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    Zodiac Killer

    Wanted to hear from people on their opinions regarding the Zodiac killer case,as far as theories,suspects,etc. Put this in the cold case thread,since after 40 years,there have been no arrests.


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    I will comment here at length as time permits, but I want to make two quick comments about recent developments:

    *Jack Tarrance: promoted by his stepson Dennis Kaufman and a completely incompetent CBS13 TV in Sacramento. Absolutely NOT the Zodiac.

    *Guy Ward Hendrickson: promoted by his stepdaughter Deborah Perez and a completely incompetent local media in San Francisco. Even less chance of being Zodiac than Tarrance.

    It used to that people with "daddy issues" would merely spend a fortune with a shrink - now they accuse their poppa of being Zodiac and a slew of news-whores will gladly stroke their egos by providing them their fifteen minutes of fame.
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    Dr. D, I never thought Perez had a leg to stand on, either. Her story always seemed nutty.

    But what about Tarrance? He's got the black hood and the photos. I know a lot of people find him suspicious, but on what grounds? I haven't kept up with his story...just what I've read in news reports. Doesn't he also have a bloody knife?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    Dr. D, I never thought Perez had a leg to stand on, either. Her story always seemed nutty.

    But what about Tarrance? He's got the black hood and the photos. I know a lot of people find him suspicious, but on what grounds? I haven't kept up with his story...just what I've read in news reports. Doesn't he also have a bloody knife?

    There is no evidence that the stuff that Tarrance's stepson,Dennis, has produced "claiming" to be Jack's stuff,is really Jack's. Alot of people believe that this is all a ploy to make $$$ for Dennis Kauffman. Besides looking similar to one of the Zodiac sketches,Jack seems to be in no way Zodiac,there is no evidence to support it.


    And as far as Deb. Perez,...wow...not sure if she just wants 15 minutes of fame,or to make some $$$,but definately no shot of her story being true


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    Kaufman has a long history of trying to convince anybody and everybody that Tarrance was Zodiac dating back to around 2000. At one point, he claimed to have the bloody shirt of cabbie Paul Stine and offered to sell it to Tom Voigt for $50,000. To be fair to Dennis, this "offer" may have been just hyperbole designed to be farcical, but it is telling that Dennis later "found" another article of clothing (the hood) to "verify" his claims. Of course, the hood that DK found does not match Brian Hartnell's description (neither does the knife that Dennis also claims to have found).

    The pictures that Dennis claims are of Zodijack's victims are patently ridiculous. The only one that may actually show a murder seems to have a tattooed dead man in the process of doing a pushup and supporting his weight by his outstretched arms. The other pictures either show unidentifiable blobs (one of which, one of Kaufman's experts claims is Rose Cole in the process of being mutilated - a name that should ring a bell for most here at WS) or seeming innocent pictures of a young boy and one of a hat (A HAT!!! That REALLY convinces me that JT was Zodiac! )

    Dennis is a huckster trying to gain a combination of fame and fortune. When he found the hood, he first called his business partner before calling the police. He has a quickie DVD for sale (now discounted to $9.99 because no one was willing to buy at retail prices). Earlier, he had been selling a book about his theories, except no one beyond his inner circle ever saw the book and Dennis evidently never refunded the money that his gullible "customers" spent on pre-orders.
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    I think it is truly disturbing how people can accuse loved ones of such heinous crimes,when they know full well its false.


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    Over the past few years I have become severely obsessed with this case. Needless to say, little tidbits like the following pique my interest:

    Voigt's best suspect is Richard Joseph Gaikowski, who died in 2004. He was in his 30s during the confirmed Zodiac killings.

    You'll like this: Gaikowski was a newspaperman, editing a Bay Area underground sheet called "Good Times."

    A tipster alerted Voigt to him, and Voigt liked what he saw. The term 'good times" is used in some of the letters Zodiac wrote to papers. He actually worked at the Vallejo paper at the time it was the recipient of Zodiac mail. Gaikowski looks like the composite sketch of Zodiac.

    Voigt got a recording of Gaikowski's voice and played it for the police dispatcher Zodiac talked to. She told Voigt, "That's the voice."

    You can read more about him on the Web site, but suffice to say, the real test will be whether Gaikowski's DNA is a match for the DNA that's been extracted from an envelop or stamp the Zodiac licked before he sent his letters to newspapers. A Virginia lab is testing it.
    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/z...aikowski-claim

    This was news to me, I know that Voigt has really focused on Gaikowski as the main suspect in this case for some time but I had no idea that it had gotten this far. I really wonder if that Virginia lab isn't an FBI lab testing Gaik's DNA against the extracted DNA from the letters.

    There may be, finally, an end to all of this after all on the horizon, here's to hoping!



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    Regarding Gykekowski or GYKE as some people call him,some people on his forum poined out flaws in making the case for GYKE being Zodiac. Those that did not agree,and pointed out flaws,or things that didnt add up to GYKE being Zodiac,had their posts edited,and their memberships banned(i know this personally from my own experience)If you speak your own mind on that forum,and disagree with Tom's ideas,you make enemies with him quickly,and run the risk of being banned.Censorship at its best(or worst)The guy has a great site,and has done some great research,but his people skills are lacking,as well as his open mind towards Zodiac. Dont wanna get off topic,or on a rant,so i will just say with all the "compelling" evidence against Gyke,where is all the police investigation on him? Why isnt it ongoing? Even Kauffman seems to have peeked more of an interest from the police.


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    Zobsessed,great to see another Zodiac "obsessed" person on here. I am as well. Spend alot of time chasing clues,thru old newspapers, online articles ,etc,and unfortunately,alot of dead ends.But i have had the great pleasure of talking to some really great and well known Zodiac researchers,and even a detective that has worked on the Zodiac case. I have dug up some pretty interesting stuff here and there.Wouldnt mind sharing with you.Drop me a line.


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    Judy Lichti Murdered- Zodiac Connection?

    Judy Lichti Murdered- Zodiac Connection?
    Juddy Lichti was murdered on July 4th,1969 at aprox. 11-11:30 PM. She was shot when a car pulled up along side her car and opened fire,also wounding her husband.There was no motive in the attack,and 40 years later,the case is unsolved.

    How is this related to the Zodiac killer? It may not be,BUT,it's VERY similar to the confirmed Zodiac attack of Darlene Ferrin,and Mike Mageau,who were attacked aprox. 30-45 minutes later. The only problem is that Lichti was attacked in the Fresno/Barton,Calif. area,and Mageau/Ferrin were attacked 30-45 minutes later in Vallejo. These two towns are 2-3 hours apart,so theres no way that the same person pulled the trigger at both crime scenes,BUT,when i posted this on another forum,a person that believes that Zodiac was not a single man,but rather a team,pointed out that as a Zodiac team,they could have committed both murders,in 2 different areas. I am not personally into the idea that there was a Zodiac "team",but anything is possible i guess,and it actually could explain the differences of appearance in the zodiac sketches.

    Still,Zodiac victim or not,the murder of Lichti needs to be solved.After 40 years,her family deserves answers. Heres a news article on her story:

    Independent Press-Telegram July 6,1969
    Bullets Shot in 'Senseless' Car Attack Kill Wife, 29
    FRESNO </Pt — A
    young Fresno mother was
    shot to death Friday night
    as she and her husband
    and small son drove home
    from a Fourth of July
    show at a speedway.
    The sheriff's department
    said Mrs. Judy Lichti,
    29, was killed, apparently
    without provocation
    by shots fired from a car
    which pulled alongside
    their car about 11:15 p.m.
    Mrs. Lichti. who was
    driving, was hit in the
    head. She died later in a
    hospital. Her husband,
    John, 29, who managed to
    steer the car to a slop,
    was treated for a gunshot


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    Trying to get this thread off the ground,so here goes...

    Trying to get this thread off the ground,so here goes...Gonna try to add some more possible victims/cases that may be attributed to the Zodiac.

    Murdered Woman Is Identified 4-25-67
    CARSON CITY, Nev. (UPI)-The body of a woman found in
    the hills one week ago has been identified as Anna J. Anderson,
    48, of Oakland, Calif., a nurse at the Richmond, Calif., General
    Hospital. Sheriff Robert Humphrey said the case was definitely
    a homicide.
    She worked in Calif. as a nurse,like Donna Lass,who many people think was a Zodiac victim.


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    Quote Originally Posted by morf13 View Post
    Dont wanna get off topic,or on a rant,so i will just say with all the "compelling" evidence against Gyke,where is all the police investigation on him? Why isnt it ongoing? Even Kauffman seems to have peeked more of an interest from the police.
    Which is scary. Because I don't believe that Tarrance was in any way Zodiac. It's so sad, in a way, that his step son wants him to be... Don't get me started on Deborah Perez.

    I think with Gaikowski, it's possible. I'm anxiously awaiting these DNA results. Voigt responded to me over on his forum (when I started a thread about the OC story from May 28th) and he said he didn't want to make a big thing out of the testing, which I completely understand. Some of the links for Gyke are interesting and the fact that the FBI did look at him, even if briefly, makes him more compelling. However, the fact that he lived in San Francisco lead's me to believe it wasn't him... which lead's me to my next topic....


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    Most probable suspect

    First, let me firmly state up front that I am a novice on Z. I know what I know, but that's all I know. I got into this case after the Cold Case Files episode aired some years ago and after Fincher's film (which I consider to be a masterpiece) came out, I was hooked. I then read Graysmith's book which I subsequently have found to be not very well respected amongst the Z sleuths. I actually like that book quite a bit and gleaned many of my opinions about this case from it.

    On the topic of that book, I do not believe ALA was Z, nor do I believe he was invovled in any way. I do think he liked the attention he got from this case though and he enjoyed screwing with the police. A better candidate from Graysmith's book is "Andrew Walker". Although, as I understand it, he had a thick northeastern accent which Nancy Slove (and others) could attest to Z not having.

    The most frustrating thing about this case is that everyone (web admin, filmmaker, writer, et al) has a suspect. This tends to cause splintered opinions and ideas. The kind of thing that has consistently kept this case from being solved. There were a number of great detectives on this case, Toschi, Armstrong, Narlow.. and they all had their notable suspects.

    Arthur Leigh Allen - DNA didn't match, finger print doesn't match, handwriting doesn't match, case closed on ALA.

    Rick Marshall - SFPD officially ruled him out as a suspect, prior to his death, last fall. This according to Tom Voigt. Case closed on him, too.

    Okay, with those two out of the way that leaves about 4,498 more.

    Having fast forwarded to this point in the discussion, ruling out those two. I would like to hear your opinion morf13. I'm always very interested in hearing theories and opinions. I do have some questions for you, if you don't mind humoring me...

    1) What do you think of Gareth Penn as a suspect?
    2) How about: Lawrence Kane, Mr. X (who's name I recently found!), Robert Hansen, David Carpenter?
    3) Do you there was more than one person involved in the killings?
    4) Do you think Z killed Cheri Jo Bates?
    5) Do you think Z actually killed 37 (or more than the 5 confirmed)?

    I'll start with those questions... I have others. I have just recently read Michael D. Kelleher's book "This is the Zodiac Speaking" and I consider it to be a headier read than YB. I also tend to agree with many of the opinions in the book, not all, but many. There's also a great supplementary video to the 2-disc Director's Cut of Fincher's film on the Zodiac Movie website. I recently discovered that as well. The Behavioral Profiling snippet with Sharon Hagan has really helped me form my opinions (along with Kelleher's book).

    Look forward to hearing from you.


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    zodiac mystery

    It seems to me that many of those obsessed with the Zodiac case don't really want it to be solved. They crucify anyone who seems to come forward with a suspect, or perhaps it is just that every expert has their own favorite suspect.

    Almost everything I read from Zodiac community discounts Robert Graysmiths theory about ALA, even though he seems to have a lot of circumstantial evidence.

    Most people don't believe Perez.

    Most think Dennis Kauffman is after money and has no evidence.

    At least the authorities seem to put enough stock in the theories to check them out.

    I think the Zodiac case is just a web of dead ends and false hopes. Everyones favorite suspect has that one compelling thing that seems to keep them from being the guy. Somewhere out there is a perfect fit, the real Zodiac killer, but it may be someone nobody suspected.

    I don't go for the "team" theory, ever try to get a group of people to keep a secret??

    Tom Voight does have an interesting site, but I lost respect for him when he was offering BTK some pictures of people he'd killed. I'm sure it was a hoax, but it wasn't in very good taste.

    And regarding Voights favorite Gradowski or however it's spelled, much of this is based on the dispatcher remembering his voice after nearly four decades?? Seems like a stretch.

    I hope it's solved. I think every suspect needs to be looked at. Instead of the quick discount of all these people coming forward with wild claims, prove with facts that it wasn't them. It appears that in the Zodiac community suspects are considered fraudulent until proven guilty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by miles_draken View Post
    It seems to me that many of those obsessed with the Zodiac case don't really want it to be solved. They crucify anyone who seems to come forward with a suspect, or perhaps it is just that every expert has their own favorite suspect.
    It sure does seem that way, doesn't it? There needs to be an end to this though. Like with most great true crime shows (Cold Case Files, American Justice, et al) there is closure. This is just one of those cases that seems to have no resolution. That itself lends itself to the obsessed (me) and the opportunists (you know them). It's also dissimilar to the cases featured nightly on cable news. Those are typically single murders of local interest that are boosted to the national level because yenta's like to watch that crap. It's the kind of case that requires a lot of patience, not conducive to a 15 minute segment.

    Quote Originally Posted by miles_draken View Post
    Almost everything I read from Zodiac community discounts Robert Graysmiths theory about ALA, even though he seems to have a lot of circumstantial evidence.
    I agree. I like Graysmith, quite a bit actually. ALA seems to be the perfect fit except for the fact that his DNA doesn't match the profile from the stamp(s), fingerprint doesn't match..nor does the handwriting. It's at that point that you have to let go of that suspect as viable, IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by miles_draken View Post
    I don't go for the "team" theory, ever try to get a group of people to keep a secret??
    Agreed. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist. In order for conspiracies to work it means multiple parties must keep secrets. And, as you said.. the quickest way for something to not be a secret is to tell someone else. I don't think Z ever told a soul...

    Quote Originally Posted by miles_draken View Post
    I hope it's solved. I think every suspect needs to be looked at. Instead of the quick discount of all these people coming forward with wild claims, prove with facts that it wasn't them. It appears that in the Zodiac community suspects are considered fraudulent until proven guilty.
    There are camps. As an outsider looking in..it's a bit odd. If the end goal is the same then there should be cooperation and bridge building. Not derision and fence building. I've kind of gone down every road on this case since I've been interested in it. I tend to stop at the point where the suspect is proven to not be Z. With ALA (DNA) with Rick Marshall (police dismiss him) and on and on... Once the physical evidence says "no" then you have to start over, IMO.


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