View Poll Results: Will this case ever be formally solved?

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  • Yes - someone will have a eureka moment and spot a smoking gun

    7 8.43%
  • Yes - someone will have a moment of conscience and confess all they know

    9 10.84%
  • No - 'the rice is cooked' and our grandchildren will be discussing the case

    47 56.63%
  • No because it's hard formally to pin a crime on a dead person

    20 24.10%
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    Poll: Will this case ever be solved?

    I know this has been done before but it's always worth updating opinions, especially since the case is apparently being reviewed in Boulder.


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    I don't believe this crime will be solved..Cause at times I really think John Ramsey did kill JB..And as long everybody point the finger at Patsy Ramsey the real killer(s)as nothing to worry about..And if the R's lawyers have ties with the DA office then that is other block..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravyn View Post
    I don't believe this crime will be solved..Cause at times I really think John Ramsey did kill JB..And as long everybody point the finger at Patsy Ramsey the real killer(s)as nothing to worry about..And if the R's lawyers have ties with the DA office then that is other block..
    You're right, Ravyn: if JDI, then the PDI faction is manna from heaven to him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophie View Post
    You're right, Ravyn: if JDI, then the PDI faction is manna from heaven to him.
    would you consider the crime solved if JB unknown DNA were to match Amy's rapist (if they did do a rape exam on Amy)


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    Quote Originally Posted by voynich View Post
    would you consider the crime solved if JB unknown DNA were to match Amy's rapist (if they did do a rape exam on Amy)
    Well, I can't believe that the Amy rapist DNA wasn't put on CODIS so it's highly hypothetical but:

    1) If the rapist spoke excellent English and could have written the RN or at least had the education to duplicate pseudo-RN notes; and

    2) Could be placed in Boulder that night

    then there'd be a pretty strong case for saying the case was solved.

    However, given that the RN indicates that the murderer knew the Ramseys, you'd have to look for the Amy rapist connection to the Ramseys then make sure you could eliminate the possibility of innocent transfer of the DNA. So formally saying you'd solved the case wouldn't be as simple as just matching the DNA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by voynich View Post
    would you consider the crime solved if JB unknown DNA were to match Amy's rapist (if they did do a rape exam on Amy)

    I would believe this to be solved if the LE proved it..But look how long it's been so I'm doubtful it's Amy's rapist..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophie View Post
    Well, I can't believe that the Amy rapist DNA wasn't put on CODIS so it's highly hypothetical but:

    1) If the rapist spoke excellent English and could have written the RN or at least had the education to duplicate pseudo-RN notes; and

    2) Could be placed in Boulder that night

    then there'd be a pretty strong case for saying the case was solved.

    However, given that the RN indicates that the murderer knew the Ramseys, you'd have to look for the Amy rapist connection to the Ramseys then make sure you could eliminate the possibility of innocent transfer of the DNA. So formally saying you'd solved the case wouldn't be as simple as just matching the DNA.
    I don't know if they recovered DNA from Amy that night, is it possible to learn more via FOIA request?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophie View Post
    Well, I can't believe that the Amy rapist DNA wasn't put on CODIS so it's highly hypothetical but:

    1) If the rapist spoke excellent English and could have written the RN or at least had the education to duplicate pseudo-RN notes; and

    2) Could be placed in Boulder that night
    Uh, who says JBR's RN author speaks 'excellent' English? You've no idea how the RN author speaks anyway. The RN is written.

    It seems to me that the RN composition is only average, and the spelling and handwriting are below average. Certainly not 'excellent'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    Uh, who says JBR's RN author speaks 'excellent' English? You've no idea how the RN author speaks anyway. The RN is written.

    It seems to me that the RN composition is only average, and the spelling and handwriting are below average. Certainly not 'excellent'.

    The RN is written but there is sufficient idiom to infer fluency. You are right, though, I couldn't say that the RN writer spoke with a Georgia drawl or even a Geordie twang...


    I am not sure I can agree regarding the composition. There is the odd bit of almost poetic cadence (look at the 'If you talk to' sequence) points to an education plus the odd non-sequitur like (you aren't the only fat cat so don't think that killing will be hard) which suggests at least someone who could lose their grammar in a stretch. A quick look at the police interviews will show you a Patsy who can go from exquisite grammar to saying, 'I don't think they belonged in our neighbourhood or nothing.'


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophie View Post
    The RN is written but there is sufficient idiom to infer fluency. You are right, though, I couldn't say that the RN writer spoke with a Georgia drawl or even a Geordie twang...'
    Certainly not 'excellent' fluency. Just fluency. And, you also couldn't say that the writer didn't speak with a Russian or a Latino accent. The quotes from action movies does suggest a shallowness, as if the writer needed to borrow material they knew would be understood.


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    Quote Originally Posted by voynich View Post
    I don't know if they recovered DNA from Amy that night, is it possible to learn more via FOIA request?
    Dunno Voynich but since I'm in a state of enforced idleness, I'll make it Thursday's project to find out and get back to you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    Certainly not 'excellent' fluency. Just fluency. And, you also couldn't say that the writer didn't speak with a Russian or a Latino accent. The quotes from action movies does suggest a shallowness, as if the writer needed to borrow material they knew would be understood.
    You know, HOTYH, I'm not so sure that you can't tell that the writer was highly fluent or that they weren't native Anglophones. Again, I am sorry to insert a personal example since I know they tend to be tedious but I do think it's apposite. I studied for a Maitrise in French law for two years at a French university and I had no choice other than to become pretty much fluent. Notwithstanding this, the examiners said that there were no obvious grammatical or spelling errors but that they just knew from the tone of my essays that I wasn't a native speaker. I honestly think the same can be said of the RN - I see no sign of the non-native speaker in the RN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophie View Post
    The RN is written but there is sufficient idiom to infer fluency. You are right, though, I couldn't say that the RN writer spoke with a Georgia drawl or even a Geordie twang...


    I am not sure I can agree regarding the composition. There is the odd bit of almost poetic cadence (look at the 'If you talk to' sequence) points to an education plus the odd non-sequitur like (you aren't the only fat cat so don't think that killing will be hard) which suggests at least someone who could lose their grammar in a stretch. A quick look at the police interviews will show you a Patsy who can go from exquisite grammar to saying, 'I don't think they belonged in our neighbourhood or nothing.'
    Hi Sophie.
    "You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult".
    Ya ...... that is quite a string of words ... very American lingo IMO.

    Can't even closely translate that from an original form in french to eng, cause it don't make sense, and does not comply to french grammatics or thought, it's in 'english thought'. IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophie View Post
    You know, HOTYH, I'm not so sure that you can't tell that the writer was highly fluent or that they weren't native Anglophones. Again, I am sorry to insert a personal example since I know they tend to be tedious but I do think it's apposite. I studied for a Maitrise in French law for two years at a French university and I had no choice other than to become pretty much fluent. Notwithstanding this, the examiners said that there were no obvious grammatical or spelling errors but that they just knew from the tone of my essays that I wasn't a native speaker. I honestly think the same can be said of the RN - I see no sign of the non-native speaker in the RN.
    Whats a non-native? Non-American?

    I suppose what you're saying is that you see no sign of anything but US-English. Presumably you're basing this on the grammar or the expressions.

    Oddly, there are many RN expressions that are pushing the outer limits of the US-English vernacular. 'bring an adequate size attache to the bank,' 'you're not the only fat cat,' and 'Victory!' as closing salutation are sticking out like a sore thumb in US-English. Strikes me as a more formal English, as Britian-English. This type of English is taught in Europe, India, and the far east.


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    Quote Originally Posted by voynich View Post
    I don't know if they recovered DNA from Amy that night, is it possible to learn more via FOIA request?
    Only one way to find out, that I know of.
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