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    I keep going back in my mind to thinking that this perhaps wasn't a club stamp. A stamp saying 'paid' seems like something you would have at a store at that time. My father certainly used one still when I was a teen (1990s) to stamp records of customers having paid for the item in full. I would believe that this would not be something used by a professional club but perhaps by a person having a private party but perhaps having an entrance fee to pay for beer or something like that and the stamp was really for a business. I would really like to see a picture of the stamp mark to see what type of stamp it was...


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    Quote Originally Posted by elliha View Post
    I keep going back in my mind to thinking that this perhaps wasn't a club stamp. A stamp saying 'paid' seems like something you would have at a store at that time. My father certainly used one still when I was a teen (1990s) to stamp records of customers having paid for the item in full. I would believe that this would not be something used by a professional club but perhaps by a person having a private party but perhaps having an entrance fee to pay for beer or something like that and the stamp was really for a business. I would really like to see a picture of the stamp mark to see what type of stamp it was...
    That's a good point. Clubs would be much more likely to use something with the date on it, so you couldn't use last night's stamp to get into tonight's show.

    Wonder if that's something Kraft would have done to be funny -- pick up a guy turning tricks for money and then stamp him "paid" after the murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cymro View Post
    1 year and 1 inch outside the age range. Other looks are similar, as is weight.

    Circumstances are not inconsistent - three months between disappearance and location of the body, and involving someone who took off 6 hours in one direction to look for a job... if that didn't work out, he could easily have ended up 6 hours in another direction, especially if his choices were go home or head to where the apparent prosperity is.

    Good find!
    I agree.

    Here's a map that shows Flagstaff AZ, Cline's Corner NM, and the spot where the body was found in Long Beach. Cline's Corner is a gas station/trading post/etc. founded by Roy Cline back when I-10 was Route 6 and then Route 66, and moved several times to stay near the highway. It's a major intersection out in the middle of nowhere, with a lot of tourist business and truck traffic all year round (http://www.theroadwanderer.net/66NMex/clines.htm). It's a very likely place to have gone looking for work.

    I think there was also a considerable amount of highway and dam construction going on in the New Mexico/Arizona area at that time.

    https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=F...t=h&mra=ls&z=6
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    I heard back from Daniel Machain from the LA County Coroner. I guess the possibility of this UID being Jean Vincent is an idea that's been around for awhile --

    We received an inquiry in July 2012 on this possible match. Ottawa authorities were contacted at that time and they were going to follow-up on this case and they would contact us when they have completed their investigation.
    I wonder how long investigations like this usually take?


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    Recently, I was looking through some of the yearbooks at Classmates and couldn't help be struck by the resemblance between this UID and Craig Victor Jonaitis, a known victim of Randy Kraft who was found deceased near the Golden Sails hotel (about a 2 mile drive from the UID). http://www.classmates.com/yearbooks/...71087?page=184 There were other similarities as well (both victims were strangled and not mutilated).

    I wonder if the LA Coroner was ever able to compare the UID to Jean Vincent? NamUs still doesn't list any rule-outs.


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    What was the cause of death?


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    Could he be:
    12. LB MARINA--Name unconnected to any unsolved murder.
    Off of the Randy Kraft "scorecard?" Link found here: http://articles.latimes.com/1988-10-...aft-case-randy

    Could it mean Long Beach Marina? Could our UP been picked up from, or connected to a marina around the area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDMike View Post
    What was the cause of death?
    Strangulation, according to the Long Beach Press-Telegram article.


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    Paid stamp

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    "PAID" stamp = amusement park? That was the first thing that came to my mind. When I go to Playland (Amusement park in British Columbia), they stamp your hand before you enter.
    Your post reminded me that I saw amusement rides in LB recently, which led me to search. There was a well-known amusement park in LB, close to the marina, that closed in 1979.

    Here is a link with photos http://www.millikanalumni.com/Pike/Pike.html.

    Wiki link The Pike - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom View Post
    Could he be:
    12. LB MARINA--Name unconnected to any unsolved murder.
    Off of the Randy Kraft "scorecard?" Link found here: http://articles.latimes.com/1988-10-...aft-case-randy

    Could it mean Long Beach Marina? Could our UP been picked up from, or connected to a marina around the area?
    Recently, I noticed something about the Long Beach Marina notation on Randy Kraft's list -- it actually looks like it reads "L.B. Marina - 1st ST"


    Not far from where this young man was found, on Alamitos Bay beginning near Bayshore and 1st St. and extending down to Ocean Blvd. and 55th Place there are two marinas (one is called the Leeward Sailing Center, where I learned how to sail a very small sailboat when I was a kid, I'm not sure what the other one is called or if either of them were there in 1978). The Long Beach shoreline has changed a lot over the years and there could have been a marina near First Street back in 1978 that is no longer there.


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    You're right, it does look like it says 1st St.
    Hmmm.
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    This is a guy who has been in NamUs since 2011, but his casefile has remain unpublished until recently.

    The Date LKA is 01-Dec-79, and there is mention that he might have been tentatively ID'd as a guy killed in a car accident in 1985, but there was never any confirmation.

    Edward Champagne
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13277/0



    But he sure looks alot like the Belmont Shore John Doe.



    I wonder how sure they are of Champagne's Date LKA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    This is a guy who has been in NamUs since 2011, but his casefile has remain unpublished until recently.

    The Date LKA is 01-Dec-79, and there is mention that he might have been tentatively ID'd as a guy killed in a car accident in 1985, but there was never any confirmation.

    Edward Champagne
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13277/0



    But he sure looks alot like the Belmont Shore John Doe.



    I wonder how sure they are of Champagne's Date LKA.
    It's interesting that you mention Edward Champagne's LKA date, because I'd like to know that, too. I thought that Mr. Champagne looked a lot like William Bonin's victims and had wondered about him possibly being the unidentified victim found in Kern County in November 1979. I mentioned this to Carrie Sutherland at NamUs, asking her about his date LKA. She never got back to me about it. It looks like he was reported missing recently on November 4, 2013.
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    Jean Vincent has been ruled out. He is the only exclusion listed in NamUs --

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4428

    I didn't notice this before, but it looks like Los Angeles County has DNA for this UID (somehow I was under the impression that they didn't have DNA for any of their UIDs from the 1970s, so I am glad that I was wrong about this).


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    I read somewhere that they got a grant from somewhere that let them do testing on a bunch of their older UIDs. I don't remember if they were able to exhume anybody, or if it was just for the ones for which they still had teeth etc.
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