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    Arrow Marc Klaas Calls For An Amber Alert Revision

    After watching Marc Klaas on Nancy Grace speaking up about how the Amber Alert is not being utilized in many cases across the country to expedite recovery in abductions, I am hoping he will come here to work with us on having the guidelines revised. It is time for action instead of discussion.

    My opinion is the guidelines were never meant to be used as steadfast rules. I have watched many cases where one or more suggested factors of the criteria were not met and the acting law enforcement agencies did not call for an AA. I have also watched children die because the public was not made aware of the missing children immediately.

    This needs to change. If the Amber Alert were used properly on a case by case basis without the stringent rules applied to the guidelines, we would give those abducted a fighting chance to be found within the first few hours. A child in immediate danger due to a known abduction should not be excluded because of no vehicle description or lack of the perp's description.

    Having the guidelines revised to give LE a real understanding of how it should be used could save more children in the future.

    Bravo, Mr. Klaas!! Everything you stated on Nancy Grace (5-5-09) was on target! The message was very clear. I want you to know people are listening and are willing to help in any way to make changes in our Amber Alert system nationwide. Point us in the right direction and we will be behind you to fight for those changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    After watching Marc Klaas on Nancy Grace speaking up about how the Amber Alert is not being utilized in many cases across the country to expedite recovery in abductions, I am hoping he will come here to work with us on having the guidelines revised. It is time for action instead of discussion.

    My opinion is the guidelines were never meant to be used as steadfast rules. I have watched many cases where one or more suggested factors of the criteria were not met and the acting law enforcement agencies did not call for an AA. I have also watched children die because the public was not made aware of the missing children immediately.

    This needs to change. If the Amber Alert were used properly on a case by case basis without the stringent rules applied to the guidelines, we would give those abducted a fighting chance to be found within the first few hours. A child in immediate danger due to a known abduction should not be excluded because of no vehicle description or lack of the perp's description.

    Having the guidelines revised to give LE a real understanding of how it should be used could save more children in the future.

    Bravo, Mr. Klaas!! Everything you stated on Nancy Grace (5-5-09) was on target! The message was very clear. I want you to know people are listening and are willing to help in any way to make changes in our Amber Alert system nationwide. Point us in the right direction and we will be behind you to fight for those changes.
    Yes SS! We agree on this subject for sure. I too would like to be pointed in the right direction as to how I can be proactive on this topic.....one more child gone is one too many!

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    Thank you, Mark, for all that you do and to SS for starting this thread.

    I definitely believe there needs to be more flexibility on issuing AAs on a national level. I also feel that there needs to be consistency on how states/counties issue AAs.

    I simply cannot understand why there was never an AA issued for Adji, though I got the one for Haleigh (ironically, during Caylee's memorial service), as both cases did not have a description of the car nor the perp.

    Personally, I would rather see more AAs and potentially more saved children, than less! IMHO, anytime a child (especially younger ones) are missing, they are in danger, whether or not they are actually abducted by a stranger!

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    I would be willing to help work on this also. I agree the Amber Alert guidelines need to be redone. There is too much time going by before one gets issued, if it does at all. Hopefully Mark can give us some guidance as to what to do.

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    Lesley Perez, 4 yo missing out of South Texas. Amber Alert did not go out for 7 hours. She went missing at 9:00pm and the AA was issued at 4:00am. They had a limited description of the vehicle and the perp since there were witnesses to the abduction.

    Another case where it was ineffective due to red tape and indecision, imo. Something needs to be done!!
    "WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
    THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

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    Lindsey Baum - No AA

    Both the parents and investigators expressed frustration Wednesday that Lindsey had not qualified for an Amber Alert notice when she first went missing. The alert usually requires some sort of suspect or vehicle description, which authorities did not have.

    Melissa Baum said the system could have still been used to broadcast Lindsey’s photo and contact information in the first vital hours of her disappearance. She hopes changes can be made to allow for more flexibility in the system, which rapidly distributes missing child information to media and law enforcement throughout the area.

    “I definitely think that there need to be some changes,” she said. “The guidelines that the state has are too strict.”

    Scott said authorities had to figure out their own sort of public notice, spending a lot of time making calls and distributing information throughout the region. He shares the family’s frustration of not knowing whether an Amber Alert would have made a difference in finding Lindsey.

    “In the future, I don’t want to have to wonder,” he said.

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    This is the day and age of instant mobile technology. WE CAN DO BETTER. The Amber Alarm system can be made so much more powerful if we can use what is already out there. Just think- a simple text could go to everyone's cell phone by their service provider. Think of what that could do to get the information out there.

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    As those of you before me have stated, a change of the system is long overdue. I don't know how many children we have to lose before something is done but I think it's time we stood up and DEMAND a change. I'm SO angry! It seems nearly every day we turn on the news and it's another child! GONE! VANISHED! And then....murdered. Thrown in the trash like garbage. ....Or never seen again. And as Rose stated, in this age of instant technology there is NO reason we can't flash a photo and the info we DO have if there is no auto involved! We need to change our AA system! We need to tell our officials that the system in force is just not acceptable any longer. WE CAN DO BETTER! We need to stand up for our children and say ENOUGH is ENOUGH! GRRRRRRR!!!!

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    Nine year old Elizabeth Olten left her friends house at 6:15 pm,her parents called the police at 7:00 pm,merely 45 minutes had passed for the crime to have begun. No Amber Alert! If one had been issued IMMEDIATELY, I can't help but wonder if they could have found her in time. The people in the area could have gotten out and searched immediately,they turned out in droves once they DID hear about the missing child. All those people in those woods IMMEDIATELY after she was reported missing....think about it. She may very well still be with us. We need change in the Amber Alert laws NOW!!!!

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    First, I do not know what the Amber Alert guidelines are. That said, if you "read between the lines" of Marc's statement, I would guess the simple guidelines are: known perpetrator and/or discription, known vehicle license and/or description, and most important, known abduction.

    How would you change this? Should we use the Amber Alert for every parent who is worried about the location of their child?

    I would not want the Amber Alert system to be overused too the point where it becomes useless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseWhite View Post
    This is the day and age of instant mobile technology. WE CAN DO BETTER. The Amber Alarm system can be made so much more powerful if we can use what is already out there. Just think- a simple text could go to everyone's cell phone by their service provider. Think of what that could do to get the information out there.
    If I got a text alert for every child that is determined "missing" by parents, I would treat it just like a car alarm - ignore it and get away from the noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniperacer View Post
    First, I do not know what the Amber Alert guidelines are. That said, if you "read between the lines" of Marc's statement, I would guess the simple guidelines are: known perpetrator and/or discription, known vehicle license and/or description, and most important, known abduction.

    How would you change this? Should we use the Amber Alert for every parent who is worried about the location of their child?

    I would not want the Amber Alert system to be overused too the point where it becomes useless.
    It can be changed by allowing the authorities to issue alerts based on their own best judgement that an abduction has occured and not on hard set rules,such as needing the description of the car and/or abductor. Most kidnappings don't have a witness handy for such information yet a child can still be found if we (the public) know they're missing in the first place.

    It needs flexability,if people are alerted to obviously suspect cases,such as the Olten case,they'd be able to choose to act.

    I wouldn't want it overused either,but if it can't be used in cases that could benefit from it,then what's the point?

    Personally,if some young child is missing in my neighborhood,I'd like to know and have a chance to try to help. If it turns out to be a false alarm,that's fine,but if it isn't,then the chances of finding and saving the child increases.

    When a child goes missing,time is of the essence,the faster the general public know,the faster we can help by getting out there and searching.

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    Oh,I just thought to add something. There's a widespread misunderstanding of the Amber Alert system that is making the situation worse.
    Many people think that if a missing child were really in danger that an Amber Alert will be issued. If one isn't,then it must not be a "big deal" missing kid case. They then ignore it,not take it seriously.

    The issuance of an Amber Alert has NOTHING to do with how serious a case is,it's based on whether or not there's a *known* description of the abductor and/or vehicle.

    So basically the changes Klaas wants would just form the laws into what the general public already think it is.

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    Around here, most of the Amber Alerts have a vehicle description, license plate, and later we find out they even had a perpetrator name.

    Why?

    Whenever we see a car type and license plate we know it is because of an simple (ex-)spouse taking the kids due to a family court / custody dispute.

    I can not recall seeing any other "type" of Ambert Alert.

    IMO, some reform needs to be done.

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    I agree, the Amber Alert system should never be used for any sort of custody disputes,that would definately destroy the purpose of Amber Alerts.

    It should ONLY be used in cases where there is obvious extreme danger involved. If one parent murders the other parent and takes off with the kids,that would be an Amber Alert scenerio,but not in cases where it's a non-endangered "parental abduction".

    Unfortunately,parental abductions are often mixed in with endangered missing/abductions and HAVE watered down some prior systems like the milk carton "Have you seen me" ads of the past (Dunno if they're still around).

    Such abductions,where the child is NOT in extreme, immediate danger,need a system of their own and ONLY endangered abducted kids should be featured in an Amber Alert.IMO.

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