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    Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt6

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    Quote Originally Posted by adnoid View Post
    It's entirely possible CC painted himself into a corner - promising the gal in Florida that it was over with his wife, they were splitting up, etc. Then she orders invitations and it all comes crashing down on him.

    One way to resolve it would be to tell the truth, of course.
    Telling the truth is always the best of choice someone should make. However, I have a feeling that we will find CC was pathological in this area. Built himself up in self importance, etc. I do agree, though. It all caught up with him and it did come crashing down. Horrifically, Sheri, Gavin, and Garett paid with their innocent lives. What an s.o.b.
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".

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    Quote Originally Posted by adnoid View Post
    It's entirely possible CC painted himself into a corner - promising the gal in Florida that it was over with his wife, they were splitting up, etc. Then she orders invitations and it all comes crashing down on him.

    One way to resolve it would be to tell the truth, of course.
    This was my thought when I heard about the invites. Guys like this definitely do not react well to being cornered. Mark Hacking felt that Lori was going to make his world come crashing down by exposing him for the liar he was. He just couldn't handle that. I guess in their minds it's better to kill someone than to face the humiliation and embarrasement of being outed.

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    Loose thoughts after catching up reading.

    Wedding invitations:
    Do we have a source, rumor or otherwise for the wedding invitations. The last thread contained something about it from a "comment board" -- but I am unaware if this has been responsibly backed or if it is just one loose rumor from one person on a comment board. Can we get any type of responsible, even rumor, source for this?

    Clothing and spray paint:
    In the early videos (first day of crime), there was activity at the passenger side of Chris' vehicle, I remember the video and see it reflected in my mind. I kept thinking -- what is happening there. I see now we are revisiting this, and if I am correct in my memory, it seems as if something was being lifted off of the floor on the passenger side and handed to someone else. Was it a gym bag? [Does anyone have a link to that exact video?]

    What clothes did Chris leave in that AM? Might this have been captured in a video of him leaving the house, tract or entering the gym? Was a shirt pulled off while he was driving away and thrown into the road median? Did he put another on? OR was there a shirt that was on Chris when he entered the gym that was not found in the gym bag when he returned home? Why would that be? IF there were a shirt with "paint speckles" ever in that bag, could those paint speckles be found in that bag? Surely after the bodies were found -- he didn't go fiddle with that gym bag again did he? There were neighbors watching from across the street who saw him enter the house and come out, surely they reported his steps upon that exit?

    Shower...was there any sign that Chris had a shower before he left the house? Why would he shower there if he was going to the gym to work out and would probably shower there?

    Marks to Chris' body (if it was examined not long after the murder):
    Neighbors saw him flailing, rolling, did they see him hitting his face, head -- scratching it, scratching his arms and hands?

    Was there any sign in that house that a paint thinner or any such thing was used to remove paint speckles, rags with paint thinner etc? How about in the neighbor's trash cans? Is there water based spray paint? How about the dampness that has been rumored in the basement -- signs of washing off paint speckles?

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    My $0.02

    Good morning all!

    Read thru last nite's postings & have a couple of things to add.

    * re: "JMM is a she-devil" message on the wall -- I read those comments @ the P-D and this is another case of a poster being sarcastic
    * Melly's comments re: CC's saying he wanted cats....I thought the same thing when I saw the mention of 'cats' twice, and not dogs given his MP/K-9 cop background...then I thought 'Oh yeah...what my b/f said in his crude guy way'....let's just say there's another word for cat & it's not kitty....this fits in with CC wanting his new life of freedom to do as he wants which is my b/f's theory.

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    I'm responding to the below post (respectfully snipped) from the last thread. You know, CC could have pulled a Brad Cooper and ran out after he killed his family and bought the red paint. Are the Walmart's there open 24 hours like they are here?

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    I doubt Sheri knew anything until the end. That likely what caused a fight that resulted in her death. It just was not CC's timing. He might have bought the red spray paint months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    I'm responding to the below post (respectfully snipped) from the last thread. You know, CC could have pulled a Brad Cooper and ran out after he killed his family and bought the red paint. Are the Walmart's there open 24 hours like they are here?

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    I doubt Sheri knew anything until the end. That likely what caused a fight that resulted in her death. It just was not CC's timing. He might have bought the red spray paint months ago.

    I thought of that too, Suzi. The Walmart on Telegraph is open 24 hours...and you can make it in 5 minutes....at that time of night.

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    I guess if the invites were dated for 2010, then the wedding wasn't imminent, backing CC into a corner.

    If the rumor is true that SC and CC were seperated, I wonder if CC simply realized how much a divorce was going to cost him?

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    Resourcing...

    My earliest resource to wedding invitations is this:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3773866&postcount=773"]From Opinion8ed, Post #773[/ame]

    >>Sources tell me he had her over to that other house in St Louis many times and she already had the wedding invitations ordered. <<

    Opinion8ed, can you help us with the above? Were your sources people to whom you spoke but cannot reveal, but feel that they are trustworthy? Or ?
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    Hello SuziQ,

    Thanks for the new thread... You started this whole set of threads, thanks -- wanted to recognize you

    You wrote:
    >>If the rumor is true that SC and CC were seperated, I wonder if CC simply realized how much a divorce was going to cost him? <<

    True enough, but as one of our posters said (and I wish I could recall who first said it to recognize their thoughts), if he were setting up a murder, a divorce would not be in his list of costs.
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    Anyone know what JMM's beliefs are about divorce? could that have factored?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrinkles View Post
    Resourcing...

    My earliest resource to wedding invitations is this:

    From Opinion8ed, Post #773

    >>Sources tell me he had her over to that other house in St Louis many times and she already had the wedding invitations ordered. <<

    Opinion8ed, can you help us with the above? Were your sources people to whom you spoke but cannot reveal, but feel that they are trustworthy? Or ?

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    They have always been trustworthy IMO and yes I spoke with them,but can not reveal my sources. Dates of invitations were not mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrinkles View Post
    Hello SuziQ,

    Thanks for the new thread... You started this whole set of threads, thanks -- wanted to recognize you

    You wrote:
    >>If the rumor is true that SC and CC were seperated, I wonder if CC simply realized how much a divorce was going to cost him? <<

    True enough, but as one of our posters said (and I wish I could recall who first said it to recognize their thoughts), if he were setting up a murder, a divorce would not be in his list of costs.
    Thanks!

    I'm thinking the cost of property division, child support, alimony, etc, of the divorce could have been the reason for setting up the murder. I think child support and alimony on a 100K salary would have taken a pretty good chunk of CC's paycheck.

    I wish we knew what was behind SC's removal from the deed of the house. If she had no knowledge, that tells me CC was going to try to screw her over in a property settlement. Afterall, it worked out great for his brother. His brother may have given him advice and helped him.

    And can you imagine how pissed off SC would have been and how screwed over CC would be, if SC discovered her name was taken off the house without her knowledge? Takes me to the argument at 3am.

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    The restauant that was mentioned in an earlier post was the Nite Hawk Cafe. Was a great place and well known. When they were making the movie "In The Heat Of The Night" Dustin Hoffman and others frequented it. Know this place well. Went thru a few more owners before the church started to use it. It was on the "Crow Flight" when Rt. 3 was booming in Southern Illinois. Interstate 55 came into focus and much was lost in the town with the major traffic being diverted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    Thanks!

    I'm thinking the cost of property division, child support, alimony, etc, of the divorce could have been the reason for setting up the murder. I think child support and alimony on a 100K salary would have taken a pretty good chunk of CC's paycheck.

    I wish we knew what was behind SC's removal from the deed of the house. If she had no knowledge, that tells me CC was going to try to screw her over in a property settlement. Afterall, it worked out great for his brother. His brother may have given him advice and helped him.

    And can you imagine how pissed off SC would have been and how screwed over CC would be, if SC discovered her name was taken off the house without her knowledge? Takes me to the argument at 3am.
    Does anyone from Monroe County happen to know when the property tax bills are/were sent out? This would be addressed to name(s) listed on the deed.
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