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    UT - Suicides or Serial Killer's Victims? Three Utah bodies found in burning cars

    There have been three bodies found in burning cars in the past month. The first one was found on March 9th, the second one on March 20th, and the third one this morning on April 2nd. The first two vics are men and have been identified, the third has no ID yet.

    When I heard of the first case, and with LE saying evidence pointed to a suicide, I thought ok it does happen. However, the case is still open and has not been ruled on. The second case LE won't say what they think and my hinky meter was alerted. Both cases are being investigated as suspicious. Now with the third case my hinker meter is on overdrive. Also note that the obits state that both these men were known for volunteering with children. I'll post the case info for each one below, including the obits for the first two.

    Happy Sleuthing.

    Lorin Deloy Fischer, 28, of Taylorsville, Utah
    Body and car found at Spruces Campground in Big Cottonwood Canyon, Utah
    http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705290299,00.html

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    The body was found Monday in the Spruces campground area. Both the victim and the car were burned extensively. Investigators located a license plate in the burned debris and determined the vehicle's owner. Family members confirmed the victim had not been seen since Sunday, said Salt Lake County Sheriff's Lt. Don Hutson.
    During an autopsy, a medical examiner compared dental records and identified the victim as Lorin Deloy Fischer, 28, of Taylorsville.

    Hutson previously said there was no evidence of foul play, but homicide had not been completely ruled out. Hutson said the evidence was strongly pointing to suicide.

    Obituary:
    http://www.legacy.com/saltlaketribun...onId=125051362

    Gregory M. Nelson, 35, of West Jordan, Utah
    Body and car found near Saltair by the Great Salt Lake, Utah
    http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11995741

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    The Utah Medical Examiner's Office conducted an autopsy on Nelson's body but was unable to determine if the cause of death was suicide or a homicide, Hutson said. Detectives are still investigating the case and "trying to trace all the steps of Mr. Nelson," Hutson said. Nelson's death is similar to that of another man whose body was found March 9 in a burned car in a campground in Big Cottonwood Canyon. Both deaths are still being investigated as suspicious. Investigators have not found evidence suggesting foul play in either death, and there is no evidence they are connected, Hutson said.

    Obituaries:
    http://www.legacy.com/saltlaketribun...onID=125445190

    http://obits.kutv.com/search/show_listing/6130

    UID, Hurricane, Utah
    http://www.thespectrum.com/article/2...EWS01/90402013

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    A body was discovered inside of a burned out vehicle found on Smith's Mesa early today.

    The vehicle's license plates were removed and its vehicle identification number scraped off.


    http://www.sltrib.com/ci_12057077

    Washington County sheriff's deputies are investigating a burned body found in an SUV near Hurricane on Thursday morning.
    A rancher saw a red or maroon Kia sport utility vehicle in flames in the Smith's Mesa area about 6 a.m., said Washington County Undersheriff Jake Adams. The rancher left the isolated area and called police at 8:30 a.m.
    (more at link)
    Last edited by SuziQ; 04-03-2009 at 12:17 PM. Reason: add

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    Thank you for the links SuziQ. I do NOT think the first two were suicide. Reading about both of these men, there's NO WAY they killed themselves.

    Ok, I may be reaching here, but what is interesting is that BOTH men volunteered with youth.

    The first young man, Lorin Fischer worked with homeless children at Volunteers of America. IMHO, LE NEEDS to go there and talk to everyone who had anything to do with this man. They also should check out every person that's been within those walls for as long as Lorin Fischer was involved there.........I could be wrong, of course, but..............................

    FWIW, I found, in another case, that Volunteers of America use exCons, to give them a chance to rehabilitate. I don't think many people in the area they're located, across the U.S., are aware of WHO some of these volunteers are, or were in their previous life.

    It'll be interesting to see who this third person is.

    JMHO
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    I just don't think anyone would select this form of suicide.

    Burning themselves up alive? Just being able to sit there being able to do that seem unrealistic to me.

    If they deemed the first one suicide then maybe whomever is doing this knows they will just think the others are suicide.

    I would think this method of suicide is extremely rare and already three have ocurred in a month? Very far fetched imo.

    imoo
    "Pardon Our Noise, It's the Sound of Freedom" USMC New River Air Station, Jacksonville, North Carolina

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    Fran, Thank you about the ex-con info. I had no idea. That is scary.

    Oceanblueeyes, You and I feel the same way about this method of suicide and so many in a short period of time.

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    I've been trying to find someone recently reported missing, even within the state, but no luck so far. I'll keep an eye on this one.

    JMHO
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    The first two deaths were only 3 1/2 miles apart.
    Notice to the third, almost a straight shot down the state.

    Interesting,
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    http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?wi...J0b3A9MCU3ZTA=

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    Quote Originally Posted by fran View Post
    The first two deaths were only 3 1/2 miles apart.
    Notice to the third, almost a straight shot down the state.

    Interesting,
    fran


    http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?wi...J0b3A9MCU3ZTA=
    I guess the locations I gave with their names are a bit misleading. I posted where they are from. The first one was at the Spruces Campground in Big Cottonwood Canyon. And the second one was near a place called Saltair by the Great Salt lake. I haven't mapped them, but my guess is they are about 25-35 miles apart. About a 45 minute drive.

    Sorry about the confusion. What is interesting, is the first two vics lived not far from each other.
    Last edited by SuziQ; 04-03-2009 at 12:15 PM. Reason: add

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    I edited the original posts to correctly reflect where the bodies were found.

    Sorry about that Fran!

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    http://www.thespectrum.com/article/2...NTPAGECAROUSEL

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    Adams said the vehicle was about two miles up the fork that leads to the Kolob area.
    "Someone saw the car (on fire) about 6 a.m., but it wasn't reported until about 8:30," Adams said.
    As of Thursday, detectives were still at the scene trying to identify the body.
    The vehicle had no license plates and investigators were trying to locate a readable vehicle identification number to determine ownership.
    The vehicle was reportedly a red or maroon Kia Sportage, which Adams said is similar to a Jeep Wrangler.
    The fire damage to the vehicle was extensive and deputies working with State Fire Marshall Todd Hohbein are treating the case as suspicious.
    Adams said suicide by a vehicle fire is unusual, but not unprecedented

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    Dental records are being requested from Kentucky to help identify the burned body found after the vehicle fire Thursday morning.

    Washington County Sheriff's Office Detective Nate Abbott said the body was burned so badly investigators were unable to determine its gender.
    “The car gave us some really solid leads,” he said. (more at link)

    http://www.thespectrum.com/article/2.../90403009/1002


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    The men could have been stangled or even stabbed then set on fire. If the fire was hot enough signs of murder might be destroyed.

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    The victim found near Saltaire was my brother. Noone that knew him well thinks it was suicide. There was an eight hour period before he was found in the car where noone knows where he was. I cannot imagine Greg WANTING to die in such a painful way. He worked out and took very good care of himself. I hope they find out what happened in all three of these cases.

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    ginan69 - I am so sorry about your brother. Prayers to you and your family and all of Greg's friends.

    Thank you for joining us here. I'm sure many of us have questions for you. I have written some below, BUT please do not feel you have to answer anything or even respond until you want too.

    Do you recognize the name of the other victim? I have not read all the articles linked here, but if a picture was posted, did it look familiar to you at all? Or did any of the description in the Obituary ring any bells with you?

    Salem

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    ginan69, My sincerest condolences go out to you and your family for the loss of your dear brother. My prayers are with you all.

    matilda

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    ginan69, I am so sorry to hear about your brother. My prayers are with you and your family.

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