questioned by police in an attempt to develop a possible suspect, but with no luck at all.

    I do agree with the concept of the abductor being at least "familiar" with/to the girls, as I mentioned in a post earlier. I feel that the abductor may well have been the Tape Recorder Man, whose "interview" with them was only a way of introducing himself to them and making them feel comfortable around him - if only enough to approach his vehicle.
    I understand what you are saying,but I would really like to see a list of all those questioned and interviewed. I'd like to know if they questioned these people.......
    The Lyon's priest
    Male members of thier church
    John Lyon's band mates and coworkers
    The husbands of Mary Lyon's bowling mates
    The girls' teachers
    Jay Lyon's friends
    Mall Security whom were not working that day but may have had access to those tunnels due to their position.

    What I'm trying to say is that I know that LE talked to many people known to the Lyon family,but considering that John was a DJ and played in a band,he knew many many people.I know that Thrasher has said that John had no enemies,and given what I've read about him,I'd say he's a saint,but there isn't ANYONE who can say for sure if he had a crazy fan or upset some nut on the air.Unless someone called in to argue with him, he wouldn't know.How do you interview everyone that listens to a DJ's show? Not possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motherof5 View Post
    I understand what you are saying,but I would really like to see a list of all those questioned and interviewed. I'd like to know if they questioned these people.......
    The Lyon's priest
    Male members of thier church
    John Lyon's band mates and coworkers
    The husbands of Mary Lyon's bowling mates
    The girls' teachers
    Jay Lyon's friends
    Mall Security whom were not working that day but may have had access to those tunnels due to their position.

    What I'm trying to say is that I know that LE talked to many people known to the Lyon family,but considering that John was a DJ and played in a band,he knew many many people.I know that Thrasher has said that John had no enemies,and given what I've read about him,I'd say he's a saint,but there isn't ANYONE who can say for sure if he had a crazy fan or upset some nut on the air.Unless someone called in to argue with him, he wouldn't know.How do you interview everyone that listens to a DJ's show? Not possible.
    You make a good point Motherof5, when dealing with a public figure, the list of people "known" to the victims family grows exponentially. It basically covers the entire region that John Lyon's radio broadcast reached. That is a lot of people.
    I agree that you cannot be sure who may have heard him on the radio, seen his band, and got some twisted ideas.
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    The rainy season

    In thinking more about the time of year these girls were taken. Maybe the weather plays into this. Specifically the rain.
    As I sit and listen to the rain pouring down outside, I am reminded that the Lyon sisters were abducted in the rainy season. It didn't rain the day they were taken, but it rained the day before and the day after making searches for the girls difficult. I don't know if the rain affects dog searches. Maybe someone familiar with tracking dogs can answer that one. Rain definitely impedes ground and air searches so maybe our perp uses the weather to his advantage.
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