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    Autopsy Report - UCF Osteological Analysis-Duct Tape Info

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801867/detail.html

    Page 3, third paragraph discusses the covering of the nose and mouth apertures with grayish tape.

    PH, apologies if you were going to post this. Hadn't seen it yet.
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    Mods, please move if repetitive info.

    Just wanted a handy link quickly. TY.
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    Mandible anatomy


    The following representation is that of an adult, but it gives a good idea of just how intricately the facial bone structure works together, being held in place by the integumentary ( skin ) structure. On a smaller mandible/maxxila, depending on if the duct tape is the standard 2 inches or 3, both airways would easily be covered with layered tape. Without the tape clinging to the remaining hair, it could not have held in place. I also speculate that perhaps the clumps of hair matted beneath the skull, might have done so from body fluids & being in a dependent position.

    http://ebsco.smartimagebase.com/gene...it.php?ID=3535

    The facial skeleton serves to protect the brain; house and protect the sense organs of smell, sight, and taste; and provide a frame on which the soft tissues of the face can act to facilitate eating, facial expression, breathing, and speech. The primary bones of the face are the mandible, maxilla, frontal bone, nasal bones, and zygoma (see Image 1). Facial bone anatomy is complex yet elegant in its suitability to serve a multitude of functions.

    Mandible

    The mandible is a U-shaped bone (see Images 2-3). It is the only mobile bone of the facial skeleton, and, since it houses the lower teeth, its motion is essential for mastication. It is formed by intramembranous ossification. The mandible is composed of 2 hemimandibles joined at the midline by a vertical symphysis. The hemimandibles fuse to form a single bone by age 2 years. Each hemimandible is composed of a horizontal body with a posterior vertical extension termed the ramus. http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/835401-overview
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    Definition of aperture, just so we're clear.

    ''an opening, as a hole, slit, crack, gap, etc.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by celticthyme View Post
    The following representation is that of an adult, but it gives a good idea of just how intricately the facial bone structure works together, being held in place by the integumentary ( skin ) structure. On a smaller mandible/maxxila, depending on if the duct tape is the standard 2 inches or 3, both airways would easily be covered with layered tape. Without the tape clinging to the remaining hair, it could not have held in place. I also speculate that perhaps the clumps of hair matted beneath the skull, might have done so from body fluids & being in a dependent position.

    http://ebsco.smartimagebase.com/gene...it.php?ID=3535

    The facial skeleton serves to protect the brain; house and protect the sense organs of smell, sight, and taste; and provide a frame on which the soft tissues of the face can act to facilitate eating, facial expression, breathing, and speech. The primary bones of the face are the mandible, maxilla, frontal bone, nasal bones, and zygoma (see Image 1). Facial bone anatomy is complex yet elegant in its suitability to serve a multitude of functions.

    Mandible

    The mandible is a U-shaped bone (see Images 2-3). It is the only mobile bone of the facial skeleton, and, since it houses the lower teeth, its motion is essential for mastication. It is formed by intramembranous ossification. The mandible is composed of 2 hemimandibles joined at the midline by a vertical symphysis. The hemimandibles fuse to form a single bone by age 2 years. Each hemimandible is composed of a horizontal body with a posterior vertical extension termed the ramus. http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/835401-overview
    Beautiful description, thank you.

    As I understand your post, even if the duct tape was 2 inches wide and not 3 inches wide, on a toddler, it would cover the nasal gap, or, more likely, the nostrils as well, on a tiny face.

    eta: when I look at the drawings with an untrained eye, the distance between the maxilla and the nasal aperture looks like far less than two inches on an adult face. This makes me think that even a two inch piece of duct tape would cover the nostrils on a toddler, hard as that is to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sc2714 View Post
    Definition of aperture, just so we're clear.

    ''an opening, as a hole, slit, crack, gap, etc.''
    I understand this to be the hole that is left after the skin decomposes.
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    I have standard duct tape here, I measured it, 2 inches wide, if it was wrapped and overlapped it definitely covered her nose when she was alive

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    I just started reading. On the bottom of page three of this document, under the heading of OPINION, I read:

    "Based on the position of the tape and mandible, it can be inferred that the mandible remained in this position because the tape held it in place prior to the hair forming into a matt on the base of the skull."

    What does this mean?! Is this being discussed elsewhere?

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    I've thought of the multiple pieces of duct tape being placed mostly over Caylee's mouth, one on top of another over her mouth, sort of in horizontal layers. But after reading these posts, I wonder if the tape was placed more like one piece over the mouth, then another overlapping piece placed over her nose, so the tape had a more vertical overlap.

    So the tape might actually have been wider than 2 or 3 inches.

    Does anyone recall any info. on the placement?

    I hate to be so graphic Caylee's autopsy reports, but justice for her makes me reach past being sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neptunian View Post
    I just started reading. On the bottom of page three of this document, under the heading of OPINION, I read:

    "Based on the position of the tape and mandible, it can be inferred that the mandible remained in this position because the tape held it in place prior to the hair forming into a matt on the base of the skull."

    What does this mean?! Is this being discussed elsewhere?
    I'm not exactly sure, but the fact that this note exists in the report is important. Do you think it suggests a struggle? (hence the matting of the hair)


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    Tuffy,

    I'm horrified to think so, but I don't have any experience with autopsy reports. I am hoping that there is a different way that a hair matt can be formed after death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuffy View Post
    I'm not exactly sure, but the fact that this note exists in the report is important. Do you think it suggests a struggle? (hence the matting of the hair)
    Sorry to quote myself, but I think that actually, it sounds more like this is an explanation of why the mandible is still in position on the skull without the presence of connective tissue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neptunian View Post
    Tuffy,

    I'm horrified to think so, but I don't have any experience with autopsy reports. I am hoping that there is a different way that a hair matt can be formed after death.
    I agree that it is a horrifying thought. I think my first answer isn't the reason for note though. I don't think it is meant to imply a struggle.

    I suppose the hair matt doesn't necessarily mean the hair was tangled. It could also be matted due to dirt and debris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuffy View Post
    I agree that it is a horrifying thought. I think my first answer isn't the reason for note though. I don't think it is meant to imply a struggle.

    I suppose the hair matt doesn't necessarily mean the hair was tangled. It could also be matted due to dirt and debris.
    Or leaking decomp fluids possibly from the ears (so awful to think of) which would mean the tape came before decomp/death?
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    There is NO words that can describe the rage, complete & total rage I feel.
    I want someone to paint KC a very graphic picture of exactly what happened to her childs body after she threw it out like trash.
    The needle is to kind. KC should suffer the same fate her daughter met. Duct tape her mouth, nose many many times over. Let her see your eyes as you do it, just like Caylee must have seen her mothers eyes. Then let her know as graphically as you can how the animals will come one by one to tear her apart, little by little. There is no punishment either on this earth or in hell that is enough for KC. I want her to suffer, I mean really really really suffer & I want her to suffer for years.

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