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    2009.06.01Air France Plane Goes Missing Over Atlantic BLACK BOX UPDATE 2011.05.01

    Fox News is reporting an Air France Plane carrying 228 people drops off radar over the Atlantic.
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    OMG!!! The article says An Air France official says the airline has lost contact with a plane carrying 228 people from Brazil to Paris.

    I'm wondering if they had voice contact with the pilot or if they just lost radar contact. I cannot find anything else about this.

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    Oh no! It should have landed hours ago. What could have possibly happened to it?


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    I'm worried a lot over this...really saddens me. No family/friends on board that I know of...but still...they are "family" of the world. Prayers going up from me.
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    I heard on the Today show this morning that the plane was a type that could, and I may have this confused, but it sounded like it could become airtight, which means there is a chance that the passengers are awaiting rescue on the ocean somewhere. I really hope that is the case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    I heard on the Today show this morning that the plane was a type that could, and I may have this confused, but it sounded like it could become airtight, which means there is a chance that the passengers are awaiting rescue on the ocean somewhere. I really hope that is the case.
    Even an airtight plane can only stay up for a little while and only if the pilot was able to land it just right. The problem with the Airbus is that if you lose your electrical, which is what looks like may have happened here, you're screwed because there is no hydraulic backup system on those planes, it's a "fly by wire" aircraft. They have several different power systems, batteries and APUs, but lightning could have taken them all out. (This info courtesy of my husband who knows about planes. It's all beyond me!)


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    hmm my hubby said could be a bomb. Ugh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beyond Belief View Post
    hmm my hubby said could be a bomb. Ugh.
    They said on the Today show that this was a possiblity as well, although they said there was no way to know. They said that take offs and landings are the worst time for planes because that's the time when most things happen. Things happening during flight are rare, and one of the possibilities was a bomb.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beyond Belief View Post
    hmm my hubby said could be a bomb. Ugh.
    No mention of this. News sources indicate the electric system failed.

    "... the plane sent an automatic signal indicating electrical problems while going through strong turbulence, Air France said."

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523701,00.html

    Brazil's Civil Aeronautics Agency, or ANAC, told Globo news. "It could be a long, sad story. The black box will be at the bottom of the sea."


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    I am sick to hear that this plane was possibly struck by lightning. On a recent flight in April, from Tampa to SD, our plane was struck by lightning and let me tell you that all of us were very frightened. It shook the plane violently and the plane dropped suddenly before coming shortly back up. About twenty minutes later, the pilot came on and said we had been struck and had to make an emergency landing. It did not feel like a normal landing and later after we got on another plane, we were told we had lost some controls. I was on the internet googling to see if it was common and it really seemed to be that it wasn't so unusual. Now I see this on the news. I hope they were able to make a landing but now that it's daylight and there's no sign, it doesn't look good. How sad for all those people. Flying scares me now more than as a kid, I guess it's just part of getting old.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuckerschnecke View Post
    I am sick to hear that this plane was possibly struck by lightning. On a recent flight in April, from Tampa to SD, our plane was struck by lightning and let me tell you that all of us were very frightened. It shook the plane violently and the plane dropped suddenly before coming shortly back up. About twenty minutes later, the pilot came on and said we had been struck and had to make an emergency landing. It did not feel like a normal landing and later after we got on another plane, we were told we had lost some controls. I was on the internet googling to see if it was common and it really seemed to be that it wasn't so unusual. Now I see this on the news. I hope they were able to make a landing but now that it's daylight and there's no sign, it doesn't look good. How sad for all those people. Flying scares me now more than as a kid, I guess it's just part of getting old.
    The scary thing is that the Airbus A330 has no hydraulic back-up system. An electric failure is catastrophic. Modern technology at work?

    Many Vietnam era pilots with loads of experience have retired, and modern pilots may not be as well-trained.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trino View Post
    The scary thing is that the Airbus A330 has no hydraulic back-up system. An electric failure is catastrophic. Modern technology at work?

    Many Vietnam era pilots with loads of experience have retired, and modern pilots may not be as well-trained.
    No kidding, look at the Buffalo crash. I hope they find this plane quickly and with any grace of God there are some survivors. So sad what all those people must have been going through. I will be glued to the news all day now.


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    This gives me goosebumps. I HATE to fly. I am a nervous wreck the whole time and every little noise and bump sends me into a mild panic. After the plane that went down in the Hudson, the one in Buffalo and know this one I might be hoofing it around the country.

    I feel so badly for these people. I hope it all happened very quickly. The thing that scares me so much about a plane crash is the time you have to think about the fact you are plummeting 30,000 feet to your imminent death. The terror, panic when the plane pitches and goes into rolls and nose dives. At least with a car crash it happens so fast you don't really have time to think about it. The scary thing about this is that they don't know where this plane went down. I hope they find it quickly. The poor families who are waiting for word.......
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    This is really sad, and scary. I'm praying that maybe the plane just lost contact for some reason, but that everyone is fine and they're still flying like normal, even though I know that's most likely not the case.

    Praying for everyone on board and their families.


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    From FoxNews.com

    The plane "crossed through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence" at 0200 GMT Monday (10 p.m. EDT Sunday). An automatic message was received at 0214 GMT (10:14 p.m. EDT Sunday) "signaling electrical circuit malfunction."


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    Thanks for the updates. I see still no news.


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    There is an aviation industry discussion at the below link. People know their stuff there and sometimes there is inside info posted.

    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...n/4429616/1/#1


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    Quote Originally Posted by ****** View Post
    I'm afraid it's going to be bad.
    I've been waiting for you to pop in this thread.

    BTW, thanks for turning me on to Airliner.net. It's the first place I go when there is a crash.


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    ******, Shouldn't there have been enough time for some type of communication with the ground? If I'm understanding correctly there is only the automatic message that was sent?


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    I keep checking for updates and there is very little at this point. I find this odd considering the time that has passed. Nothing is out there. At this point where the plane, it has been assumed, went down near an island not far from the coast, wouldn't they have found at least some signs of the plane going down in the area???

    This has to horrific for the families. Waiting and waiting for news.
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    Now, I'm confused. Early this morning when I was watching news, it was stated that the flight had not gotten over the Atlantic where they would have lost radar contact. It hadn't been in the air long enough. Now, I'm reading that the flight was. Mixed reports. Was the flight out of radar range?
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    I just feel terribly sad for the loved ones right now; what a horrible and unusual tragedy, when you consider how many huge planes go back and forth across the oceans.

    If it was the storm, I wonder if they weren't careful enough predicting the weather and route for the day.

    I don't usually worry about flying, but tragedies like this, the plane that was iced over with lack of pilot rest, and that spectacular landing into Hudson Bay can't help but give me pause ...


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    Are there any updates at all?

    Still praying hard!


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    Hopes dim for 228 aboard missing French jet



    updated 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
    RIO DE JANEIRO - An Air France jet with 228 people on a flight to Paris vanished over the Atlantic Ocean after flying into towering thunderstorms and sending an automated message that the electrical system had failed. A vast search began Monday, but all aboard were feared killed.
    Military aircraft scrambled out to the center of the Atlantic, far from the coasts of Brazil and West Africa, and France sought U.S. satellite help to find the wreckage. The first military ship wasn't expected to reach the area where the plane disappeared until Wednesday.
    If there are no survivors, it would be the world's worst aviation disaster since 2001.
    French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the cause remains unclear and that "no hypothesis" is being excluded. Some experts dismissed speculation that lightning might have brought the plane down. But violent thunderheads reaching more than 50,000 feet high can pound planes with hail and high winds, causing structural damage if pilots can't maneuver around them.
    Sarkozy said he told family members of passengers on Air France Flight 447 that prospects of finding survivors are "very small."
    Brazil's president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, expressed hope that "the worst hasn't happened," and said "we have to ask God" to help find survivors.
    The four-year-old Airbus A330 left Rio Sunday night with 216 passengers and 12 crew members on board, said company spokeswoman Brigitte Barrand. Most of the passengers were Brazilian and French, but 32 nations in all were represented, including two Americans.
    'Thunderous zone'
    The plane was cruising normally at 35,000 feet and 522 mph just before it disappeared nearly four hours into the flight. No trouble was reported as the plane left radar contact, beyond Brazil's Fernando de Noronha archipelago, at 10:48 local time.
    But just north of the equator, a line of towering thunderstorms loomed. Bands of extremely turbulent weather stretched across the Atlantic toward Africa, as they often do in the area this time of year.
    The plane "crossed through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence," Air France said. About 14 minutes later, at 11:14 p.m. local time, an automatic message was sent reporting electrical system failure and a loss of cabin pressure. Air France said the message was the last it heard from Flight 447.
    While what happened to the plane has not been determined, a Pentagon official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he'd seen no indication of terrorism or foul play.
    Chief Air France spokesman Francois Brousse said a lightning strike could have damaged the plane. Henry Margusity, a senior meteorologist for AccuWeather.com, noted that the thunderstorms towered up to 50,000 feet in the area, so it was possible that the plane flew directly into the most charged part of the storm.
    Other experts doubted a bolt of lightning would be enough to bring the jet down. Some pointed to turbulence as a more dangerous factor.
    "Lightning issues have been considered since the beginning of aviation. They were far more prevalent when aircraft operated at low altitudes. They are less common now since it's easier to avoid thunderstorms," said Bill Voss, president and CEO of Flight Safety Foundation, Alexandria, Va.
    Voss said planes are built to dissipate electricity along the aircraft's skin, and are tested for resistance to big electromagnetic shocks.

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