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    CA - Los Angeles, WhtFem HC1367, 18-30, Dec'70 - Shannon Capriola

    Anyone know if this UID has been ruled out for Robin Graham? Seems a mite strange a connection wouldn't have been established already but there appears to be a resemblance.

    CA WF 1970

    Case Number 1970-13781
    Sex F
    Ethnic Group White
    Ht unk
    Wt unk
    Eyes Unknown
    Hair Black
    Age 25+ (Doe Network Estimated age: 18-30 years old)


    Tattoos:
    Jewelry: NONE
    NO CLOTHING DESCRIPTON AVAILABLE
    Comments: The decedent was found on 12/31/1970 at 740 S. Manspiel Ave. in L.A. Age range between 18-30. No further information available.

    http://coroner.co.la.ca.us/htm/uipli...TOKEN=36940610

    http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase1367.html



    Robin Ann Graham

    Missing since November 14, 1970 from Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    * Date Of Birth: June 22, 1952
    * Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
    * Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6; 125 lbs.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
    * Clothing: Red blouse, blue jeans, red clog shoes, dark blue corduroy jacket.
    * Dentals: Available


    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/980dfca.html

    Please use links to view photos. Thank you.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-25-2012 at 11:27 PM. Reason: fix title

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    I see some resemblance but one is listed as having black hair and the other is listed with brown hair. I guess it could have been dyed.

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    Hair color is a bit subjective. Some call me blonde, some light brown. My husband has black hair IMO, but many call it dark brown. Why is there no height/weight on the UID? The photo seems that she was found immediately following her death, so that info should be available.


    I see some resemblance. I think that in death, the lack of facial muscles changes a persons facial appearance. Even when sleeping we have control over our muscle movements, both voluntary and involuntary. I think that those muscles lift our face up and make it look less elongated. This is just my non-professional opinion.
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    I think there are similarities in the looks and shape of the face (the nose looks similar to me as well). I agree with Triple A as per the hair color. I have a cousin with black hair that takes on a blue sheen, so I would call her hair black. Other people whos hair is "black" could have brown tones.

    This is JMO.

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    I see some similarity.....but its awful hard when there is no weight & height.

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    I think they are very similar. Robins photo. looks like it was taken in High School. She's off to college the first things most girls do is change hair color and pluck eyebrows, we all did....lol
    If I were family I would definitely want the unidentified girl ruled out.
    nice find!





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    Gosh, I do see some similarities in the faces. Timeline and location are right on too. It makes no sense they don't have at least an estimated height and weight on the UID! Maybe we need to rattle a cage there....

    I agree that logic says this would have been checked out, but you never know. If it has been, we should be able to get a pretty quick response. Go for it!

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    Agree with all of you...thanks for your quick input.

    Even though there is very little information on the UID, I've sent an inquiry to both agencies asking whether this UID has been considered/ruled out as a match for Robin. Mainly because I am expecting replies from both saying that a match was ruled out in Dec. 1970.

    The URL below gives a little more insight into Robin's disappearance. Her family didn't fade quietly away so it would seem that a deceased young woman found 6 weeks later in the same city Robin disappeared from would have been investigated thoroughly.

    At least I'm hoping that's the case.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Graham

    ETA lol Fairy1....we were having the same thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by capoly View Post
    Agree with all of you...thanks for your quick input.

    Even though there is very little information on the UID, I've sent an inquiry to both agencies asking whether this UID has been considered/ruled out as a match for Robin. Mainly because I am expecting replies from both saying that a match was ruled out in Dec. 1970.

    The URL below gives a little more insight into Robin's disappearance. Her family didn't fade quietly away so it would seem that a deceased young woman found 6 weeks later in the same city Robin disappeared from would have been investigated thoroughly.

    At least I'm hoping that's the case.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Graham

    ETA lol Fairy1....we were having the same thought
    Well, this is enlightening - thanks capoly. I have to agree that Robin's family and LE would have ruled this UID out at the time. But Lord knows we've all seen things fall through the cracks on some of these cases, so I suppose anything is possible. I do expect you'll receive a swift response!

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    Have not received a reply from either agency. But, based on an archived news article, a young woman was identified on Jan. 2, 1971 as the victim found at 740 S. Mansfield Ave. Could not find a Manspiel Ave in L.A.

    Her name was Shannon Caprola, age 23, from Talmadge, Ohio.

    Police in L.A. Identify Victim of Bludgeoning

    Los Angeles Times (1886-Current File) - Los Angeles, Calif.
    Date: Jan 2, 1971

    Slain Woman Identified as Ohio Visitor

    Los Angeles Times (1886-Current File) - Los Angeles, Calif.
    Date: Jan 2, 1971


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    Sent the following email to Daniel Machian, UID's contact at the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office. Hope he doesn't find me too annoying but it be good to have this cleared up......

    Dear Mr. Machian,

    While searching for further information on your UID Case #1970-13781 I came upon a 1971 L.A. Times article which stated that a young woman found slain at 740 S Mansfield Ave was identified as Shannon Caprola, age 23, from Talmadge, Ohio on Jan 2, 1971. (article attached) I could not find a S Manspiel Ave listed as a public/private way in L.A.

    I did a search for Shannon Caprola on the L.A. database for unclaimed identified persons with 0 results.

    Would you be able to clarify this for me? If Shannon is #1970-13781 than you might want the word to get out so you are not bombarded with ID submissions.

    Or perhaps by clerical error Shannon Caprola's information was mistakenly listed as pertinent to another unidentified young woman? The UID does bear a resemblance to Robin Ann Graham. (side-by-side attached)

    Thank you, etc etc

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    Received the following reply from Daniel Machian, UID's contact at the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office.

    To: ,

    Thank you for the information that you provided, I will follow through
    on this information and I will get back to you with the results from my
    search.

    Sincerely,
    Inv. Daniel Machian

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    Warning-Morgue photo

    Strange how alot of us are on the same search at the same time! I was searching for a possible match to this Jane, I totally skipped over Missing females close to Los Angeles, simply because I assumed (I hate that word) that ME and Investigators had SURELY cross referenced with them. I even thought, alot of the parents/family had probably been called to view this girls body! Anywho, here's a side by side of Jane and Robin, while we wait to hear back from ME.....
    Just a note: The pic of Jane, it has been airbrushed, probably to mask bruising or injuries, so the Jane's face appears a bit longer! Alot of the reasons that there is no clothing description, they are nude when found and depending on coroner or assistant that enters the info (especialy on the web) will not state that, I am guessing here, probably out of compassion for family that may come across the report!
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    With the side by side, it looks like the eye's line up fairly well (size wise).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadeaBecBec View Post
    Strange how alot of us are on the same search at the same time! I was searching for a possible match to this Jane, I totally skipped over Missing females close to Los Angeles, simply because I assumed (I hate that word) that ME and Investigators had SURELY cross referenced with them. I even thought, alot of the parents/family had probably been called to view this girls body! Anywho, here's a side by side of Jane and Robin, while we wait to hear back from ME.....
    Just a note: The pic of Jane, it has been airbrushed, probably to mask bruising or injuries, so the Jane's face appears a bit longer! Alot of the reasons that there is no clothing description, they are nude when found and depending on coroner or assistant that enters the info (especialy on the web) will not state that, I am guessing here, probably out of compassion for family that may come across the report!
    What is your thought on similarities between Robin & Uid, MadeaBecBec? Have a photo of Robin smiling but it is very grainy and hard to truly see her teeth.

    Plus it is an image in an old news article....tried to attach the 2 articles so just a link was present but they kept coming up with the thumbnails. Was concerned re copyright.

    Finally got cut & paste to work.

    Last edited by capoly; 04-09-2009 at 04:15 AM. Reason: Add photo.

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