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    UK - Vanessa George & 4 others for child sex abuse ring, Plymouth, 2009

    "Vanessa George, a mother of two, will appear in court today charged with seven offences, including two of sexual assault by penetration and two of sexual assault by touching. She was also charged with making, possessing and distributing indecent images of children."

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6471327.ece

    Something strange here. Let's face it, women do not have any interest in porn, let alone child porn. And women do not commit sex abuse either. Looks like this lady is taking the rap for some male predator. LE needs to look at the men in her life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parmenides View Post
    "Vanessa George, a mother of two, will appear in court today charged with seven offences, including two of sexual assault by penetration and two of sexual assault by touching. She was also charged with making, possessing and distributing indecent images of children."

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6471327.ece

    Something strange here. Let's face it, women do not have any interest in porn, let alone child porn. And women do not commit sex abuse either. Looks like this lady is taking the rap for some male predator. LE needs to look at the men in her life.
    Bolding is mine. I have to disagree with you on both of the bolded points. As we have seen in the Sandra Cantu case, women can be sexual abusers.

    As far as women being interested in porn, I imagine more are than would care to admit it. Purely my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parmenides View Post
    "Something strange here. Let's face it, women do not have any interest in porn, let alone child porn. And women do not commit sex abuse either. Looks like this lady is taking the rap for some male predator. LE needs to look at the men in her life.
    There was a time I would have agreed with you, but not so much anymore. Women seem to be delving more and more into crimes we used to think only men would commit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amandab View Post
    Bolding is mine. I have to disagree with you on both of the bolded points. As we have seen in the Sandra Cantu case, women can be sexual abusers.

    As far as women being interested in porn, I imagine more are than would care to admit it. Purely my opinion.
    I completely agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amandab View Post
    Bolding is mine. I have to disagree with you on both of the bolded points. As we have seen in the Sandra Cantu case, women can be sexual abusers.

    As far as women being interested in porn, I imagine more are than would care to admit it. Purely my opinion.
    Women are absolutely capable of being abusers and porn is a multi billion dollar industry that is supported by men and women. There are women posting in the porn forums, commenting on videos, there are companies that are target women and couples as their customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amandab View Post
    As far as women being interested in porn, I imagine more are than would care to admit it. Purely my opinion.
    I know it's just your opinion, and I respect that. And I know it's a modern theory that women are secretly interested in porn. But let's take a reality check. If women were interested in porn, there would be porn magazines aimed at women - simple economics, demand and supply. But while there are tons of magazines and mega-gigabytes of male-oriented porn, there is nothing, nada, zilch for women. Evidently, women are not interested in porn. QED. Or am I missing something?

    And getting back to the important issue. I cannot believe this woman - a MOTHER - would do the things she is being accused of. Either some horrible mistake has been made, or there is a man behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parmenides View Post
    "Vanessa George, a mother of two, will appear in court today charged with seven offences, including two of sexual assault by penetration and two of sexual assault by touching. She was also charged with making, possessing and distributing indecent images of children."

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6471327.ece

    Something strange here. Let's face it, women do not have any interest in porn, let alone child porn. And women do not commit sex abuse either. Looks like this lady is taking the rap for some male predator. LE needs to look at the men in her life.
    I thought at first you were being sarcastic but apparently not...........Do a search here at WS alone......I can think of at least 4 fairly recent stories,reported & discussed on here NOT COUNTING the Cantu case, that blow your opinion out of the water!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parmenides View Post
    And getting back to the important issue. I cannot believe this woman - a MOTHER - would do the things she is being accused of. Either some horrible mistake has been made, or there is a man behind it.
    Very good point - we were digressing from the story at hand. I agree - this is an AWFUL situation. In reading the article, police think that some of the victims may never be able to be identified from the pictures that were taken of them.

    How awful for the parents of children at that nursery - OMG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parmenides View Post
    I know it's just your opinion, and I respect that. And I know it's a modern theory that women are secretly interested in porn. But let's take a reality check. If women were interested in porn, there would be porn magazines aimed at women - simple economics, demand and supply. But while there are tons of magazines and mega-gigabytes of male-oriented porn, there is nothing, nada, zilch for women. Evidently, women are not interested in porn. QED. Or am I missing something?

    And getting back to the important issue. I cannot believe this woman - a MOTHER - would do the things she is being accused of. Either some horrible mistake has been made, or there is a man behind it.
    There are companies that make porn for women. Google porn for women and you will find estimates of 1 in 4 to 1 in 3 viewers being female. I would guess it is closer to 1 in 8 since I don't think the pool they questioned was large enough, the idea that women are not consumers of porn is completely outdated. I am guessing you missed the list of the 2009 Feminist Porn Awards?

    I respect that it is not on your radar screen or in your environment but MOTHERS neglect, beat, abuse, endanger, and murder their children everyday. I highly doubt an operational uterus renders them incapable of exploiting them sexually. The belief that it does makes it easier for them to hide, more challenging for their victims to speak out against, and it more likely that a male accomplice/cohort will take the blame completely.

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    Ok looks like I'm in a minority here, and no thanks I'm not going to google porn for women, I'll take your word for it. Also you are right, I missed the feminist porn awards. I thought feminists were trying to stamp out porn??? What a crazy world we live in.

    But getting back to the case in hand, surely some folks out there must agree with me that the men in her life ought to be looked at? I understand material was found on the computer at her home. Well, wouldn't her husband have had access to that? How can they possibly know it was her and not him?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Parmenides View Post
    I know it's just your opinion, and I respect that. And I know it's a modern theory that women are secretly interested in porn. But let's take a reality check. If women were interested in porn, there would be porn magazines aimed at women - simple economics, demand and supply. But while there are tons of magazines and mega-gigabytes of male-oriented porn, there is nothing, nada, zilch for women. Evidently, women are not interested in porn. QED. Or am I missing something?

    And getting back to the important issue. I cannot believe this woman - a MOTHER - would do the things she is being accused of. Either some horrible mistake has been made, or there is a man behind it.
    I know plenty of women that love porn (not the illegal kind) The thing is most women like the same type of porn that men like...ones that feature beautiful women. Even straight women watch lesbian porn. It doesn't have to be geared towards women for women to be buying and enjoying it.

    That being said, I hope this woman rots under the jail. There is nothing more sickening than a child molester. Being a "mother" does not mean that she is not capable of child abuse, it just means that she doesn't have to look as far for children to abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parmenides View Post
    Ok looks like I'm in a minority here, and no thanks I'm not going to google porn for women, I'll take your word for it. Also you are right, I missed the feminist porn awards. I thought feminists were trying to stamp out porn??? What a crazy world we live in.

    But getting back to the case in hand, surely some folks out there must agree with me that the men in her life ought to be looked at? I understand material was found on the computer at her home. Well, wouldn't her husband have had access to that? How can they possibly know it was her and not him?
    Even if her her husband/partner is responsible for the stuff on her computer, WHY was she charged with sexual assault by penetration and sexual assault by touching?

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    DANG!

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6477451.ece

    A man spat at the 39-year-old mother of two, who was protected by a glass screen surrounding the dock. Another cried out as if in pain and was helped from the court
    Four charges included an allegation of sexual penetration on two infant girls and an indecent assault on an infant boy. In addition, she faces three separate charges of making, possessing and distributing indecent pictures of children.
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    We are all just trying to make sense of an unimaginable crime.

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    Also from the link above:

    The charge list:

    1. Between January 1, 2007 and June 8, 2009 at Plymouth in the county of Devon, she [assaulted] a girl aged under 13, namely about one year old, as shown in recovered image 140, exhibit number SCL1.

    2. Between the same dates at Plymouth she intentionally touched a girl under 13, namely an infant girl, as shown in the exhibit, and the touching was sexual.

    3. Between January 1, 2007 and June 6, 2009 at Plymouth, intentionally touched a boy under 13, namely an infant boy, and the touching was sexual.

    4. Between the same dates at Plymouth took an indecent photograph of a child.

    5. Between January 1, 2007 and June 8, 2009 at Plymouth, intentionally [assaulted] a girl under 13, an infant girl.

    6. On June 6, 2009, possessed indecent photographs of children

    7. Between January 1, 2007 and June 8, 2009, at Plymouth, distributed indecent photographs of a child.
    Say what you mean, mean what you say, but don't say it mean.
    We are all just trying to make sense of an unimaginable crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovejac View Post
    Also from the link above:
    Seems like they have VERY solid evidence she did what she is accused of.
    I bet LE has been VERY careful with this investigation so Im quite sure they are 100% shes not "taking the fall"for a husband or boyfriend.Even if it was a "shared interest"with a partner this woman knew what she was doing & did it of her own free will!!!!!!!!!
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