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    Question What If............(IDI+RDI)

    I know that this sounds far fetched,
    but what if John or Patsy(whoever it was if it was one of them who did it) had an accomplice,hence the unknown male DNA.
    What if it was JR+intruder or PR+intruder or PR+JR+intruder(sexual games,whatever,no idea)
    You never know these days......

    And by intruder I mean a friend or a co-worker,could be also someone they/he/she just met.
    Ramsey case: "Instead of being the DNA of one person, they have instead created a composite of someone who does not exist. "

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    not in that context,but what if someone else could have redressed her?? what if it was just too hard for them,plus they wanted to throw another element into the mix?? anyone who had the potential to be there should be checked,IMO.
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    I know that this sounds far fetched,
    but what if John or Patsy(whoever it was if it was one of them who did it) had an accomplice,hence the unknown male DNA.
    What if it was JR+intruder or PR+intruder or PR+JR+intruder(sexual games,whatever,no idea)
    You never know these days......

    And by intruder I mean a friend or a co-worker,could be also someone they/he/she just met.



    I don't really think this now, but my first reaction on hearing about this crime and mistaking the principals (I thought it was one of the little girls from 'Painted Babies' who had been harmed and was still thinking it was just a kidnapping) was to think that the family had orchestrated a faux kidnapping to get JBR a sympathy advantage in the pageants. Certainly one or two of the mothers in that documentary struck me as unhinged enough to do something like that. Of course, now I can't believe that I ever had so loony an initial reaction but, oddly, when my book group was on a true crime run a few months ago and read ST's book, one of the women suggested the very same thing. Loonies think alike I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMO8778 View Post
    not in that context,but what if someone else could have redressed her?? what if it was just too hard for them,plus they wanted to throw another element into the mix?? anyone who had the potential to be there should be checked,IMO.
    yeah,takes us back to the phone records issue.who did they call and why?
    Ramsey case: "Instead of being the DNA of one person, they have instead created a composite of someone who does not exist. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    I know that this sounds far fetched,
    but what if John or Patsy(whoever it was if it was one of them who did it) had an accomplice,hence the unknown male DNA.
    What if it was JR+intruder or PR+intruder or PR+JR+intruder(sexual games,whatever,no idea)
    You never know these days......

    And by intruder I mean a friend or a co-worker,could be also someone they/he/she just met.
    That's my brother's theory. But he refuses to have it printed here.
    I'm as mad as HELL and I'm NOT gonna take it anymore!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    I know that this sounds far fetched,
    but what if John or Patsy(whoever it was if it was one of them who did it) had an accomplice,hence the unknown male DNA.
    What if it was JR+intruder or PR+intruder or PR+JR+intruder(sexual games,whatever,no idea)
    You never know these days......

    And by intruder I mean a friend or a co-worker,could be also someone they/he/she just met.
    We refer to the prophesy of the one who will bring balance to the Force.

    You believe it is this...female?

    She can see things others don't see.

    Don't forget BDI + IDI

    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    "And so this pedophile kidnapper, this pedophile-ransomer-kidnapper-turned-murderer would have been unique in the annals of crime. Such a bird does not exist." ST
    (not in this case,I agree)
    ST should look up Bobby Frank, Leopold & Loeb murder. It's hard to believe two rich Univ of Chicago students who studied the philosophy of Fredrich Nietzsche with IQ 190 and 160 don't have something better to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    yeah,takes us back to the phone records issue.who did they call and why?
    We'll never know. DA Hunter refused to grant a subpoena for the phone records. Months later, the records were obtained illegally by a tabloid, and though they were admitted as evidence in THAT case against the tabloid involved, they were not permitted to be used as evidence in JBR's murder. Ever.
    But, ominously- some of the phone records (I believe it was the cell phone) showed NO calls made in December. Right....
    THIS time, we get it RIGHT!

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    ..obviously someone was paid heavy duty to make those calls disappear!!
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    yeah,takes us back to the phone records issue.who did they call and why?
    like Deedee said,we'll never know for sure,BUT...IMO,the Stine's were one of those calls,seeing as they were the last outside the family to see JB alive (supposedly).Even so,the R's didn't call them to come over the next morning (even though they were good friends,too),along w everyone else they called.It's their lack of presence that makes it suspect.That,and then there was Susan Stine crawling the web,and putting out fake emails to LE,etc.....IMO,she was on the net trying to see what might have leaked out about their own knowledge and or involvement in it.
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMO8778 View Post
    like Deedee said,we'll never know for sure,BUT...IMO,the Stine's were one of those calls,seeing as they were the last outside the family to see JB alive (supposedly).Even so,the R's didn't call them to come over the next morning (even though they were good friends,too),along w everyone else they called.It's their lack of presence that makes it suspect.That,and then there was Susan Stine crawling the web,and putting out fake emails to LE,etc.....IMO,she was on the net trying to see what might have leaked out about their own knowledge and or involvement in it.
    That sounds likely to me as well. I am beginning to believe more and more that phone calls were made for help that night- sometime between 10 pm and the 6 am 911 call. So that would help explain the "How could parents do this (the staging) to their own child" thing. If the calls were to the Stines, and they were the ones there all night helping with the staging, that would explain their absence from the friends who were called that morning. It would explain very well the viciousness with which SS went after anyone sniffing around the Rs as suspects as well as the illegal lengths she went to (impersonating an officer and the "Patricia Letters". )
    THIS time, we get it RIGHT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    I know that this sounds far fetched,
    but what if John or Patsy(whoever it was if it was one of them who did it) had an accomplice,hence the unknown male DNA.
    What if it was JR+intruder or PR+intruder or PR+JR+intruder(sexual games,whatever,no idea)
    You never know these days......

    And by intruder I mean a friend or a co-worker,could be also someone they/he/she just met.
    They've been down that road or speculation. There is no history that PR or JR were into sexual games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai View Post
    They've been down that road or speculation. There is no history that PR or JR were into sexual games.
    I agree here. I think that tongues wagged about the Ramseys and things like that would simply not stay secret.
    THIS time, we get it RIGHT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai View Post
    They've been down that road or speculation. There is no history that PR or JR were into sexual games.
    There's a start for everything.
    Ramsey case: "Instead of being the DNA of one person, they have instead created a composite of someone who does not exist. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    I know that this sounds far fetched,
    but what if John or Patsy(whoever it was if it was one of them who did it) had an accomplice,hence the unknown male DNA.
    What if it was JR+intruder or PR+intruder or PR+JR+intruder(sexual games,whatever,no idea)
    You never know these days......

    And by intruder I mean a friend or a co-worker,could be also someone they/he/she just met.

    Personally speaking

    I think if a Ramsey is involved, your scenario is the only possible way that could be true. To me every other theory does not hold water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    There's a start for everything.
    You are absolutely right. For every behavior there is a FIRST time. Ever smoker has a "first cigarette". Every alcoholic has a first drink. That is why it upsets me whenever I see the Rs dismissed as suspects because there was no prior behavior. EVERY "prior" starts somewhere, whether a serial killer of family abuser.
    THIS time, we get it RIGHT!

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