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    CA - Father Accused Of Eating His 4yo Child's Eye, Bakersfield, 28 April 2009

    The 4 year old boy who is victim of the assault is now blind,Truly Awful...

    http://www.turnto23.com/east_county/...81/detail.html

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    This was posted in Crimes in the News
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    this story is so freaking sad though
    That poor baby

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    Cool Thanks for letting me know, I hadn't been to Crimes In...

    the News yet so didn't see it posted there

    I didn't know PCP was even still around, (apparently it was being abused in the DC area a couple of years ago & DC police were seeing a lot of resulting crazy behaviour & crime) it was used as a veterinary analgesic and anaesthetic but is no longer used in veterinary medicine since 1978 due to bad health affects it caused on animals

    I found an informational link about PCP at emedicine.com, this is a bad drug:
    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1010821-overview
    Last edited by Shari_Gal; 05-19-2009 at 03:48 PM. Reason: adding a link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shari_Gal View Post
    the news yet so didn't see it posted there

    In re this terrible crime, I didn't know PCP was even still around in the drug world, it was originally a veterinary analgesic and anaesthetic but is no longer used in veterinary medicine since 1978 due to bad health affects it caused on animals

    You're right - it's a terrible drug, Shari_Gal - I posted a link to some PCP info on the other thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southcitymom View Post
    You're right - it's a terrible drug, Shari_Gal - I posted a link to some PCP info on the other thread.
    It is a bad drug but there ain't no way that I can see it causing anyone to do something like this!! It was one of the more available recreational drugs when I was younger, and I did more than my fair share of it - along with 3/4 of the students at the school (it was a small school with only a couple hundred students). Main thing that it does as far as altering the senses is make you numb - physically - you can prick yourself with a needle and not feel a thing. No hallucinations, no imagined super powers, but perhaps stronger than normal because you don't feel pain. No real impairment of physical, emotional or mental abilities. (Well it is kind of hard to walk because your legs feel like rubber on the inside but numb on the outside.) But I never saw it make anyone want to hurt others, or themselves, or anything like that. I mean seriously I was able to maintain an A average with no problem at all and stayed out of trouble, too. That said, if you take it for several days in a row you will get burned out and your body almost forces you to take a break.

    But no! no! no! There is no way I can believe that PCP had anything to do with his vile and evil act! No drug rehab for this monster - a hypodermic needle would be the best solution for all concerned!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by maconrich View Post
    It is a bad drug but there ain't no way that I can see it causing anyone to do something like this!! It was one of the more available recreational drugs when I was younger, and I did more than my fair share of it - along with 3/4 of the students at the school (it was a small school with only a couple hundred students). Main thing that it does as far as altering the senses is make you numb - physically - you can prick yourself with a needle and not feel a thing. No hallucinations, no imagined super powers, but perhaps stronger than normal because you don't feel pain. No real impairment of physical, emotional or mental abilities. (Well it is kind of hard to walk because your legs feel like rubber on the inside but numb on the outside.) But I never saw it make anyone want to hurt others, or themselves, or anything like that. I mean seriously I was able to maintain an A average with no problem at all and stayed out of trouble, too. That said, if you take it for several days in a row you will get burned out and your body almost forces you to take a break.

    But no! no! no! There is no way I can believe that PCP had anything to do with his vile and evil act! No drug rehab for this monster - a hypodermic needle would be the best solution for all concerned!!
    You are absolutely right about small amounts of PCP. As with any drug, there is a difference between use and abuse. It's pretty well-documented that taking large amounts and injecting it often leads to self-mutilation AND mutilation of others is not uncommon at all.

    One poster on the other thread spoke about a case of a man walking down the street eating a live puppy. The Father in this case hacked his ankles and feet up with an ax after he assaulted his son. If you want, you can find quite a few stories involving PCP abuse that are similar to this one.

    Here is part of the post I made on the other thread:

    We do know that the effects of PCP mimic mental illness (http://www.enotes.com/drugs-substanc...e/effects-body) before causing full blown mental illness.

    There are a fair amount of stories this gruesome when PCP is involved and that's because the drug causes a strong and frightening feeling of detachment - people under the drug's influence can literally look at their own body parts and not realize those body parts are attached to them. Likewise, people can be completely disconnected and unaware of body parts attached to another person.

    Such a very sad story and the child could have been injured even more than he was. I hope, of course, that his father will be placed somewhere where he is no longer a danger to others.
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    What beautiful eyes that child had. I just can't quit thinking about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southcitymom View Post


    (respectfully snipped)
    We do know that the effects of PCP mimic mental illness (http://www.enotes.com/drugs-substanc...e/effects-body) before causing full blown mental illness.

    There are a fair amount of stories this gruesome when PCP is involved and that's because the drug causes a strong and frightening feeling of detachment - people under the drug's influence can literally look at their own body parts and not realize those body parts are attached to them. Likewise, people can be completely disconnected and unaware of body parts attached to another person.

    Such a very sad story and the child could have been injured even more than he was. I hope, of course, that his father will be placed somewhere where he is no longer a danger to others.
    Seems like a lot of drugs are being injected these days and the results aren't good (with OxyContin being toward the top of the list lately). It makes me wonder if there are underlying mental health issues / personality disorders to start with which the drug use intensifies, more than the drugs being responsible for the behaviors... That said, I can see where PCP could cause disassociation, but I can't see anyone in their "right" mind carrying out actions that are contrary to basic humanity. Then again I put a lot of emphasis on individual responsibility and have a hard time with theories of addiction which put people in the role of victims instead of active participants.

    This father does need to be put away regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maconrich View Post
    Seems like a lot of drugs are being injected these days and the results aren't good (with OxyContin being toward the top of the list lately). It makes me wonder if there are underlying mental health issues / personality disorders to start with which the drug use intensifies, more than the drugs being responsible for the behaviors... That said, I can see where PCP could cause disassociation, but I can't see anyone in their "right" mind carrying out actions that are contrary to basic humanity. Then again I put a lot of emphasis on individual responsibility and have a hard time with theories of addiction which put people in the role of victims instead of active participants.

    This father does need to be put away regardless.
    Yeah - he definitely wasn't in his right mind. With PCP abuse, its hard to know if mental illness came first, but if he was a regular abuser, it surely followed eventually that he was mentally ill.

    And you are right that, regardless, he is not a safe person and he needs to be somewhere where he can do no danger and perhaps get help.

    ETA: While I accept the disease model of addiction, I completely agree that addicts are active participants in the insanity of addiction. That said, I have empathy for anyone who battles addiction/substance abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southcitymom View Post
    (respectfully snipped)

    ETA: While I accept the disease model of addiction, I completely agree that addicts are active participants in the insanity of addiction. That said, I have empathy for anyone who battles addiction/substance abuse.
    ICAM!! When people demonstrate the desire, determination & motivation I'm with them 100%!! It's the woe is me, a zillion excuses why whatever drug made them do something, or why they can't quit stuff that I can't get behind.

    With this man, if it really was the drugs, I don't see how he'll be able to live with what he did...
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