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    Hello All,

    I'm thinking of the abrasions or cut on CC's arm. I just reviewed the starbucks video.

    Now then... Why don't a number of you with righties and lefties in your family do a little test.

    Situate yourself at a table like JM was situated, with someone to your left near the corner of the table to the left (they would then be facing you as if sitting at a square table). Have them pretend there is someone to their left filming -- tell them not to get in the way of that filming of you during the experiment.

    Put a coffee cup with a pull off or twist off lid there on the left corner of the table. Have your person pull or twist the lid off of the cup. Watch their hands -- which do they use to hold the cup, which do they use to take the lid off? Have them hand you the cup. Which hand do they use to hand you the cup? (remind them not to get in the way of the camera filming you.)

    Now then, have a spoon or something similar on the table near where the cup was. Ask them to pick that up and hand it to you. Which hand do they use?

    Simpler version of the test, if you do not have someone else there to help, approach a pull off or twist off cup, which hand do you use to remove the lid and hand the cup to an imaginary person? (no matter whether that person is situated to the right or left of you.)

    FINALLY, the most important part of the experiment is knowing whether the person is a rightie, a leftie or ambidextrous ALONG WITH which hand they used to do which thing (remove lid, hand cup, hand object on table.)

    I think I have my answer to the question of whether CC was a rightie or a leftie (and I have a reason for knowing), I called my husband into the kitchen to do the experiment. LOL he thought I called him into the kitchen to give him a hard time about some kinda mess he made there and left for me.

    He and I have reviewed the video -- we both independently came up with the same answer on whether CC was a rightie or leftie.

    Okay Sleuthers! what do you determine? what are your findings in the experiment.
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xioZ_YF2rE&feature=related"]YouTube - Bringing Hope to Cambodia | Joyce Meyer Ministries[/ame]

    Forward to :44 and see Christopher Coleman, to the left of Dave Meyer.

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    I never handle the coffee lid with my left hand, ever and I'm a rightie.

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    Did anyone who went see which hand he was writing with when he was taking notes in court?

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    Okay you all... Get your hands and those of your friends moving.

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3860719&postcount=47"]Here is the video to watch for "situation" of the experiment."[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3860888&postcount=51"]Here is the experimental challenge.[/ame]

    Who does what with which hand, and "what handed" are they -- right or left.

    So far I have these results (I won't put mine yet, from self and husband in order for you to go at this with the least prejudice):

    LindaDanette: first thought left, then right due to the rh straw - UNCERTAIN
    dgFred: would say right handed - RIGHT HANDED
    Ziggy: never handles lid with left hand, she is a rightie - LEFT HANDED

    Okay...what are your experiment findings.
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    Ewww WestSideGal,

    You wrote:
    >>Did anyone who went see which hand he was writing with when he was taking notes in court? <<

    GREAT QUESTION!!! Do we have any answers from Chris Hayes, his intern, the friend of Kimster, CountryGirl or MovinOn86?

    Come on peoples... Do we have any videos, or eye witness anythings to help us with Chris being right or left handed?

    Edited: Can anyone find a photo of CC throwing a ball to his kids or standing at a BBQ flipping burgers?
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    Wrinkles, I'm curious as to the question of CC being right or left handed. You may have posted the reason somewhere and I, being the dorkette that I am, have missed it. Thank you for helping me out here.

    FWIW. CC seems right handed to me.
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrinkles View Post
    Hello Knox,

    Here is the link to the starbucks video. BTW, if you watch it, would you think about whether you can see CC as being right or left handed?
    Unless someone who attended noticed what hand he was writing with during the preliminary hearing?
    Last edited by TallCoolOne; 06-11-2009 at 05:55 PM. Reason: Did not see WestSideGal's post of the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by TallCoolOne View Post
    Unless someone who attended noticed what hand he was writing with during the preliminary hearing?
    It appears, to me anyway, that in the video CC is right handed as he deals with handing JM items for her coffee. Also, it looks like his watch is on his left wrist.

    I'm still curious as to whether CC is right or left handed has to do with his cuts on the forearm.

    Just ask'in...
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".

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    Quote Originally Posted by fran View Post
    IMHO, from what I've read, there is a way for LE to tell a body has been moved after death.

    Upon death the blood begins to settle at the lowest point. When the body is moved, the blood will then begin collecting in the 'new' low,...........however, there is left a shadow, of sorts, of where the blood had originally begun to collect.

    That's my unscientific and layman's understanding.

    JMHO
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    I believe you are correct.
    Years back a friend was murdered and thrown face first in a ditch, you could see the "shadow of sorts" that you describe. It took years for me to remember him how he was prior, hard to explain but it was so obvious.

    For someone who was sorta LE CC is just plain stupid imo, he really thought he could pull it off and he is not very smart especially going against who knows how many LE that know thier stuff, he does not even have the smarts enough for the basics (thank goodness, I hope his stupidity hangs him).

    I have not read all but it is my understanding that his family is backing him up, shame shame. I have always told my boys "I love you when your good and I love you when your bad", if one of my children did something so horrific I cannot stop loving however I would not back up with help and I would make sure the vics family knew that I would be so sorry. I would be shattered.

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    Hello OrdinaryL,

    Oh my goodness, you're not a dorkette I have not really put it out there why I am asking so that I don't taint the responses anymore than what they could be already by information out there

    Quote Originally Posted by OrdinaryLife View Post
    Wrinkles, I'm curious as to the question of CC being right or left handed. You may have posted the reason somewhere and I, being the dorkette that I am, have missed it. Thank you for helping me out here.

    FWIW. CC seems right handed to me.
    Did you do the coffee cup test? with yourself, with others in your family? Is this what led you to believe he "seems" right handed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrinkles View Post
    Hello OrdinaryL,

    Oh my goodness, you're not a dorkette I have not really put it out there why I am asking so that I don't taint the responses anymore than what they could be already by information out there



    Did you do the coffee cup test? with yourself, with others in your family? Is this what led you to believe he "seems" right handed?
    LOL! Believe me, I have my "D" moments!! I am curious as to why the experiment? It's one thing to test being right or left handed. I have both in my family for a trillion years. However, I really like to understand what the point is as I'm sure you have one. Please, enlighten me.
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".

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    I saw him hand the straw with his right hand too and that made me wonder. But handing someone a straw and possibly spilling coffee are two different things.

    I seem to ALWAYS spill the coffee. That's why I am really careful with those lids because those lids are out to get me.

    Anyway, it will be interesting to find out.

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    I just did the test with my dinner guests - all right handed and all agreed that they hold the Starbucks cup with the left hand and peel off the lid with the right.

    OK - gotta run back in to dinner!

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    I am alone, but removed the lid, handed the stir stick and replaced the lid with my right hand, I'm a rightie. Now Wrinkles, come hither with an explanation

    LD, you are a jewel finding those video's. We're eating up the opportunity to observe and dissect CC. Thanks!

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    I am alone, but removed the lid, handed the stir stick and replaced the lid with my right hand, I'm a rightie. Now Wrinkles, come hither with an explanation

    LD, you are a jewel finding those video's. We're eating up the opportunity to observe and dissect CC. Thanks!
    These video clips, to me anyway, show how close CC was to JM...part of her "inner circle".

    It is really hard for me to imagine that no one with the JMM caught on to his second life with MM, especially since she seemed to follow him around to many of these conferences....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knox View Post
    I am alone, but removed the lid, handed the stir stick and replaced the lid with my right hand, I'm a rightie. Now Wrinkles, come hither with an explanation

    LD, you are a jewel finding those video's. We're eating up the opportunity to observe and dissect CC. Thanks!

    Thanks Knox, and ITA Waterloo Inspector!!!!!! That's why I keep looking. All is not as it is scrambling to appear. You've heard of lipstick on a pig? Well, I think CC's chapstick was no stranger to JM's cheek. I mean that in a sort of vassal to the queen kind of way.

    (I hope that's all it turns out to be - the thought of CC going off the deep end into the darkside because of anything more compromising has disturbed my peace more than once - but I'm resisting it and it's fleeting - so to speak)

    I'm also looking for someone, probably in the row behind - someone with long dark hair who kind of looks like a younger JM. . . I want to see the look in her eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterlooinspector View Post
    These video clips, to me anyway, show how close CC was to JM...part of her "inner circle".

    It is really hard for me to imagine that no one with the JMM caught on to his second life with MM, especially since she seemed to follow him around to many of these conferences....
    Isn't it pretty common for an organization this size to have their security people monitored as well? If there is going to be an inside job security has the best access and can do the most damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrinkles View Post
    Okay you all... Get your hands and those of your friends moving.

    Here is the video to watch for "situation" of the experiment."

    Here is the experimental challenge.

    Who does what with which hand, and "what handed" are they -- right or left.

    So far I have these results (I won't put mine yet, from self and husband in order for you to go at this with the least prejudice):

    LindaDanette: first thought left, then right due to the rh straw - UNCERTAIN
    dgFred: would say right handed - RIGHT HANDED
    Ziggy: never handles lid with left hand, she is a rightie - LEFT HANDED

    Okay...what are your experiment findings.
    I used a pepsi bottle with a twist off lid, I am right handed, hold the bottle with my left and twist with my right. I would do the same with a cup of coffee, stabilize with my left and complete the portions requiring dexterity with my right (remove lid, stir, hand off).

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    Quote Originally Posted by impatientredhead View Post
    Isn't it pretty common for an organization this size to have their security people monitored as well? If there is going to be an inside job security has the best access and can do the most damage.
    Good point ... check and balances. We have them within our company. But the intimate way JM and CC seem to interact with each other tells me that was not the case. Remember RC got him that job, through the good ole boy (so to speak) network.
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    Quote Originally Posted by impatientredhead View Post
    Isn't it pretty common for an organization this size to have their security people monitored as well? If there is going to be an inside job security has the best access and can do the most damage.

    You know that's a really good question. They thought enough of CC to make him their personal security guard - I imagine he was the one watching all the others. Makes me shudder to think of it.

    I would hope that JM is smart enough to have had separate video that was off limits to CC - but I'm thinking he's the one who has the goods (if there are goods to be had)

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    Still waiting to find out the whole right vs left handed test is all about. Toss a bone here, fer crying out loud. I feel like I'm in a classroom being test on a subject that is a fail/fail here. I'm too old for this kind of stress.
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".

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    I'm right handed - hold cup with left, remove top with right.
    DH is left handed - hold cup with right, remove top with left.

    I'm also wondering why the left/right handed test. I thought at first it was because of the "scratch" or whatever on his arm - but then I got to thinking that which hand would be affected by different factors: whether the victim was left or right handed, whether the victim was on her stomach or back, whether the little guy came in to help mom and grabbed him with the hand that seemed to be doing the most damage................
    give us a hint, Wrinkles...... my brain isn't able to take much more use today!

    ETA - I'm going to pass the time with Lindadanette looking for MM in those videos.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEcdP2B5Sps&feature=related"]YouTube - Joyce Meyer Fan is Excited[/ame]

    Forward to about 1:10 and get ready to pause - notice the chick in the red sweater "helping" CC? This video was either taken at the borders in Winter Park or Barnes & Noble in Ft Lauderdale on May 1st, 2008. CC was in Florida then and I'm just about willing to bet the farm that he and MM started the "trouble a year ago" back then.

    Orlando is just an hour and a half drive from the Tampa Bay area. I've gone to a JMM in Orlando myself.

    http://www.joycemeyer.org/jmmweb/jmm...book-tour.aspx

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    Just a guess, but I'm thinking our dear Wrinkles is attempting to determine how CC got that "abrasion" on his arm.

    Someone (???) earlier mentioned that the defense could argue that someone other than CC accessed his work computer to type and send the incriminating messages. I have to admit, I was worried that "chain of possession" could be an issue. However, I have to assume that the computer was password protected and I personally feel it would have been a HUGE breach of security for the HEAD of JMM security to have given his password to someone or to have compromised it in any way. I would say he couldn't possibly be that stupid, but I think we all know that he could be that stupid!

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