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    Not really trying to "defend" the A's (where would one even start?), just, I guess, trying to make some sense in a situation that defies all logic...I am kind of upset that the A's won't be attending the crime victims' forum - wasn't too thrilled that they were going to be guest speakers, but thought attending the conference would do them some good - listening to others and their stories, interacting w/ others who have dealt firsthand some of the most atrocious and reprehensible crimes imaginable...and kind of hoping that someone, either through deeds or actions, would help to enlighten them...yes, they need to grieve, grieve deeply and fully, cherish the precious grand~child they lost to a senseless, despicable crime. Perchance by their attendance, they would have learned how to better deal w/ their understandable anger and other emotions instead of the seemingly destructive way they are choosing to deal w/ it, continuing to make such public spectacles of themselves. They lost their grand~daughter and their daughter is accused of her murder (w/ all evidence pointing directly towards her) and whether or not they choose to support their daughter is really their own business - KC is their only link now to Caylee and while speculation is ripe about her involvement, it is still their daughter and they prolly do not know the whole truth, as do none of us either - yet, if ever. Yes, *if* KC did commit this heinous act, she should be punished and that punishment should be swift and severe; but at the end of the day, for the A's, the facts do not change - Caylee was murdered, she is not coming back, but KC is still alive and they are prolly fully aware that their own words (from the onset of this tragedy) are going to be instrumental in helping to convict her; thus they are prolly in denial, disassociating themselves from fact(s) and/or reality and instead choosing to believe the fiction their daughter has spun/is spinning/continues to spin...

    There is no "script" for such occurrences and we can all agree on this for sure - that we do NOT want to be in the A's shoes - I'm pretty sure when they are alone w/ their own thoughts, they prolly are reliving every moment leading up to and throughout this; lots of what if's, if only's, I should have, I could have - many scenarios playing out in their minds, grasping at what they might have possibly done differently. Sadly and unfortunately for Caylee (and others), they cannot go back and change anything - they have to live w/ the stark reality that is upon them now. I personally - and a lot of us - would not be doing many of the things they are doing, but like that - I can "say" I wouldn't do this or that, blah, blah, but I really don't know - I just presume I would not...and just hope I - no one - ever has to experience what they are facing (or any such crime!) I was just hoping they might have been able to model other victim's behaviour(s) and possibly act w/ a little bit of decorum and restraint - I really do hope they find some peace - can only imagine how painstakingly devastating it is for them to wander their house filled w/ both tangible and intangible memories of both Caylee and KC and they simply may not be able to separate the two - for whatever reason. It is their own private nightmare - I'm not condoning them nor condemning them, I just wish them peace - all of them - and hope that there is justice for Caylee and all victims...and also hope that I haven't infuriated the "Sippy Cup Gang," prompting them to jump on their "Big Wheels" in an effort to hunt me down - ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladybass0711 View Post
    Personally I beleive that we should all take a step back. I believe that if we were all in the same postion as George and Cindy we would all mess up too. Maybe not as bad, but noone is perfect, and we have to realize that this is all new to George and Cindy.

    Don't get me wrong, I do NOT agree, nor do I condone what any of the Anthony's have done. But what I will say, is NONE of us have lived the lives of George, or Cindy, and non of us know how we would react, how we would handle the media, how we would handle the CONSTANT media attention, how we would handle the rumors.

    And for those of you that sit here and say, that George and Cindy are not victims, I ask you to stop and think.

    The first victim is Caylee, the second victims in this are George and Cindy. As I am fairly certain that they did not wake up one day and say "Gee I think I will play a part in my grandaughters dissapearence."

    Yes the Anthonys have made some very BAD choices. But honestly can you sit here and put yourself in 100% of their shoes, and say that you would do everything Perfectly?? I know I couldn't. I beleive that we all fall back into coping mechanisms to an extent when we are in a crisis. And I beleive that SOME of what we are seeing is coping mechanisms that are coming out.

    We are VERY critical of others when it is not our lives! But folks, please remember this, NOONE is perfect. If a person was, I am sure everyone would be cloning that person!
    IMHO One mess up,okay. A second mess up....Hmmmmm. To continue to mess up for nine months pretty much says that's your character.
    Cindy and George quit being victims when they started covering up for KC.Then they became accomplices ,in my book.
    ETA I lost my 15yr old son to suicide .He hung himself in our house.We had a CSI unit go through and were questioned by the coronor and 2 detectives at the hospital,just after we learned our son died.Our children were questioned,so yea,I kinda do know how I would act.We were all honest and wanted the truth.We gave them names and James' computer [he was on just before he died].I am honest about what my son did. He took his own life.And I'm honest enough to feel guilty and full of what if's.
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    Thankfully, I do not know what it must be like to go through something like my own child lying, stealing and then murdering my grandchild, . I have had problems with my children doing some unseemly things over the years, for example, my oldest daughter has lied just to be lying (that started when she was little), and she used my mother's credit cards many many times, stole money from me....so I have had a taste of those types of things. Thank God she doesn't do those things anymore. I have tried to ask myself what would I do if any of my children did what KC did....and I have decided that while I cannot know the answer 100% for sure, I believe I would love my child, no matter what, but I would NOT lie for him/her, and I WOULD do what needed to be done to bring justice to my grandchild. I believe I would have no qualms telling my son or daughter that I knew they were guilty and they belonged in prison, but that I still love them, and that I would be telling the truth and helping the authorities any way I could. I have read a few other posters here over the months who say they couldn't stand behind their child, etc....but even if my son/daughter had murdered my grandchild, I don't see myself turning my back forever on him/her. I do not call this "standing behind" my child. I see this simply as loving them. It does not mean I wouldn't be angry or hurt beyond belief, and it might even be a while before I could actually communicate with them in a civil manner.
    This is not what I see the Anthonys doing, though. They love KC, yes, but they are participating in THE LIE, continuing to present it to the public in spite of the evidence as if it makes complete sense. They have all lied to LE, to the public, and in my eyes, have made themselves look very foolish. It is a disgrace to Caylee's short life. I do not listen to the Anthony's interviews any longer--haven't since Oct/Nov. It is just the same old story. There will never be anything new or revealing come from their lips. I used to have hope that George would, in the end, be the one to stand up for Caylee, but it appears right now that any hope of that is lost. Finally, I want to say that George and Cindy HAVE lost Caylee, but they aren't really losing Casey. She might be behind bars, maybe for the rest of her life, but she will at least have a life. She will make the most of it. I hate hearing how they are so afraid they are going to lose her too, but even if she gets the DP, they won't lose her for a very very long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJames View Post
    IMHO One mess up,okay. A second mess up....Hmmmmm. To continue to mess up for nine months pretty much says that's your character.
    Cindy and George quit being victims when they started covering up for KC.Then they became accomplices ,in my book.
    ETA I lost my 15yr old son to suicide .He hung himself in our house.We had a CSI unit go through and were questioned by the coronor and 2 detectives at the hospital,just after we learned our son died.Our children were questioned,so yea,I kinda do know how I would act.We were all honest and wanted the truth.We gave them names and James' computer [he was on just before he died].I am honest about what my son did. He took his own life.And I'm honest enough to feel guilty and full of what if's.
    Thanks for your post and God bless you and your family. So sorry for your loss. I think your sentiment rings true with many of us here who have suffered and survived tragedy with our dignity and "integrity" intact. Pain is one thing, what I don't understand is how this family finds the energy to lie. during my darkest hours the only thoughts I could muster were how to breath and why should I. How the entire family sprung into spin cycle to quickly and effortlessly boggles my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shgrbkr View Post
    Thankfully, I do not know what it must be like to go through something like my own child lying, stealing and then murdering my grandchild, . I have had problems with my children doing some unseemly things over the years, for example, my oldest daughter has lied just to be lying (that started when she was little), and she used my mother's credit cards many many times, stole money from me....so I have had a taste of those types of things. Thank God she doesn't do those things anymore. I have tried to ask myself what would I do if any of my children did what KC did....and I have decided that while I cannot know the answer 100% for sure, I believe I would love my child, no matter what, but I would NOT lie for him/her, and I WOULD do what needed to be done to bring justice to my grandchild. I believe I would have no qualms telling my son or daughter that I knew they were guilty and they belonged in prison, but that I still love them, and that I would be telling the truth and helping the authorities any way I could. I have read a few other posters here over the months who say they couldn't stand behind their child, etc....but even if my son/daughter had murdered my grandchild, I don't see myself turning my back forever on him/her. I do not call this "standing behind" my child. I see this simply as loving them. It does not mean I wouldn't be angry or hurt beyond belief, and it might even be a while before I could actually communicate with them in a civil manner.
    This is not what I see the Anthonys doing, though. They love KC, yes, but they are participating in THE LIE, continuing to present it to the public in spite of the evidence as if it makes complete sense. They have all lied to LE, to the public, and in my eyes, have made themselves look very foolish. It is a disgrace to Caylee's short life. I do not listen to the Anthony's interviews any longer--haven't since Oct/Nov. It is just the same old story. There will never be anything new or revealing come from their lips. I used to have hope that George would, in the end, be the one to stand up for Caylee, but it appears right now that any hope of that is lost. Finally, I want to say that George and Cindy HAVE lost Caylee, but they aren't really losing Casey. She might be behind bars, maybe for the rest of her life, but she will at least have a life. She will make the most of it. I hate hearing how they are so afraid they are going to lose her too, but even if she gets the DP, they won't lose her for a very very long time.
    re bold: The investigation and trial are going to last longer than Caylee's life did. THAT IS SICKENING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJames View Post
    IMHO One mess up,okay. A second mess up....Hmmmmm. To continue to mess up for nine months pretty much says that's your character.
    Cindy and George quit being victims when they started covering up for KC.Then they became accomplices ,in my book.
    ETA I lost my 15yr old son to suicide .He hung himself in our house.We had a CSI unit go through and were questioned by the coronor and 2 detectives at the hospital,just after we learned our son died.Our children were questioned,so yea,I kinda do know how I would act.We were all honest and wanted the truth.We gave them names and James' computer [he was on just before he died].I am honest about what my son did. He took his own life.And I'm honest enough to feel guilty and full of what if's.

    I am so very sorry for your loss. God Bless

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandk mom View Post
    Making a mistake isn't lying for someone that is ultimately responsible for the welfare of your grandchild. Accident or deliberate, the truth should come out. A mistake isn't telling people a picture of a child could be your granddaughter and she isn't. A mistake isn't flying all over the country (California) looking for your granddaugther, but not searching the neighborhood. A mistake isn't finding out your daughter lied to LE in the search for your granddaughter, and instead of trying to find out the truth, defending the daughter. A mistake is a misunderstanding...there have been no misunderstandings. They have chosen their daughter over their granddaughter.
    I truly believe they clung desperately to the hope Caylee was alive until it was proven she wasn't. They can't bring Caylee back, nothing will. I'm sure deep down they blame themselves for many many things. They love their daughter and will defend her...willingly helping the prosecution secure a death sentence is not something any parent should be expected to do. I know I couldn't. They do love their daughter UNCONDITIONALLY and I can't fault them for that, I just can't.

    They seem to be dysfunctional, but nothing I've seen could have predicted this. I have way more dysfunctional neighbors ...and their children don't end up murdering anyone.

    IMO Casey is somehow defective. I am not excusing anything she's done and she is guilty IMO. No one could have expected it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJames View Post
    IMHO One mess up,okay. A second mess up....Hmmmmm. To continue to mess up for nine months pretty much says that's your character.
    Cindy and George quit being victims when they started covering up for KC.Then they became accomplices ,in my book.
    ETA I lost my 15yr old son to suicide .He hung himself in our house.We had a CSI unit go through and were questioned by the coronor and 2 detectives at the hospital,just after we learned our son died.Our children were questioned,so yea,I kinda do know how I would act.We were all honest and wanted the truth.We gave them names and James' computer [he was on just before he died].I am honest about what my son did. He took his own life.And I'm honest enough to feel guilty and full of what if's.
    Oh my I am so sorry. I know you may not want anyone to reply, I have not read this whole thread yet. I have to say that I can not even say. I do not know what to say. My son died at 16 but he drown in a accident. That was bad enough but what happened to you oh my. I feel so bad for you. I am sorry I am ot, but I just had to say something even if it is not making sence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yolorado View Post
    The issue isn't whether George and Cindy are victims, it's whose victims are they. When they come out and say they are proud of the woman who killed their grandchild, when they ignore evidence and declare her innocence, when they support Caylee's murderer more than seeking justice for Caylee, they are neutralizing their victim status and inviting criticism.
    yolorado, you've said it best! I agree 100%!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJames View Post
    IMHO One mess up,okay. A second mess up....Hmmmmm. To continue to mess up for nine months pretty much says that's your character.
    Cindy and George quit being victims when they started covering up for KC.Then they became accomplices ,in my book.
    ETA I lost my 15yr old son to suicide .He hung himself in our house.We had a CSI unit go through and were questioned by the coronor and 2 detectives at the hospital,just after we learned our son died.Our children were questioned,so yea,I kinda do know how I would act.We were all honest and wanted the truth.We gave them names and James' computer [he was on just before he died].I am honest about what my son did. He took his own life.And I'm honest enough to feel guilty and full of what if's.
    I am so very sorry for your horrific loss, MissJames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda7NJ View Post
    They seem to be dysfunctional, but nothing I've seen could have predicted this. I have way more dysfunctional neighbors ...and their children don't end up murdering anyone.

    IMO Casey is somehow defective. I am not excusing anything she's done and she is guilty IMO. No one could have expected it.
    You are quite right, it was not predictable, but I can't imagine a parent or grandparent waiting 31 days before feeling something very wrong and calling the police. One excuse or two, but not for 31 days.

    I believe C&G knew when they were showing the pics of that little girl that looked like Caylee, they knew quite well Caylee was not alive. Yet they were on the free KC train, and the defense at that point, at the expense of that little girl was, "Try and prove Caylee is even dead." They must have known KC did it, or what explanation could there be for shielding a murder they did not even know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAMABEAR View Post
    I don't want sympathy. I am one mean old woman. Hey, I have chased drug dealers down the road---on foot. I think CA could be the same way. She has a mouth---thats fersur. She chooses not to. We all have decisions to make within our spaces.
    God---I love you guys for puttin up wid me.

    Mamabear - you remind me of my feisty mother (bless her soul). Born and raised in the south - wouldn't put up with nothing. Protected us, but by goodness, if we were wrong we had to face the consequences. I can't even fathom coming to her saying her grandson was gone and I didn't know where he was. She'd probably string me up by my big toes before LE could ever get to me. Don't get me wrong, she could be as sweet as a valentine, but mom also didn't put up with any carp either. We knew better than to lie (she could read us like a book) and heaven forbid if we ever sassed, or cursed in her presence (and I never did either).

    What went on behind the A's doors that KC felt so comfortable dropping the F bombs at her family, stealing their money, and lying like a rug. I can tell you I was certainly raised in a different lifestyle, and am proud of it! As a 46 year old mom, I'm glad my parents were so strict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJames View Post
    IMHO One mess up,okay. A second mess up....Hmmmmm. To continue to mess up for nine months pretty much says that's your character.
    Cindy and George quit being victims when they started covering up for KC.Then they became accomplices ,in my book.
    ETA I lost my 15yr old son to suicide .He hung himself in our house.We had a CSI unit go through and were questioned by the coronor and 2 detectives at the hospital,just after we learned our son died.Our children were questioned,so yea,I kinda do know how I would act.We were all honest and wanted the truth.We gave them names and James' computer [he was on just before he died].I am honest about what my son did. He took his own life.And I'm honest enough to feel guilty and full of what if's.
    I'm so sorry for the loss of your son James. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions. I enjoy your posts very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJames View Post
    IMHO One mess up,okay. A second mess up....Hmmmmm. To continue to mess up for nine months pretty much says that's your character.
    Cindy and George quit being victims when they started covering up for KC.Then they became accomplices ,in my book.
    ETA I lost my 15yr old son to suicide .He hung himself in our house.We had a CSI unit go through and were questioned by the coronor and 2 detectives at the hospital,just after we learned our son died.Our children were questioned,so yea,I kinda do know how I would act.We were all honest and wanted the truth.We gave them names and James' computer [he was on just before he died].I am honest about what my son did. He took his own life.And I'm honest enough to feel guilty and full of what if's.
    Bless you Miss James - you have my most sincere sympathy. I am so sorry for your loss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJames View Post
    IMHO One mess up,okay. A second mess up....Hmmmmm. To continue to mess up for nine months pretty much says that's your character.
    Cindy and George quit being victims when they started covering up for KC.Then they became accomplices ,in my book.
    ETA I lost my 15yr old son to suicide .He hung himself in our house.We had a CSI unit go through and were questioned by the coronor and 2 detectives at the hospital,just after we learned our son died.Our children were questioned,so yea,I kinda do know how I would act.We were all honest and wanted the truth.We gave them names and James' computer [he was on just before he died].I am honest about what my son did. He took his own life.And I'm honest enough to feel guilty and full of what if's.
    I am so sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgardner View Post
    Mamabear - you remind me of my feisty mother (bless her soul). Born and raised in the south - wouldn't put up with nothing. Protected us, but by goodness, if we were wrong we had to face the consequences. I can't even fathom coming to her saying her grandson was gone and I didn't know where he was. She'd probably string me up by my big toes before LE could ever get to me. Don't get me wrong, she could be as sweet as a valentine, but mom also didn't put up with any carp either. We knew better than to lie (she could read us like a book) and heaven forbid if we ever sassed, or cursed in her presence (and I never did either).

    What went on behind the A's doors that KC felt so comfortable dropping the F bombs at her family, stealing their money, and lying like a rug. I can tell you I was certainly raised in a different lifestyle, and am proud of it! As a 46 year old mom, I'm glad my parents were so strict.
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    I was raised the same way. We NEVER said any kind of curse words, and I never ever thought of stealing from my parents. I'm sure I lied from time to time---I did sneak off once when I was very very sick with a high fever so I could play in a 7th grade girls basketball game. My dad was waiting at the gym door for me when the game was over and yes, the coach let me play. For some reason, I didn't really get into trouble over it, but my point is that the things I did that went against my raising were very tame compared to some of the things my own kids have done and certainly what KC did aside from murdering her daughter. I also totally agree with those who state that the Anthonys victimhood stopped when Casey-gate began. Nor do I agree that they are in "denial." It's gone WAY past that. IMO, they know exactly what they are doing. As always, JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USARDOG View Post
    Wonderful topic! I have included directly below, a complete list of all the things C&G have done right in this ordeal:
    Hmmm........yep, I totally agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by masyann View Post
    Oh my I am so sorry. I know you may not want anyone to reply, I have not read this whole thread yet. I have to say that I can not even say. I do not know what to say. My son died at 16 but he drown in a accident. That was bad enough but what happened to you oh my. I feel so bad for you. I am sorry I am ot, but I just had to say something even if it is not making sence.

    I am so very sorry for the loss of your son. God Bless

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJames View Post
    IMHO One mess up,okay. A second mess up....Hmmmmm. To continue to mess up for nine months pretty much says that's your character.
    Cindy and George quit being victims when they started covering up for KC.Then they became accomplices ,in my book.
    ETA I lost my 15yr old son to suicide .He hung himself in our house.We had a CSI unit go through and were questioned by the coronor and 2 detectives at the hospital,just after we learned our son died.Our children were questioned,so yea,I kinda do know how I would act.We were all honest and wanted the truth.We gave them names and James' computer [he was on just before he died].I am honest about what my son did. He took his own life.And I'm honest enough to feel guilty and full of what if's.
    So sorry for your loss. People who deal with situations in a dignified manner like you did should be greatly admired. I think that most people feel guilty and ask what ifs for such losses so that is normal. The fact that you do have such questions in itself means that you cared enough. We all have regrets and I hope that your heart will ache less each day. May God bless you and your family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shgrbkr View Post
    I was raised the same way. We NEVER said any kind of curse words, and I never ever thought of stealing from my parents. I'm sure I lied from time to time---I did sneak off once when I was very very sick with a high fever so I could play in a 7th grade girls basketball game. My dad was waiting at the gym door for me when the game was over and yes, the coach let me play. For some reason, I didn't really get into trouble over it, but my point is that the things I did that went against my raising were very tame compared to some of the things my own kids have done and certainly what KC did aside from murdering her daughter. I also totally agree with those who state that the Anthonys victimhood stopped when Casey-gate began. Nor do I agree that they are in "denial." It's gone WAY past that. IMO, they know exactly what they are doing. As always, JMO.
    My dad had my 24 year old brother arrested in our own front yard one early Sunday morning. He went out to get the paper. My sweet Bubba was half in and half out of the car dead drunk. Pop called the cops, he spent the rest of the day until Monday AM in the jail. Pop informed him he should not have even been driving and he would not put up with this kind of crap in his home. Didn't happen again at his house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DotsEyes View Post
    CA and GA learned the hard way that the media is not a group of unbiased reporters. Lesson here is don't talk to the media about anything. They will edit, reverse chronology of events and words and only use the sensational snippets of words, not in context and not in whole.

    I don't know how anyone can go from being a private person one day and then thrust into the media the next with news trucks, 24/7 live streams of their front yard, lights, protestors yelling at the house and people gathered in front of the house waiting to pounce, without messing up.

    I would have turned on the sprinklers, pointed to the sidewalk to soak everyone who came near and never even looked at the cameras.
    I'm confused...are you saying that the media has misrepresented the A's?

    I'd have to disagreeeeeee 100% with that opinion.

    In fact, I think if anything the editing, reverse chronologizing (my new word!) of events and words has been done 99% of the time by who????

    Can I get an..."A"...in fact any "A" will do!

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    Good word by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassy_texasbelle2 View Post
    My dad had my 24 year old brother arrested in our own front yard one early Sunday morning. He went out to get the paper. My sweet Bubba was half in and half out of the car dead drunk. Pop called the cops, he spent the rest of the day until Monday AM in the jail. Pop informed him he should not have even been driving and he would not put up with this kind of crap in his home. Didn't happen again at his house.
    Kinda seems like your Poppa could have taught the "A's" a thing or two about parenting, huh?

    This is for your Poppa......good job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabellamoure View Post
    Kinda seems like your Poppa could have taught the "A's" a thing or two about parenting, huh?

    This is for your Poppa......good job!
    Yes, he was a wonderful, kind, loving man. I was very lucky. He was my stepfather. He taught us the things that needed to be taught, which seem to have been forgotten now days. If I had ever cursed at him I would have been eating my teeth for dinner. Good Southern values are hard lessons at times, but well worth it as you grow older.

    He would have loved that kiss from you. He could never pass up a kisss from a pretty lady. LOL I will pass it on to him for sure.
    God Bless honey.

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    Thanks to all of you that self edited, so we don't have to do it.

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