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    When Parents Kill..

    http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/


    Although I believe that JB was ACCIDENTLY injured, and her parents thought she was dead..so they staged a cover-up...and unknowingly finshed her off with the garotte...I found this article interesting.

    It is devoted to all of the IDI's that believe that Patsy is innocent, just because a parent wouldn't kill their own child.
    "This time we get it right."

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    Hell is full of people who killed their own children.
    THIS time, we get it RIGHT!

    This post is my constitutionally-protected opinion. Please do not copy or take it anywhere else.

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    An interesting article Ames - thanks for the link. It also has relevance to the current Caylee Anthony case.
    Last edited by TinaD; 04-04-2009 at 08:19 PM. Reason: typo

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    Hi Ames. TY for posting the link.
    Very interesting .... stats, and mention of England's Infanticide Act.

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    That's a fascinating piece, Ames. I too think that JBR's death was accidental or at least unpremeditated but it is helpful to remember that parents can and do kill intentionally and that there are wicked parents. Without going into too many tedious details, there was a case over here recently where a beautiful baby boy was tortured to death by his mother's boyfriend. The boyfriend was sentenced to prison and an unGodly rush ensued to blame social services (with lots of summary firings etc). What was largely overlooked by the media was the fact that the mother of this little angel was covering up for her boyfriend - covering the toddler's bruises with chocolate so it looked like he was just a bit overindulged when he went to the doctor's office etc. To most mothers, this is beyond unthinkable and it would be comforting to think it didn't happen. But it did happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophie View Post
    That's a fascinating piece, Ames. I too think that JBR's death was accidental or at least unpremeditated but it is helpful to remember that parents can and do kill intentionally and that there are wicked parents. Without going into too many tedious details, there was a case over here recently where a beautiful baby boy was tortured to death by his mother's boyfriend. The boyfriend was sentenced to prison and an unGodly rush ensued to blame social services (with lots of summary firings etc). What was largely overlooked by the media was the fact that the mother of this little angel was covering up for her boyfriend - covering the toddler's bruises with chocolate so it looked like he was just a bit overindulged when he went to the doctor's office etc. To most mothers, this is beyond unthinkable and it would be comforting to think it didn't happen. But it did happen.
    That is so sad. Bless his little heart. I hope that the mom and the boyfriend are now in jail.
    "This time we get it right."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    That is so sad. Bless his little heart. I hope that the mom and the boyfriend are now in jail.
    Ames, there's a pic of 'Baby P' here if it's of interest:


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7727641.stm

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    [quote=Ames;3551301]http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/


    Although I believe that JB was ACCIDENTLY injured, and her parents thought she was dead..so they staged a cover-up...and unknowingly finshed her off with the garotte...I found this article interesting.

    It is devoted to all of the IDI's that believe that Patsy is innocent, just because a parent wouldn't kill their own child.[/quote]


    Good article. I do think, however, that the vast majority of IDI's do not believe Patsy is innocent solely based on the thought that "a parent wouldn't kill their own child". In fact, I have NEVER seen or heard a IDI base their opinion on that thought process. Everyone knows that there ARE parents who kill their children. I just think that the thought process is that the RAMSEY's do not fit the standard mold, if there is one, of parents who would do this. Actually, the article supports that.

    My opinion only & I could be wrong. Not looking to get into a spittin' match with anyone on this thread......Lord knows this topic gets people's heads spinning ha ha. Backing out now.

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    [QUOTE=eleven;3558593]
    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/


    Although I believe that JB was ACCIDENTLY injured, and her parents thought she was dead..so they staged a cover-up...and unknowingly finshed her off with the garotte...I found this article interesting.

    It is devoted to all of the IDI's that believe that Patsy is innocent, just because a parent wouldn't kill their own child.[/quote]


    Good article. I do think, however, that the vast majority of IDI's do not believe Patsy is innocent solely based on the thought that "a parent wouldn't kill their own child".
    I would imagine so, but there have been cases.

    In fact, I have NEVER seen or heard a IDI base their opinion on that thought process.
    I have.

    Everyone knows that there ARE parents who kill their children. I just think that the thought process is that the RAMSEY's do not fit the standard mold, if there is one, of parents who would do this.
    Same difference.

    Actually, the article supports that.
    Mm.

    My opinion only & I could be wrong. Not looking to get into a spittin' match with anyone on this thread......Lord knows this topic gets people's heads spinning ha ha. Backing out now.
    I really don't know why you always talk like that. We're not a nest of cobras.
    I'm as mad as HELL and I'm NOT gonna take it anymore!.

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    [quote=SuperDave;3559358][quote=eleven;3558593]

    I would imagine so, but there have been cases.



    I have.



    Same difference.



    Mm.



    I really don't know why you always talk like that. We're not a nest of cobras.[/quote]

    Do I always talk like that? Hmmm - I don't think so. I have made probably 5-8 posts on this entire subject. Either way, I do not not think anyone here is part of a cobras nest....however, I do know that dissenting opinion on this subject is often scorned and ridiculed. Not by everyone and not even by the majority. But some, for sure. For that reason, I know there are some that feel like making a disclaimer that they are not trying to rile any feathers when voicing a dissenting opinion, because oftentimes that is exactly what it does, and I am sooo not all about that sort of thing. So, I made a disclaimer. Please don't equate it with me thinking you are a "nest of cobras". Not true and not at all necessary.


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    [QUOTE=eleven;3560121][quote=SuperDave;3559358]
    Quote Originally Posted by eleven View Post

    I would imagine so, but there have been cases.



    I have.



    Same difference.



    Mm.



    I really don't know why you always talk like that. We're not a nest of cobras.[/quote]

    Do I always talk like that? Hmmm - I don't think so. I have made probably 5-8 posts on this entire subject.
    Sorry. I was merely speaking of what I've seen.

    Either way, I do not not think anyone here is part of a cobras nest....however, I do know that dissenting opinion on this subject is often scorned and ridiculed. Not by everyone and not even by the majority. But some, for sure.
    No doubt.

    For that reason, I know there are some that feel like making a disclaimer that they are not trying to rile any feathers when voicing a dissenting opinion, because oftentimes that is exactly what it does, and I am sooo not all about that sort of thing. So, I made a disclaimer. Please don't equate it with me thinking you are a "nest of cobras". Not true and not at all necessary.
    All right. Forget i said anything.
    I'm as mad as HELL and I'm NOT gonna take it anymore!.

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    [quote=SuperDave;3560591][quote=eleven;3560121]
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post

    Sorry. I was merely speaking of what I've seen.



    No doubt.



    All right. Forget i said anything.
    Ha ha, okay SD...forgotten.

    This case, after all these years, definitely gets folks riled up...and for good reason, no doubt. I do know, however, that the ones who get so riled up are the ones who want justice served the most and the ones who feel the most passionate about this. Whether IDI, RDI or NRKFSWDI (Nobody Really Knows For Sure Who Did It) the frequent posters and commentators on this subject are folks with a soft heart and an incredible desire for this little girl to have justice....and I hope that one day she gets it. Whether that "justice" supports my theory, your theory, or anyone else's theory, well, none of that matters as long as the justice does get served.

    I respect EVERYONE here and for the most part, I think everyone else does too.

    Have a beautiful night, SD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleven View Post

    Ha ha, okay SD...forgotten.

    This case, after all these years, definitely gets folks riled up...and for good reason, no doubt. I do know, however, that the ones who get so riled up are the ones who want justice served the most and the ones who feel the most passionate about this. Whether IDI, RDI or NRKFSWDI (Nobody Really Knows For Sure Who Did It) the frequent posters and commentators on this subject are folks with a soft heart and an incredible desire for this little girl to have justice....and I hope that one day she gets it. Whether that "justice" supports my theory, your theory, or anyone else's theory, well, none of that matters as long as the justice does get served.

    I respect EVERYONE here and for the most part, I think everyone else does too.

    Have a beautiful night, SD.
    Hi eleven.

    Wow. That's it exactly! ..... incredible .... the effort that has been put forth ..... for justice and dignity for that little girl, ah .... poor wee JBR, and by such effort, all children. The dedication of 'the public' is admirable. All the bloggers and posters .... I really appreciate all the info they've made available. I could not have imagined such dedication and such a wealth of information; evidence of how JonBenet has been embraced.

    Ya ... passionate discussions, but not toxic or venomous.

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    Children under the age of 5 in the United States are more likely to be killed by their parents than anyone else. Contrary to popular mythology, they are rarely killed by a sex-crazed stranger. FBI crime statistics show that in 1999 parents were responsible for 57 percent of these murders, with family friends and acquaintances accounting for another 30 percent and other family members accounting for 8 percent. Crime statistics further reveal that of the children under 5 killed from 1976 to 1999, 30 percent were murdered by their mothers while 31 percent were killed by their fathers. And while the strangers, acquaintances, and other family members who kill children skew heavily toward males (as does the entire class of murderers), children are as likely to be murdered by their fathers as by their mothers.
    This was from article................I'm thinking of many cases ...........sad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadpole12 View Post
    Hi eleven.

    Wow. That's it exactly! ..... incredible .... the effort that has been put forth ..... for justice and dignity for that little girl, ah .... poor wee JBR, and by such effort, all children. The dedication of 'the public' is admirable. All the bloggers and posters .... I really appreciate all the info they've made available. I could not have imagined such dedication and such a wealth of information; evidence of how JonBenet has been embraced.

    Ya ... passionate discussions, but not toxic or venomous.
    Hiya back, Tadpole! I agree - the effort that has been put forth has been incredible. Admirable, even. Personally, I am of the belief that the Ramsey's are innocent and that someone is walking the streets today (unless he's dead now) that got away with this disgusting crime. However, I don't know for sure and the people that think that the Ramsey's are guilty don't know for sure either! So, with that said, the IDI's and the RDI's aren't TRULY on the opposite sides of the fence, because the common denominator for us all is that we do not really know. We only have opinions, and I really do respect them all. From both sides.

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