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    Is inventing an imaginanny evidence of premeditation?

    I have been pondering this and would like to know what others think concerning Casey claiming to have a nanny named Zanny way back before Caylee went missing, and then conveniently when Caylee winds up dead, Casey blames the nanny she made up months before! Please weigh in, because Premeditation being proved is an element for the death penalty, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks in Advance... TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by tweety933 View Post
    I have been pondering this and would like to know what others think concerning Casey claiming to have a nanny named Zanny way back before Caylee went missing, and then conveniently when Caylee winds up dead, Casey blames the nanny she made up months before! Please weigh in, because Premeditation being proved is an element for the death penalty, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks in Advance... TIA
    I don't think Zani was invented as someone to blame for Caylee's death. I am not even sure KC was going to ever say Caylee was kidnapped. I think there is a great possibility KC was just going to avoid ever seeing her family. Her friends were no problem. They weren't paying attention to KC's mothering skills. Somewhere in the back of KC's brain I think she was hoping a miracle would make the problem of her mother go away if she kept stalling. Maybe Tony would propose and they'd start a new life together in NY? Maybe Mark H. would decide he was so desperate to see her, he'd send her the necessary airfare & she'd fall in love with him? Maybe the chemistry between her and William W. would ignite and he'd wisk her away with him somewhere out of Cindy's sight? So many possibilities...

    I used to think KC was planning to blame Zani in advance. But, after reading LE interviews and the document releases, I changed my mind I changed my mind. There is no evidence of it before or after June 16.

    I think Zani was invented by KC to explain what KC did with Caylee when KC "worked". KC couldn't tell her mother she was bringing Caylee over to Ricardo's house and letting Caylee share the bed. On nights Cindy was unable to babysit, if Cindy knew KC was taking Caylee along to parties, Cindy might make KC stay HOME. KC didn't want to have to stay home.

    Zani had already been invented and couldn't be contacted and cross-examined by Cindy, so KC pulled her out of her hat when cornered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolynna View Post
    I don't think Zani was invented as someone to blame for Caylee's death. I am not even sure KC was going to ever say Caylee was kidnapped. I think there is a great possibility KC was just going to avoid ever seeing her family. Her friends were no problem. They weren't paying attention to KC's mothering skills. Somewhere in the back of KC's brain I think she was hoping a miracle would make the problem of her mother go away if she kept stalling. Maybe Tony would propose and they'd start a new life together in NY? Maybe Mark H. would decide he was so desperate to see her, he'd send her the necessary airfare & she'd fall in love with him? Maybe the chemistry between her and William W. would ignite and he'd wisk her away with him somewhere out of Cindy's sight? So many possibilities...

    I think Zani was invented by KC to explain what KC did with Caylee when KC "worked". KC couldn't tell her mother she was bringing Caylee over to Ricardo's house and letting Caylee share the bed. On nights Cindy was unable to babysit, if Cindy knew KC was taking Caylee along to parties, Cindy might make KC stay HOME. KC didn't want to have to stay home.
    I agree that Zanny is not evidence of premeditation,but KC did get the info on a specific ZFG at Sawgrass and a description of a car with NY tags. She must have been working on a plan when she took all that into consideration.
    Yet it was a half baked plan when she finally spilled.
    I completely agree with the rest of your post.
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    "the nanny" and the other "pre" evidence all adds up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolynna View Post
    I don't think Zani was invented as someone to blame for Caylee's death. I am not even sure KC was going to ever say Caylee was kidnapped. I think there is a great possibility KC was just going to avoid ever seeing her family. Her friends were no problem. They weren't paying attention to KC's mothering skills. Somewhere in the back of KC's brain I think she was hoping a miracle would make the problem of her mother go away if she kept stalling. Maybe Tony would propose and they'd start a new life together in NY? Maybe Mark H. would decide he was so desperate to see her, he'd send her the necessary airfare & she'd fall in love with him? Maybe the chemistry between her and William W. would ignite and he'd wisk her away with him somewhere out of Cindy's sight? So many possibilities...

    I used to think KC was planning to blame Zani in advance. But, after reading LE interviews and the document releases, I changed my mind I changed my mind. There is no evidence of it before or after June 16.

    I think Zani was invented by KC to explain what KC did with Caylee when KC "worked". KC couldn't tell her mother she was bringing Caylee over to Ricardo's house and letting Caylee share the bed. On nights Cindy was unable to babysit, if Cindy knew KC was taking Caylee along to parties, Cindy might make KC stay HOME. KC didn't want to have to stay home.

    Zani had already been invented and couldn't be contacted and cross-examined by Cindy, so KC pulled her out of her hat when cornered.

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    Why would she go through the NYitaliano3 IM's speaking about Zani, on and on and on? I think it was to lay more pseudo-evidence of the imaginanny to substantiate her premeditative plans for Caylee's demise.

    Is proving the element of premeditation a pre-requisite to finding her guilty of capital murder, thereby making it a death penalty eligible offense?

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    I think Zanny served the same function as my "friend, Trudy."

    Whenever I wanted to go off with a b.f., I was "staying at Trudy's."

    Zanny was impulsively blamed because KC cannot anticipate or plan for the aftermath of her behaviors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brini View Post
    I think Zanny served the same function as my "friend, Trudy."

    Whenever I wanted to go off with a b.f., I was "staying at Trudy's."

    Zanny was impulsively blamed because KC cannot anticipate or plan for the aftermath of her behaviors.
    LOL, I spent a lot of time at Trudy's also. Popular gal!

    I agree totally agree with you that this sounds more like an impulsive afterthought than premeditation to me. Let's call it the Trudy Factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    LOL, I spent a lot of time at Trudy's also. Popular gal!

    I agree totally agree with you that this sounds more like an impulsive afterthought than premeditation to me. Let's call it the Trudy Factor.
    Anyone got Trudy's number?????


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    Yeah, that Trudy was a troublemaker ; 0

    Semi-impulsive afterthought. It took some thinking and effort to come up with a convient ZG and location.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tweety933 View Post
    Why would she go through the NYitaliano3 IM's speaking about Zani, on and on and on? I think it was to lay more pseudo-evidence of the imaginanny to substantiate her premeditative plans for Caylee's demise.

    Is proving the element of premeditation a pre-requisite to finding her guilty of capital murder, thereby making it a death penalty eligible offense?
    I think she learned to use Zanny as an excuse anytime she needed one. She was awfully convenient. If she was stuck at home with Caylee cuz CA wouldn't babysit, she would just tell whatever guy wanted her to come over that Zanny the Nanny was unavailable. If she was unable to go hang out with her friends, it was that darn Zannys fault for not being home yet! And, when she needed something to tell CA, then Caylee was staying with Zanny. Her friends and boyfriends asked her about Zanny because KC "used" her so frequently. They had no reason to doubt her. They actually thought KC had this cool event planning job and a Nanny for her little girl. They had no way of knowing KC lived in her own little fantasy world.




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    tweety---Great thread! When you posted this thought on the other thread, I started to mull it over in my mind.....

    I think "Zanny" was an alter ego, and if I had to pick one huge "reveal" for this case, only one....Did LE find a driver's license w/ KC's photo and a ZFG's name? What was snatched out of CA's hand (as Lee witnessed) that night? (Was it something "big" or something of not much consequence?) That would slam the door down, IMO. I have thought for a long time that she used "Zanny" as an alter ego. A "Trudy" (love that!) on steroids if you will. Then when the murder took place, she fleshed out the identity even more. But your thoughts have me wondering. With this case, I would not be suprised to learn that she had invented Zanny for an escape hatch plan. If her life got too suffocating and CA was demanding she step up, and Caylee was at the age when she was becoming more verbal (and that I think, is key in this case. The timing of Caylee's developmental and social skills and when she was killed.)......then she could put this in motion. It wouldn't shock me at all. I can see her thinking this thru for months before acting.

    Interesting things to ponder, thanks for the thread!

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    I agree with most that Zani the Nanny was a made up person that was the lie she told people to believe when she conveniently needed a "responsible" answer to the "where's Caylee question. I don't think that Zani was ever more than that UNTIL Caylee took her last dying breathe which moved Zani to a very real person she could blame.

    Zani, is the extention of everything BAD and UGLY in Casey. It was so big that she could actually form a person out of it and put the blame on this mystery person that we will NEVER find. This allowed her "good" self to go party without a care or any feeling of guilt or remorse. Zani did it. In no way was this ever a split personality thing but just a way for her to house her guilt. If you can call this formulation of a lie planned, I would consider it premeditation. The good part in her could have taken responsibility for Caylee's demise or at least stopped short but never did so so this is why we ALL sit here knowing she did the deed and she is where she belongs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissJames View Post
    I agree that Zanny is not evidence of premeditation,but KC did get the info on a specific ZFG at Sawgrass and a description of a car with NY tags. She must have been working on a plan when she took all that into consideration.
    Yet it was a half baked plan when she finally spilled.
    I completely agree with the rest of your post.
    I think it becomes a sign of premeditation when it becomes obvious that the blatantly fake nanny story is disturbingly similar to a major plotline from our little felons favorite TV show.

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