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Discuss the family dynamics and psychological profiles of Casey and family in a constructive way, please do so here.
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[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70260"]Casey & Family Psychological Profile #1[/ame]
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[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72749"]Casey & Family Psychological Profile #5[/ame]
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80287"]Casey & Family Psychological Profile #6[/ame]
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84153"]Casey & Family Psychological Profile #7[/ame]
Hello WS
Statement to LE(Rick Plesae)
August 21st, 2008
RP: I know, well I, let me give you this, when they showed up for my wedding here, alright it was June 4th. They came in on June 3rd of 2005.
LE: Uh-hum
RP: And uh, I answer the door and Cindy and George came in. And then I look, because I only thought Cindy and George were coming to my wedding with my mom and dad, my other brothers were busy and I didn't want to bother them. We just had a real small ceremony on the beach here.
LE: Uh-hum
RP: So I,(inaudible)I looked up and Casey was at the door. And I looked and I go, oh Casey, I didn't know you were coming. And when I looked down she had a tight fitting top on and her stomach was protruding, alright? and her belly button was sticking out at least a half inch.
LE: And this is during, this is at your wedding?
RP: This is at, this is the day before my wedding.
LE: Okay
RP: So I invited them all in and we were all talking because I hadn't seen them for a long time. And when I got Cindy and George alone I said, Cindy, I said George, and I said, what's up with Casey? I said, you got something to tell me? What's going on here? And they, they go, "What?" And I said, is she expecting? And they looked at me like I was crazy. And I looked over at my, my uh, wife to be and she, she said, she just rolled her eyes, you know. And I, I said, Cindy, I said, she, she looks like she's pregnant. Come on. And Cindy goes, "Oh, no. No she's not. She's just putting on weight." I said, I said Cindy I said, I've seen a lot of pregnant girls, I said but I'm not an expert but man, I said, she looks pregnant. And everyone on my wife's side said, "Who's the pregnant girl?" You know, every time they, they would see her, or they saw pictures of our wedding, "Who's the pregnant girl?"
LE: Huh
RP: Well, so I said, Cindy I, I asked my mom and dad because they were there. And I go, mom, I said, Casey's pregnant, and she goes, "That's what dad and I thought, Cindy swears that she's not pregnant."
LE: And Cindys telling you this?
RP: Yeah, Cindy's a nurse. And I'm going mom, she's a nurse for crying out loud, she can't see it? And so I said, Cindy I said, come on. And I said, you're kidding me? Now tell me is, is Casey pregnant? And, and Cindy says, "Casey told us that she'd have to have sex first, in order to have a baby and that she did not have sex with anyone."(immaculate conception?)So I am thinking okay, then uh, if its not a baby then its a tumor and she's only got a short time to live because its big. Here she was seven months pregnant because she had it uh, on uh, August 9th.
LE: Well...
RP: (inaudible)
LE: What did George say about all of this?
RP: George was there too, he believed it too. They believe everything that Casey says. It's like are they blind? I'm, I'm, uh, my last email to her I go, you guys will go down in history as the stupidest parents in the universe.
LE: Uh-hum
RP: Because I swear to god. I said, you guys, I said, I know you're in denial and you don't see things from where I see it, you guys are in total denial. I said, you would see right away, I said Casey is the answer here. She's the only one that knows what she did with Caylee and if she doesn't talk, my god, shake the crap out of her, I, I said, oh, this is ridiculous and I, I would not have let her out of jail. I would have told her, I would have said put her in the general population and, and in a couple of days of that would have scared her so bad she would have talked and said anything she want, you know that, that was truth finally.
I do not believe the Anthony's are in denial. If they are then they have always lived that way: my understanding is denial is a defense mechanism used during traumatic events, a psychological state where the mind is not ready to face "the truth" or reality and so the person goes into denial until they feel safe to process their feelings.
I understand your 20 year old unmarried unemployed daughter getting pregnant is not ideal...but something to be in denial about? I don't think Caylee's disappearance/murder is being handled differently by the Anthony's than if it would have been anything else: this behavior is what caused them to be able to let Caylee be out of their lives first from June9th-June15th and then forever...this behavior is what created: The Anthony's: George, Cindy, Lee, Casey and the death of Caylee.
I think if denial is the best word we have for this behavior: we need a new definition.
(skip)
RP: And, and she was mad. She emailed me back and started yelling at me, and saying, "And what's this I hear you, you might go on Greta," and all this, and I said, look all I want is the facts to come out, I said, I don't think you've told all the facts here. And I said, I'm not trying to, to hurt you. I said, I still love you and I said, but this has gone on long enough. And I said there's a little girl missing here that, I said, in my gut I feel is dead. I said, that, that is my gut feeling and, and it, and its really bothering me that. I said, your daughter is in jail and she isn't saying anything and I said, that makes me madder than anything.
LE: Hmm
RP: And the fact that you cover it up that she tried to steal from mom and dad, and then Cindy goes, "Oh, she wrote, she only stole fifty bucks" and I said, I wrote her back and I said, no, no, I said mom told me its 354.00 from Dad's account, that's an account that couldn't, couldn't be gotten into. And uh, I said you were called on it because mom called and yelled at you and told you to do something with Casey. You didn't do anything and I said, its your fault that all this happened because you didn't sit on Casey like you should have.
(skip)
RP: Well I, I absolutely knew that Casey knew, she wasn't fooling me one bit. And I even, I, and my step-son here from my wife, he was in our wedding and, and he looked at her and he goes, "Do you know who the daddy is?" And she just looked at him and smiled. So she, she knew who, that she was pregnant.
(skip)
LE: What did, what did Cindy and George say after the baby was born? Obviously they took her to a hospital. I mean did they, did anybody call you back and say, yeah you were right?
RP: No. They, they, they won't do that, they're, they're uhm, uh, you, yeah you got to know my sister. When she's, she's, and it made her like really stupid is what it did. and she was a nurse and everything. So my mom's the one that's like, confirmed it on the phone call that, "you know, you were right, Casey was pregnant."
(skip)
LE: Uh, uhm, with regards to your knowledge of Casey and her ability to spin stories to her favor like you said earlier, how long did you now about her? How long did you, so to speak, have her number?
RP: Well, when I first saw the, the extent of what she could lie was at my wedding. I mean to look at people with a straight face and tell them, "oh, well I'm not pregnant I'm, I'm well(inaudible)" okay.
(skip)
The reason Casey can spin the truth to her advantage so well and look people straight in the face and lie is because she learned from her Mother and Father!
For her to go so far as to kill her daughter, I agree that Casey had a special alignment(Go AstroSleuths!) that predisposed her to making such a choice when confronted with her life troubles but Cindy, especially really hammered that nail...the layers of psychological impact of having two parents that are capable of this level of deception(of themselves because they really weren't fooling anyone else apparently)is staggering. And then they took her out in public and continued the lie, continued lying, creating the false reality right in front of Casey while she is in front of people: you know they were doing this with her as a child, and Lee and Caylee. This shows that different personalities take to heart different lessons: Casey identified with Cindy and so, much like a cult member, she became confident of Cindy's reality or ability to create her own reality. I think this is what Casey was/is trying to do with the death of Caylee.
RP will go on to say that he sees Cindy as someone who only wants the good to be known about her family. This is not what I see. A person that wants to keep the family secrets would not bring the pregnant daughter to the wedding.
Since we cannot really believe that Cindy could not have known that Casey was pregnant because that would make her dangerously dumb as a mother, grandmother and nurse, or crazy, we say she has pride: her brother did not even expect Casey at his wedding he was surprised to see her, why not have her stay home or at a hotel?
Just as we have seen this behavior in Cindy during this case: she screams for privacy while she is the one that breeches her privacy more than any other person even has the power: she has told Casey's friends bad things about her, so has George; not only friends but really anyone who would listen. It is she we have gotten our most incriminating evidence from thus far.
Again, why bring the family's business to a family, social function if you are so worried about what people think? There must be another reason Cindy acts like that: I'd say the same as her daughter and where her daughter gets it from: attention. And this is the crux of the competition between the two women: attention. Alpha female. If you never experienced a mother who feels in competition with her own offspring of the same sex: Cindy and Casey are textbook. I am sure they will be studied...
LE: How, and uh, is, is, when you were talking about your sister and, and how she, you, you mentioned that you know, you have to now my sister to understand that she wasn't uh, what, what did you mean by that? Does she uh...
RP: Well anything that happens in her family, if, if anything good happens everybody knew about it. Okay the whole family knew about it. Like Casey go a promotion and all this. Casey um, was supposed to be some kind of human resource uh, head of human resources or you know...so I mean we always heard the good news.
(skip)
LE: What is her propensity for having the same characteristic regarding lying as her daughter?
RP: I don't think she would lie. I think she would be just in like uhm, right now I think she's just in denial, thinking she's always raised her daughter(inaudible)that my daughter can do no wrong. No matter what it was, my daughter, that, that's my daughter, and, and she can't do any wrong.
Again I take issue with the idea that Cindy is "just in denial" and I also do not believe she can see no wrong with her daughter and she has proven more than capable of lying.
In the Cindy's inconsistency's thread and others we have statements from SP and RP and Lee, who states his came from Casey herself: mom thinks I am a bad mom. Cindy told Casey that she make a mistake with Caylee, Cindy felt that because Casey could not provide for Caylee like she could that she deserved control of Caylee.
I do not see where Cindy was incapable of thinking badly of Casey.
Inconsistent behavior once again: this may be a case of being crazy but not denial. For those mothers who feel their child can do no wrong: there is no deviation from that, especially to the child themselves. I do not think Casey felt or feels that her mother thinks she can do no wrong?
Cindy's behavior is not that of someone who has great pride and does not wish to share her families troubles with the world.
...jmo...
thanks.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70260"]Casey & Family Psychological Profile #1[/ame]
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69987"]Casey & Family Psychological Profile #2[/ame]
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76453"]Casey & Family Psychological Profile #3[/ame]
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78735"]Casey & Family Psychological Profile #4[/ame]
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72749"]Casey & Family Psychological Profile #5[/ame]
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80287"]Casey & Family Psychological Profile #6[/ame]
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84153"]Casey & Family Psychological Profile #7[/ame]
Hello WS
Statement to LE(Rick Plesae)
August 21st, 2008
RP: I know, well I, let me give you this, when they showed up for my wedding here, alright it was June 4th. They came in on June 3rd of 2005.
LE: Uh-hum
RP: And uh, I answer the door and Cindy and George came in. And then I look, because I only thought Cindy and George were coming to my wedding with my mom and dad, my other brothers were busy and I didn't want to bother them. We just had a real small ceremony on the beach here.
LE: Uh-hum
RP: So I,(inaudible)I looked up and Casey was at the door. And I looked and I go, oh Casey, I didn't know you were coming. And when I looked down she had a tight fitting top on and her stomach was protruding, alright? and her belly button was sticking out at least a half inch.
LE: And this is during, this is at your wedding?
RP: This is at, this is the day before my wedding.
LE: Okay
RP: So I invited them all in and we were all talking because I hadn't seen them for a long time. And when I got Cindy and George alone I said, Cindy, I said George, and I said, what's up with Casey? I said, you got something to tell me? What's going on here? And they, they go, "What?" And I said, is she expecting? And they looked at me like I was crazy. And I looked over at my, my uh, wife to be and she, she said, she just rolled her eyes, you know. And I, I said, Cindy, I said, she, she looks like she's pregnant. Come on. And Cindy goes, "Oh, no. No she's not. She's just putting on weight." I said, I said Cindy I said, I've seen a lot of pregnant girls, I said but I'm not an expert but man, I said, she looks pregnant. And everyone on my wife's side said, "Who's the pregnant girl?" You know, every time they, they would see her, or they saw pictures of our wedding, "Who's the pregnant girl?"
LE: Huh
RP: Well, so I said, Cindy I, I asked my mom and dad because they were there. And I go, mom, I said, Casey's pregnant, and she goes, "That's what dad and I thought, Cindy swears that she's not pregnant."
LE: And Cindys telling you this?
RP: Yeah, Cindy's a nurse. And I'm going mom, she's a nurse for crying out loud, she can't see it? And so I said, Cindy I said, come on. And I said, you're kidding me? Now tell me is, is Casey pregnant? And, and Cindy says, "Casey told us that she'd have to have sex first, in order to have a baby and that she did not have sex with anyone."(immaculate conception?)So I am thinking okay, then uh, if its not a baby then its a tumor and she's only got a short time to live because its big. Here she was seven months pregnant because she had it uh, on uh, August 9th.
LE: Well...
RP: (inaudible)
LE: What did George say about all of this?
RP: George was there too, he believed it too. They believe everything that Casey says. It's like are they blind? I'm, I'm, uh, my last email to her I go, you guys will go down in history as the stupidest parents in the universe.
LE: Uh-hum
RP: Because I swear to god. I said, you guys, I said, I know you're in denial and you don't see things from where I see it, you guys are in total denial. I said, you would see right away, I said Casey is the answer here. She's the only one that knows what she did with Caylee and if she doesn't talk, my god, shake the crap out of her, I, I said, oh, this is ridiculous and I, I would not have let her out of jail. I would have told her, I would have said put her in the general population and, and in a couple of days of that would have scared her so bad she would have talked and said anything she want, you know that, that was truth finally.
I do not believe the Anthony's are in denial. If they are then they have always lived that way: my understanding is denial is a defense mechanism used during traumatic events, a psychological state where the mind is not ready to face "the truth" or reality and so the person goes into denial until they feel safe to process their feelings.
I understand your 20 year old unmarried unemployed daughter getting pregnant is not ideal...but something to be in denial about? I don't think Caylee's disappearance/murder is being handled differently by the Anthony's than if it would have been anything else: this behavior is what caused them to be able to let Caylee be out of their lives first from June9th-June15th and then forever...this behavior is what created: The Anthony's: George, Cindy, Lee, Casey and the death of Caylee.
I think if denial is the best word we have for this behavior: we need a new definition.
(skip)
RP: And, and she was mad. She emailed me back and started yelling at me, and saying, "And what's this I hear you, you might go on Greta," and all this, and I said, look all I want is the facts to come out, I said, I don't think you've told all the facts here. And I said, I'm not trying to, to hurt you. I said, I still love you and I said, but this has gone on long enough. And I said there's a little girl missing here that, I said, in my gut I feel is dead. I said, that, that is my gut feeling and, and it, and its really bothering me that. I said, your daughter is in jail and she isn't saying anything and I said, that makes me madder than anything.
LE: Hmm
RP: And the fact that you cover it up that she tried to steal from mom and dad, and then Cindy goes, "Oh, she wrote, she only stole fifty bucks" and I said, I wrote her back and I said, no, no, I said mom told me its 354.00 from Dad's account, that's an account that couldn't, couldn't be gotten into. And uh, I said you were called on it because mom called and yelled at you and told you to do something with Casey. You didn't do anything and I said, its your fault that all this happened because you didn't sit on Casey like you should have.
(skip)
RP: Well I, I absolutely knew that Casey knew, she wasn't fooling me one bit. And I even, I, and my step-son here from my wife, he was in our wedding and, and he looked at her and he goes, "Do you know who the daddy is?" And she just looked at him and smiled. So she, she knew who, that she was pregnant.
(skip)
LE: What did, what did Cindy and George say after the baby was born? Obviously they took her to a hospital. I mean did they, did anybody call you back and say, yeah you were right?
RP: No. They, they, they won't do that, they're, they're uhm, uh, you, yeah you got to know my sister. When she's, she's, and it made her like really stupid is what it did. and she was a nurse and everything. So my mom's the one that's like, confirmed it on the phone call that, "you know, you were right, Casey was pregnant."
(skip)
LE: Uh, uhm, with regards to your knowledge of Casey and her ability to spin stories to her favor like you said earlier, how long did you now about her? How long did you, so to speak, have her number?
RP: Well, when I first saw the, the extent of what she could lie was at my wedding. I mean to look at people with a straight face and tell them, "oh, well I'm not pregnant I'm, I'm well(inaudible)" okay.
(skip)
The reason Casey can spin the truth to her advantage so well and look people straight in the face and lie is because she learned from her Mother and Father!
For her to go so far as to kill her daughter, I agree that Casey had a special alignment(Go AstroSleuths!) that predisposed her to making such a choice when confronted with her life troubles but Cindy, especially really hammered that nail...the layers of psychological impact of having two parents that are capable of this level of deception(of themselves because they really weren't fooling anyone else apparently)is staggering. And then they took her out in public and continued the lie, continued lying, creating the false reality right in front of Casey while she is in front of people: you know they were doing this with her as a child, and Lee and Caylee. This shows that different personalities take to heart different lessons: Casey identified with Cindy and so, much like a cult member, she became confident of Cindy's reality or ability to create her own reality. I think this is what Casey was/is trying to do with the death of Caylee.
RP will go on to say that he sees Cindy as someone who only wants the good to be known about her family. This is not what I see. A person that wants to keep the family secrets would not bring the pregnant daughter to the wedding.
Since we cannot really believe that Cindy could not have known that Casey was pregnant because that would make her dangerously dumb as a mother, grandmother and nurse, or crazy, we say she has pride: her brother did not even expect Casey at his wedding he was surprised to see her, why not have her stay home or at a hotel?
Just as we have seen this behavior in Cindy during this case: she screams for privacy while she is the one that breeches her privacy more than any other person even has the power: she has told Casey's friends bad things about her, so has George; not only friends but really anyone who would listen. It is she we have gotten our most incriminating evidence from thus far.
Again, why bring the family's business to a family, social function if you are so worried about what people think? There must be another reason Cindy acts like that: I'd say the same as her daughter and where her daughter gets it from: attention. And this is the crux of the competition between the two women: attention. Alpha female. If you never experienced a mother who feels in competition with her own offspring of the same sex: Cindy and Casey are textbook. I am sure they will be studied...
LE: How, and uh, is, is, when you were talking about your sister and, and how she, you, you mentioned that you know, you have to now my sister to understand that she wasn't uh, what, what did you mean by that? Does she uh...
RP: Well anything that happens in her family, if, if anything good happens everybody knew about it. Okay the whole family knew about it. Like Casey go a promotion and all this. Casey um, was supposed to be some kind of human resource uh, head of human resources or you know...so I mean we always heard the good news.
(skip)
LE: What is her propensity for having the same characteristic regarding lying as her daughter?
RP: I don't think she would lie. I think she would be just in like uhm, right now I think she's just in denial, thinking she's always raised her daughter(inaudible)that my daughter can do no wrong. No matter what it was, my daughter, that, that's my daughter, and, and she can't do any wrong.
Again I take issue with the idea that Cindy is "just in denial" and I also do not believe she can see no wrong with her daughter and she has proven more than capable of lying.
In the Cindy's inconsistency's thread and others we have statements from SP and RP and Lee, who states his came from Casey herself: mom thinks I am a bad mom. Cindy told Casey that she make a mistake with Caylee, Cindy felt that because Casey could not provide for Caylee like she could that she deserved control of Caylee.
I do not see where Cindy was incapable of thinking badly of Casey.
Inconsistent behavior once again: this may be a case of being crazy but not denial. For those mothers who feel their child can do no wrong: there is no deviation from that, especially to the child themselves. I do not think Casey felt or feels that her mother thinks she can do no wrong?
Cindy's behavior is not that of someone who has great pride and does not wish to share her families troubles with the world.
...jmo...