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    Quote Originally Posted by GoBrewers View Post
    The evidence posted was about one of the dudes who woke up in the river and some other guy who broke into a medical center after being chased from a bridged area. I have to relook tomorrow as reading all the trash on topix and things essentially destroyed my brain. Ill edit the post asap, just have a few more things to check out
    OK-Thanks GB-I forward to what you find-very interesting info!!


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    If this is so widespread you'd think someone would have gotten away by now. JMO


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    This may have already been posted and I may have missed it but...the smiley face picture that I saw on the Kirsten Piehl blog looked like a King gang sign. We had one on the top of our garbage can and I googled gang sign ....in my area and gang signs came up. It said this particular sign was Kings Latin Gang. It looked like it anyway. I have always wondered about the cases in MN, WI, it seems very strange, and the Harvard Student who's wife was pregnant is very sad. It's all very sad and I am sure LE will work hard to find out.


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    Missing college student found dead

    Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:35 a.m. CDT


    Mark Wegener

    WHITEWATER, WIs (WSAU) A missing college student has been found, dead, after falling off a ledge at a quarry in Walworth County.

    20-year-old Mark Wegener was last seen near his apartment leaving a party around 1am Saturday. He'd been attending U-W Whitewater. He was reported missing the next day when he didn't return home. His body was found at the bottom of a gravel pit on Monday morning.

    Police say foul play is not suspected. There are indications that he slipped and fell. An autopsy on the body is planned for today.


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    Benjamin R. Fuder – Body Located July 29, 2012
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    Benjamin R. Fuder – Left downtown area alone after midnight.

    Located deceased.



    Benjamin R. Fuder, a University of Wisconsin-Whitewater student reported missing over the weekend was found dead at a quarry early Sunday, according to the Walworth County Sheriff’s Department.

    The body of Benjamin R. Fuder was last seen in downtown Whitewater around 12:30 a.m. Saturday. Fuder’s body was found at Whitewater Limestone Quarry in the town of Whitewater at 6:45 a.m. Sunday. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

    A Walworth County dispatcher on Sunday afternoon refused to reveal Fuder’s age or hometown or cause of death and referred questions to the Walworth County sheriff, who was not in the office Sunday.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherish View Post
    Missing college student found dead

    Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:35 a.m. CDT


    Mark Wegener

    WHITEWATER, WIs (WSAU) A missing college student has been found, dead, after falling off a ledge at a quarry in Walworth County.

    20-year-old Mark Wegener was last seen near his apartment leaving a party around 1am Saturday. He'd been attending U-W Whitewater. He was reported missing the next day when he didn't return home. His body was found at the bottom of a gravel pit on Monday morning.

    Police say foul play is not suspected. There are indications that he slipped and fell. An autopsy on the body is planned for today.


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    Benjamin R. Fuder – Body Located July 29, 2012
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    Benjamin R. Fuder – Left downtown area alone after midnight.

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    Benjamin R. Fuder, a University of Wisconsin-Whitewater student reported missing over the weekend was found dead at a quarry early Sunday, according to the Walworth County Sheriff’s Department.

    The body of Benjamin R. Fuder was last seen in downtown Whitewater around 12:30 a.m. Saturday. Fuder’s body was found at Whitewater Limestone Quarry in the town of Whitewater at 6:45 a.m. Sunday. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

    A Walworth County dispatcher on Sunday afternoon refused to reveal Fuder’s age or hometown or cause of death and referred questions to the Walworth County sheriff, who was not in the office Sunday.
    I am not sure about the deaths being related to the River Killings. I feel these are being perpetrated by someone local to the Whitewater area; unless there is absolute and compelling evidence that proves these deaths are unrelated, self-inflicted, or accidents (as they have been ruled), I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe they are random.

    Why:

    1) Having been a resident of WW at one time and spending seven years driving back and forth on South Franklin to reach a former residence multiple times a day, I NEVER saw college students walking or biking this direction at anytime of the day - not once, ever. There were/are a few walkers (regulars) and the occasional avid cyclist that use this route in addition to two sets of children that ride down this road and NEVER at night. - This is a route I drove daily. There is absolutely NO reason for college students to ever take this route, and in the seven years I occupied my residence, NEVER saw a college student on this route...NEVER.

    2) The road to the quarry where the students "fell" in is: gravel, dark, long, out of the way, and would be completely unfamiliar to anyone who has not spent a good deal of time in Whitewater. They would not "happen" upon it. Though it is on a local short cut, it is not a short cut that a student would use...period. It just isn't. Students that travel use P to get to Whitewater lake and the state parks...this I know for a fact. They do not use South Franklin. This can easily be checked by doing a car count and visualizing if the people look like locals or students. They are rarely students.

    3) 14 months - 14 months for students to fall in, same age (almost), same place, both students, both not extreme drinkers but at bars/parties drinking, both having the appearance of GHB to friends and bartenders? - unofficial complete hear say.

    4) Dispute over in one case where the wallet was found and why it wasn't on the students person. Both led to police over an anonymous tip?

    I just don't buy it...any of it. As someone who lived in Whitewater this seems strange to me. VERY strange.

    Campus and campus housing is in the opposite direction, restaurants are in the opposite direction, bars are in the opposite direction, help is in the opposite direction, stores, traffic and everything else are in the opposite direction. The quarry is for locals, used by locals, private and off the beaten path.

    For this reason IMO:
    These kids were murdered.

    I feel the person is a local, or someone who lived in WW someone who is very, very familiar with the area, the quarry, the times that equipment and personnel start and stop. Most likely someone who has lived there thier whole life, or someone with strong roots to Whitewater.

    I feel the person or persons are either part of an organized group, or has a highly organized mind and is with deliberation killing or orchestrating the killings - though I feel the victims are random chosen that night...not followed, a planed murder with an unplanned victim.

    If not part of a group there is some reason the victims "trust" the perp - could be LE, could be someone who appears non-threatening, offering a ride.

    or

    Victim could be being drugged, targeted and killed (some have voiced a gang theory - could be possible? not sure) Whitewater has a high Latino and Hispanic community on the east side. Someone else voiced LK, though I would NEVER do so. I guess it is possible, this is not an area of expertise for me, so I would know little of what to look for except perhaps shoes, cars, etc...

    I feel strongly that these kids are being killed.

    The number five comes up for me, so perhaps that is random, or perhaps that is something significant I don't know. I am not a psychic...

    The time I spent in Whitewater was brief, it is a wonderful community...and again, perhaps there is HARD evidence that says the kids just fell in, or were partying with a group of friends and fell in. To me, the quarry is not a place anyone travels to alone, ever.

    Its not. The community is notorious for keeping or trying to keep their reputation clean...though my guess is it is getting harder these days. The community prefers to be viewed as a safe town; wonderful raising families, catering to disabled students, etc... I imagine that is why the cut and dry "no foul play". The town is small enough that the locals are not likely to speak at all about crime, no one wants to step on anyone toes..everyone plays nice, because you might just work for the persons brother whose toes you step on, or your child might be in the teachers class of the husband whose toes you just stepped on.

    I simply do not believe it, on any level...though if there is compelling evidence which proves these kids fell in: I live for the truth.

    Again this is all my opinion, none of it is true. I pray for the families and parents of these victims in their search for peace.

    Its very sad either way.


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    http://sfkillers.com/

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    See video from above link. Interesting comments too. (video of Josh outside bar)
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    I somehow stumbled onto that link ^above^. Very informative,and makes a very compelling case.


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    Posting advance notice to readers that the parents of Matthew Ward and of Joshua Swalls will each be giving Killing Killers in depth interviews in early December concerning their sons' disappearances and drownings in Indiana this past October and November.

    This will hopefully shed additional light on these suspicious deaths, as well as to call more public attention to the young mens' cases so police will feel compelled to continue to investigate them.

    The first interview, regarding Matt, is scheduled to go live here in the opening days of December, followed shortly thereafter by Joshua's. Photos will accompany.


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    Here is part of that interview with Walton Matthew Ward's mother. He had a blind date set up from cupid.com but the date never showed....apparently Matthew had mentioned a few things about this girl and one thing that struck his mom as strange was that the girl had told her son she had a women's wrestling scholarship from Indiana. The mother looked into that and found there were NO women's wrestling scholarships of any kind there. And he made a one second 911 call that was terminated soon before he "accidentally" drowned in 3 FEET OF WATER!!!!!


    cut & pasted:

    Q#28: Who first discovered the cell data concerning the emergency phone call, and how did detectives react when they learned that Matt had dialed 911 only minutes before he went missing?
    “The missing person detective had the phone records pulled, so we knew very early he had dialed 911. Their answer was it was probably a misdial, no worries.”
    Q#29: Was the 911 call the last one Matt made, and who else had he chatted with or attempted to notify in the course of that entire evening?
    “Yes, the 911 call was the last outgoing call I am aware of. I can now pick the phone up at IMPD, not sure what good it will do now. They have been messing with it for weeks. Who knows what they have done.”
    Q#30: Throughout law enforcement’s handling of your son’s disappearance and drowning, do you feel they have been 100% helpful and forthright?
    “NO, and I [take issue] with their incompetence. [The answer below is from Matthew’s father, my ex-husband.]”
    “The answer is absolutely NO. The IMPD effort has been very frustrating and unresponsive during the entire process from the initial missing report to this moment! IMPD initially filed the necessary electronic missing person report but took no action to investigate the case. It appears they chose to manage the case from behind their desk and did not take any proactive action. My ex-wife assumed the investigative responsibility by going to various bars in the Broad Ripple area interviewing bar managers, security personnel, bartenders and employees. She established locations, timelines, videos, and contact names who had met my son that night. She obtained mobile phone and computer data to help trace leads. She had posters with a picture made, posted and distributed. She contacted the media and conducted multiple TV interviews to increase awareness. All pertinent information was given to IMPD for follow up. IMPD was lethargic with the follow up appearing to hope my son would magically appear. The one consistent response we got from IMPD was how very busy and overworked the detectives were with each handling approximately 30+ cases.
    “Not until the body was recovered and positively identified 11 days later (Oct 23) in the White River did any real follow up take place. The response was still very slow taking weeks to make contacts, conduct interviews, search the area and gather facts. To this date (Dec 5) many questions remain without answers. We had provided a specific list of open issues . Yet IMPD has classified his death as accidental due to drowning, stating it appears my son accidently fell into the canal. It is very suspicious and illogical that a very healthy and strongly trained 23-year-old athlete ‘fell’ and drown in three feet of water on his own.
    Q#31: What is the current status of the police investigation into Matt’s death, and have you received the final autopsy and toxicology reports yet? If so, can you share any or all of these findings with the public?
    “As it stands right now it will be accidental. They found ‘no defensive wounds’ or head injuries. I do not think they could tell too much about scratches after nine days in the water. However when pressed, they indicated ‘no trauma’ whatsoever.”
    Interviewer's note: There were three very different Blood/Alcohol findings (BAC) in this case, depending on the organ tested. These were: 0.132 in the eye, 0.28 in the heart, and 0.4 in the urine. Police told Julie Kvinge they “don’t know what this means.” Making the final BAC determination even more murky is the fact that alcohol is naturally produced in all dead bodies during decomposition and especially elevated in those that have been submerged.
    Q#32: Do you believe your son really drowned, or do you think he was murdered?
    “My son was murdered, and I will spend the rest of my life looking for who did this cowardly act to my son. I know this group or whatever they are have gotten away with this over and over. I believe from what I know their time is coming to an end very soon.” Julie Kvinge, mother
    “I believe he was murdered on the basis of: 1) a 911 mobile call being placed at 1:40 am and terminated within one second 2) his cell phone was found two weeks later in workable condition on the bank of the canal (normally would be in his pocket) 3) he was in excellent physical condition capable of getting out of three feet of water and, 4) he was visiting from California and was not familiar with the area and accessible paths to the canal. My conclusion: Someone (probably more than one) was with him and knows what happened.” –Walt Ward, father


    Read the whole interview here. His mother shared many details. IMO,there is someone or a group of people that are targeting these young men. I believe that are doing their research on these men beforehand...whether it is through facebook or dating sites such as cupid.com. Maybe some of them are accidents but cases like Walton Matthew Ward's really strike me as odd.

    http://killingkillers.blogspot.com/p...nterviews.html


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    My God what a set up!

    We don't even know if he was meeting an actual female. A male could masquerade as a female online.

    How sad. Drowned on his own in three feet of water....my behind.
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    http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-missi...6502669.column

    Check out the third comment.

    springaxe12 at 6:15 AM October 24, 2012

    Do not buy into the no foul play thing!!! My nephew was jumped, beaten, and left for dead in the canal near there. He was allowed to make one last call to tell someone to never quit looking for him as he was told by the three or four people who jumped him that he was going to die that night. Fortunately, that time, they failed! Don't stop pressing the issue!!!!


    Hmmm....
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    These drowning cases of male college students with similar physical height and weight, etc. both enfuriates me and intugues me...

    I have followed on WS some cases that fit these parameters... And am interested to learn more about research regarding this mystery.

    JMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by IHAVENOCLUE View Post
    These drowning cases of male college students with similar physical height and weight, etc. both enfuriates me and intugues me...

    I have followed on WS some cases that fit these parameters... And am interested to learn more about research regarding this mystery.

    JMO
    Me too!


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    Do you think that the death of Jonathan Dailey may fit in? He was college age living in Boston. He left his apt at night. They found him a week later chained to cinder blocks in the river. ME is still determining if foul play was involved.

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