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    47 Million Yr Old Transitional Primate Fossil Found

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    This is the COOLEST !! That some of the flesh and organs are preserved is a major contribution to the science. There have not been too many primate fossils found in Europe and so this is an important find for that region as well. VERY BIG.

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    Evolution? Primate roots?

    Does this mean I'm not special?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Evolution? Primate roots?

    Does this mean I'm not special?!
    Just the opposite, my dear Nova!

    It means we will be able to discover just how special you are!
    .... ....... My posts are my opinion, only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypros View Post
    This is the COOLEST !! That some of the flesh and organs are preserved is a major contribution to the science. There have not been too many primate fossils found in Europe and so this is an important find for that region as well. VERY BIG.

    Yes! The fact this was found in Germany instead of Africa was a shock. It has long been thought that our roots are in Africa and then to find this fossil in Germany throws a wrench into that. If Ida actually IS the missing link that connects the two strains of primates that broke off then how did later homonids get to Africa? The possibilities are numerous. There were the findings that were just released about the 'hobbit' people found off the coast of Indonesia that they were an entirely different species of early human that came from a species that has yet to be discovered. Ida may help show that early on there were more species of primitive humans than we thought.

    Thank you guys for posting! It is nice to know that everyone doesn't think this is just crazy-talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smart blonde View Post
    Just the opposite, my dear Nova!

    It means we will be able to discover just how special you are!


    Ah, exactly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smart blonde View Post
    Just the opposite, my dear Nova!

    It means we will be able to discover just how special you are!
    Well, in that case, OK!



    But my Jewish friends aren't going to be happy to hear we're all descended from some German!

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    Tonight on the History Channel the premiere of The Link is on at 9:00est. It is all about this discovery and what it means. I am sure they will be replaying it throughout the month so keep your eyes out for if you're interested. My computer is acting funky or else I would look up when it is going to air again. Tomorrow I will from my work computer.
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    This is indeed an amazing discovery.

    We are much older than we thought!!!

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    The History Channel website has a great comprehensive section up about Ida.

    http://www.revealingthelink.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaia227 View Post
    Yes! The fact this was found in Germany instead of Africa was a shock. It has long been thought that our roots are in Africa and then to find this fossil in Germany throws a wrench into that. If Ida actually IS the missing link that connects the two strains of primates that broke off then how did later homonids get to Africa? The possibilities are numerous. There were the findings that were just released about the 'hobbit' people found off the coast of Indonesia that they were an entirely different species of early human that came from a species that has yet to be discovered. Ida may help show that early on there were more species of primitive humans than we thought.

    Thank you guys for posting! It is nice to know that everyone doesn't think this is just crazy-talk.
    Oh, I don't think this has any affect on the African origins of homonids. This fossil is 47 million years old and the earliest hominids are only 3-4 million years old. There are enough fossils in Africa in the interim to show that hominids evolved in Africa. The European location of this fossil is mostly interesting, IMO, because the preservation condition are generally not so good and there are not so many primate remains in that region. I am interested in learning what condition led to the preservation of the fleshy parts of the body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypros View Post
    Oh, I don't think this has any affect on the African origins of homonids. This fossil is 47 million years old and the earliest hominids are only 3-4 million years old. There are enough fossils in Africa in the interim to show that hominids evolved in Africa. The European location of this fossil is mostly interesting, IMO, because the preservation condition are generally not so good and there are not so many primate remains in that region. I am interested in learning what condition led to the preservation of the fleshy parts of the body.
    So you want us to believe the "Missing Link" (or rather, her sister, since the ML herself doesn't appear to be a direct ancestor) walked to Africa? In only 43 million years? Sheesh!

    Seriously, you're right, of course: this discovery doesn't preclude hominids originating in Africa.

    But current theory of African origination is based on relatively few fossils. And the Hobbits found on Flores apparently did not descend from Homo Erectus, the hominid previously believed to be the one who made it "out of Africa" and into Asia.

    So at the very least, the recent discoveries might cause us to question to the tendancy of a few scientists and LOTS of journalists to construct a Grand Prehistorical Narrative after each new find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypros View Post
    Oh, I don't think this has any affect on the African origins of homonids. This fossil is 47 million years old and the earliest hominids are only 3-4 million years old. There are enough fossils in Africa in the interim to show that hominids evolved in Africa. The European location of this fossil is mostly interesting, IMO, because the preservation condition are generally not so good and there are not so many primate remains in that region. I am interested in learning what condition led to the preservation of the fleshy parts of the body.

    Yeah, I'll give you that. I think I was little over-excited about it the other day and wasn't really thinking big picture.

    Ida was found in the Messel Pits in Germany. The Messel Pits have been a haunt for fossil hunters for a long time because of the abundance of Eocine era well-preserved fossils.

    This link below talks about why these animals were so well perserved.
    The lake was formed by a crater filling up with rain water so there were no rivers or lakes draining into and it became very deep and still and the water contained very little oxygen and little bacteria.

    When Ida died she ended up in the lake, sunk to the bottom and settled into the ooze of mud along the bottom.

    http://www.revealingthelink.com/the-...ery/messel-pit
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    Ardi Fossil New Piece for the Evolution Puzzle

    http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...7200-1,00.html

    In a series of studies published in the Oct. 2 special issue of Science 11 papers by a total of 47 authors from 10 countries researchers unveiled Ardi, a 125-piece hominid skeleton that is 1.2 million years older than the celebrated Lucy (Australopithecus afarensis) and by far the oldest one ever found. Tim White of the University of California, Berkeley, a co-leader of the Middle Awash research team that discovered and studied the new fossils, says, "To understand the biology, the parts you really want are the skull and teeth, the pelvis, the limbs and the hands and the feet. And we have all of them."


    much more at link...very interesting

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    This is so cool. We had just covered Ardipithecus in class last Monday and then this report came out. The students were so excited to see a big news report that was directly related to what they were learning in class. They understood the significance of some of the characteristics of "Ardi" (namely bipedalism in a forested environment) and were able to knowledgeably discuss the ramifications of this finding in a way they could not have done just a few weeks ago. I love it when you can see the lights suddenly flash on behind their eyes!

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