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    Quote Originally Posted by yosande View Post
    Imo, LE should not have withheld autopsy records from her family in the first place. Some things, the family has a right to know, and should be told, unless they choose to not want to know.
    LE should give more respect to family members of victims.
    Having said that, I hope my intuition that her mom was involved is wrong.

    God Bless little Neveah, may she rest in peace.
    May the minds and hearts of those who did this to her never sleep another night without nightmares, until they confess to their crimes against little Neveah.
    May they be consumed with fear of being found out, and tormented with guilt. May they turn themselves in quickly if for no other reason, then just to get relieve from the nightmares, the consuming guilt, and the fear.
    Amen.
    The investigation takes precedent over the family seeing the autopsy results. My MIL was murdered 5 years ago, we still do not have the autopsy results from the state.

    In this case there is a psychopath on the loose (supposedly) that buried a five year old alive. That is a huge risk to the community. Releasing the autopsy to anyone, family or not, completely compromises the investigation. They could have used details from the autopsy to know whether a suspect knows about the crime or not. The autopsy being leaked to the press is the outrageous part. MOO

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    How devastating for you all, impatientredhead, I'm sorry.

    I totally agree with what you are saying. Unless they purposely leaked it. That is my only other thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    It tells me the perp could not complete the act for whatever reason. JMO. I pray she was unconscious when she suffocated so that her terror was lessened. Clearly something happened while she was conscious that caused her to put up a sufficient fuss that she was clawing at carpet-are we sure it was not inside of a vehicle?
    It also might make one think that this was made to look like a sexual attack, when in fact, it really wasn't. JMO - but I can't wait to see what the carpet fibers from Nevaeh's apt. turn out to tell us.

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    OMG, I just checked in hoping to see if there was an arrest and I was not prepared to read this news. I did NOT even read the links, just seeing the posts was more than I could bear to know. I can't even write what I am feeling because it would be bleeped or deleted altogether.

    What monster did this to this baby? I have a 3 year old and 7 year old granddaughers and I am just sick to think anyone could harm a hair on their precious heads. Grandsons too, not just my granddaughters.


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    I wish I were surprised, but I'm not. My suspicions were from the beginning that she was buried alive. I had hoped not, but I really did figure she was.

    I am glad that at least the report wasn't supposed to be leaked, it doesn't make it any better that it was, but I feel a little better knowing that it wasn't intentonally released.

    I am beginning to see more and signs of panic in the disposal and murder. Most people do not move a body unless they have to. I can't imagine it's a fun task as decomp starts pretty quick.

    For the most part, unless a person has jerry rigged carpet scraps for floormats, they can tell the difference between home carpeting and car carpeting. Car carpet is made to hide dirt and the fibers are not as tightly woven, making it possible for dirt to fall into the bottom of the mat. It is also usually composed of different materials than house carpet. If they are searching homes and taking carpet samples, then they are relatively sure that the fibers are from a home.

    ETA: Okay, not from the beginning, I did suspect she was dead from day one, but ever since the discovery of the body, I have bet on things coming to light pretty much the way they have.
    Last edited by not_my_kids; 07-18-2009 at 03:01 PM.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.

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    Sweet Jesus, how horrifying for that sweet little girl!! When I read about this, I was enraged! How anyone could do this to an innocent child, I will never understand it. Thank God I won't understand it either. I pray that LE finds out who did this and prosecutes them and that they get the death penalty. I really wish that there were more strict laws against people that commit crimes against children (even one time). They need to be locked away for life! JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debbie0604 View Post
    Sweet Jesus, how horrifying for that sweet little girl!! When I read about this, I was enraged! How anyone could do this to an innocent child, I will never understand it. Thank God I won't understand it either. I pray that LE finds out who did this and prosecutes them and that they get the death penalty. I really wish that there were more strict laws against people that commit crimes against children (even one time). They need to be locked away for life! JMO.
    MI= no death penalty.

    It's a nice thought though.
    JMO. Unless there's a link, I can't prove it.

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    I think the lack of sexual assault means that the perp did not take her for sexual gratification and therefore, maybe we are not looking for an SO at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DotsEyes View Post
    I think the lack of sexual assault means that the perp did not take her for sexual gratification and therefore, maybe we are not looking for an SO at all.
    I thought they hadn't released info about whether she was sexually assaulted. Did I miss that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DotsEyes View Post
    I think the lack of sexual assault means that the perp did not take her for sexual gratification and therefore, maybe we are not looking for an SO at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by STEADFAST View Post
    I thought they hadn't released info about whether she was sexually assaulted. Did I miss that?
    That is a novel thought here DotsEyes. And I don't think they have given out that info yet STEADFAST.

    We have pretty well concentrated on SO involvement here. The family had SO's in and around them which gave us the thought. Her being found naked also adds to that. Children are so often sexually abused by family and friends.

    I think her abduction falls into that 30% statistic of either family or friend being involved. It could have been an accident.

    However, if it was accidental, IMO, it happened around someone who was very angry with her to kill her in such a viscous way. That would have to be a crazy person.

    Or else she was taken to be killed by some serial type killer - maybe his first kill. It was just such a bizarre death with the possibility of several unique MO's.


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    scandi - In my wildest dreams I wouldn't think of this as an accident!!!! This child was asphyxiated probably by holding her face down in dirt (not sure where), then her clothes were taken off and put beneath her in a shallow dirt grave where people are known to fish by the river bank. She was put in a fetal position where a bag of cement was poured over her and mixed with water until hardened. ACCIDENT? I don't think so!! mho My very first thoughts were that someone was being set up, a gotcha..an fu... (framed). If this is the work of a pedophile, his profile is different from most. Most children, once dead, are nothing but objects to a pedophile and thrown anywhere convenient. This horrendous sequence of events is the extreme of what this person had to do in order to feel a sense of power and control over this child or someone else. Yikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes4crime View Post
    scandi - In my wildest dreams I wouldn't think of this as an accident!!!! This child was asphyxiated probably by holding her face down in dirt (not sure where), then her clothes were taken off and put beneath her in a shallow dirt grave where people are known to fish by the river bank. She was put in a fetal position where a bag of cement was poured over her and mixed with water until hardened. ACCIDENT? I don't think so!! mho My very first thoughts were that someone was being set up, a gotcha..an fu... (framed). If this is the work of a pedophile, his profile is different from most. Most children, once dead, are nothing but objects to a pedophile and thrown anywhere convenient. This horrendous sequence of events is the extreme of what this person had to do in order to feel a sense of power and control over this child or someone else. Yikes!
    I do agree with you and threw the accident idea out to expand our horizons. Maybe in trying to hide her he accidently smothered her and then realized she wasn't dead so had to finish her off.

    I don't know what to think there are so many possibilities. It does boggle my mind tho that she was evidently naked somewhere else as there were carpet fibres on her body as well as under her nails. I also think by pushing her face into the dirt he wanted to make sure she was dead. Cement dust in her lunfs will tell the answer to that.

    I hope they are close to making an arrest. They know so much. What is it they don't know yet to put this sick person behind bars. The townspeople must be totally on edge knowing this guy is still walking their streets!

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    I think that whomever buried her did so because he/she needed Nevaeh dead in order to protect his/her identity for an assault but he/she was too chicken ****e to kill her any other way, so he/she buied her alive instead. Not having physically beat her/shot her/etc to death may make the pep feel less guilty somehow.
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    more thoughts

    Just wanted to comment on some of the fine points you made in your post and offer an additional thought to consider as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by scandi View Post
    . . .We have pretty well concentrated on SO involvement here. The family had SO's in and around them which gave us the thought. Her being found naked also adds to that. Children are so often sexually abused by family and friends.. . .
    Very true. In fact I have been sort of half expecting to learn of such an involvement in this case simply because it happens so often that family or other care givers are involved in a childs abuse/death.

    Quote Originally Posted by scandi
    . . .IMO, it happened around someone who was very angry with her to kill her in such a viscous way. That would have to be a crazy person. . . .
    It does sound like the result of a rage of some kind at first glance but I just don't yet know for sure due to a previous case as I will explain in a moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by scandi
    . . .Or else she was taken to be killed by some serial type killer - maybe his first kill. It was just such a bizarre death with the possibility of several unique MO's.
    Also very possible.

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    Now one additional thought or two:
    1. I remember a case (I think it was in FLA) of a girl that was molested and killed by an SO but he was a druggie and was under the influence of the drugs when he acted and he also buried his young victim and if I remember correctly she also was alive when buried. (Good thing that perp is out of circulation.)

    That case makes me remember that there can be many influences on why a perp does the things he/she does.

    2. The disposal place of the body seems to tell a bit though. The perp was comfortable enough with that spot to take the time to dispose of the child there.

    I think it is possible the perp/s have been in jail before and have heard a little of how to make a body disposal look a bit like a serial killer dump.

    I am thinking the perp/s spend or have spent quite a bit of time within an area about 20 mins drive time from the childs home and thus felt safe enough to take a child and then dispose of her within that area.

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    Why?????
    That's all i can think of.....that's all that keeps going through my mind....
    Why the HELL does some sick twisted piece of crap have to snatch an innocent sweet little princess and do such unspeakable things to her????
    Why???
    (I just now...while i'm on the couch on pain meds trying to recover from a bad UTI/kidney infection.....caught up on Nevaeh's story.....and i'm blown away and so incredibly sad and also so incredibly thankful that i'm sitting here in my living room w/ all 3 of my precious kids all safe and sound)
    I sat there for the longest time
    after you were gone....
    thinking about all things we said.....
    and all the things we didn't say...
    I wonder if you misunderstood,
    cause I'm no good when it comes to talking....
    And I'm sorry,I didn't know the words.......
    to make you stay.

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