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    I did a search for Margaret; do not see a post. Does someone have time to set one up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roselvr View Post
    I did a search for Margaret; do not see a post. Does someone have time to set one up?
    I suppose I could make an entry for Margaret, but I'm not sure I understand why it's important to do. Is it for completeness' sake, or something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vermontaigne View Post
    I suppose I could make an entry for Margaret, but I'm not sure I understand why it's important to do. Is it for completeness' sake, or something else?
    Yes; but I guess it really doesn't matter at this point.

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    I came over here to mention Margaret Walden and I see this is already being looked into. In my opinion it is highly likely. I will be shocked if it's not her.

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    http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcase...prings/8826/8/

    A recent lead indicated is showing promise that he has found the family of Jane Doe. A family that has been missing their daughter since she disappeared from San Diego in the summer of 1982.

    The last they had heard from their daughter, whose nickname was Margo, she told them she had gone on a camping trip and was then working as a waitress at a Durango restaurant. She was asking for money to help her get home.

    The composite drawing of Jane Doe is very close to the appearance of their daughter and they also identified the jewelry. But in order to conclusively say Margo is Jane Doe, authorities need a DNA or dental link.

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    What am I missing? Both say DNA Sample submitted - Tests complete. This isn't a case I've followed so am unsure
    Margaret Walden NamUs DNA Sample submitted - Tests complete
    NamUs UP # 5326 DNA Sample submitted - Tests complete

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    Beats me. The detective on the case seems pretty tenacious, so it seems like he'd be breathing down their necks to either make the match or rule it out.

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    http://www.pagosasun.com/second-vict...de-identified/

    Nearly 32 years after her body was found washed up on an island in the San Juan River, the female victim of a 1982 double homicide was positively identified as Margaret Ann Walden earlier this week — the week she would have turned 72.

    Coincidentally, Walden’s body was also rediscovered on Wednesday — after years in an unmarked grave in an Espanola, N.M. church cemetery and several previous attempts to locate her body in the same cemetery.

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    Wow, the stats were off on this one. Like, really really off.

    Estimated age: 25 - 35 years old
    Margaret's age: 39

    Estimated height: 5'2
    Margaret's height: 5'10
    (For the record, the last biggest height discrepancy in a WS match was 4 inches. That was in two different cases: Robert Donlick and Troy Kozkowski. Margaret's case was twice that.)

    Estimated hair color: Brown
    Margaret's hair color: Blonde

    UP's medical history: Hysterectomy. No mention of any other surgery
    Margaret's medical history: Mastectomy + bullet wound scar on chest. No mention of hysterectomy

    When I look for PMs, I allow for three inches discrepancy in the estimated height and three years off the age range (if the person's estimated age is 40 - 50, I'll go 37 - 53). There's no way I would have hit on her; I would have ruled her out immediately just based on the height, and with the hair color + age difference to back it up. Actually, I'll go a step further and say I don't think LE would have even considered Margaret if it weren't for the jewelry that was on her, and the fact that she had run away with a sailor (which Stewart Simmons was).

    Makes you wonder how many matches have been missed because of errors like that.

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    Thanks! I'm still scratching my head as both NamUs profiles are online!
    I have to wonder why NamUs did not make the match?

    edit - According to the newest article; (if I am reading it right) it sounds like NM held Jane Doe's sample but refused to test against Margo's relatives....

    Quote Originally Posted by Roselvr View Post
    What am I missing? Both say DNA Sample submitted - Tests complete. This isn't a case I've followed so am unsure
    Margaret Walden NamUs DNA Sample submitted - Tests complete
    NamUs UP # 5326 DNA Sample submitted - Tests complete
    Last edited by Roselvr; 08-22-2014 at 10:50 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vermontaigne View Post
    I suppose I could make an entry for Margaret, but I'm not sure I understand why it's important to do. Is it for completeness' sake, or something else?
    Congrats for solving these cases!

    Second victim in 1982 double homicide identified
    An amateur and a lead

    The lead that ultimately led to the identification of both Simmons and Walden came to Barter through email from an amateur sleuth, Barter explained.

    The unidentified sleuth, Barter explained in February, is part of a group of amateur sleuths who pore over websites filled with missing persons and cold cases, such as The Doe Network and NamUs (National Unidentified and Missing Persons System).

    “I’ve spent literally hours and hours and hours in those databases,” Barter said after Simmons was identified in February, adding he believed the tip from the sleuth because other investigative work led him to believe the victim was in the Navy in California.

    Simmons was identified through dental records on file with the Navy.

    A second identification

    Simmons, who went AWOL (absent without leave) from the Navy, had mentioned to his parents that he had met a woman, a waitress known as Margo, shortly before leaving California.

    The amateur sleuth also pointed Barter to Walden as a possible identification for the female victim and Barter was able to make contact with the missing woman’s family and retrieve DNA samples from a missing persons file on her.

    It was also revealed that Simmons and Walden, who often went by the name Margo, had gone missing from the same town in 1982 and, working with Walden’s family, Barter was able to learn that Walden had left town with a younger sailor.

    Walden’s sister recalled that Walden was dating a younger sailor and the pair had gone on a camping trip together. Shortly before his disappearance, Simmons had rented camping equipment at the local Navy base.

    Those stories also aligned with an old witness statement, Barter said.

    Further adding to the idea that Walden was in fact Barter’s Jane Doe, Barter showed items found on the body to Walden’s sister — who identified both a coat she had seen Walden wear and jewelry the sister had given to Walden in 1973.

    While Walden, who had been reported missing after she left California, was once married to a sailor, Barter said no dental records were found for her, either with the Navy or elsewhere, ruling out an identification via dental records.

    What did exist, however, were DNA samples from Walden’s mom and sister

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    For what it's worth, and I don't remember the woman's name, and I don't recall the numbers with precision, the all time height discrepancy between the MP and the UID was 10 or more inches. [it was not a WS match] Going strictly from memory, there was a young woman who died in an accident involving a truck. I think she was a passenger in the truck and either she was from California or the accident happened in CA. I think the UID's measurement was the one that was wildly off.

    I recall wondering how they could be that far off when they her corpse and it was not one of those situations where there had been a horrific fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    I recall wondering how they could be that far off when they her corpse and it was not one of those situations where there had been a horrific fire.
    Perhaps the height on the missing person report was overstated, and the estimated height of the UID was a little too low. Margaret's MP report says her hair is blonde, but it looks brown in the photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roselvr View Post
    Thanks! I'm still scratching my head as both NamUs profiles are online!
    I have to wonder why NamUs did not make the match?

    edit - According to the newest article; (if I am reading it right) it sounds like NM held Jane Doe's sample but refused to test against Margo's relatives....
    I have an answer. This goes to show that we can't assume DNA processed & complete means that NamUs holds them or ever that they were run through the same system. It just means that someone has the DNA on file.

    The person I spoke to from NamUs said that one sample (Margo's family) was at CalDOJ lab and the other (Margo as JD) was at FBI. They do not know outside of UNT if they were at the level to be compared nationally.

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    Here is the thread for the UID I was thinking of. The measurements were off between 5 to 10 inches:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ghlight=height

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