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    What was part of the staging,what not?

    Even if it was an intruder I think you can say the RN was part of a staging,unless you think it was indeed a SFF .

    What do you think was part of the staging and why was it done?Maybe eliminating the elements of the staging will get us closer to what REALLY happened.


    IMO:

    RN-was written in order to divert attention from the real problem-abuse & point the finger at someone else

    LIGATURE-to cover other marks left on her neck (smothering,sexual games,no idea)

    WRIST LIGATURE- to support the kidnapping theory

    REDRESSING/WIPING DOWN- a desperate attempt to clean/cover abuse traces
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    Forgot about the piece of
    TAPE- another item suggesting kidnapping
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    LOCATION of the body:where was she killed in the first place
    Fleet didn't see the body in the basememnt and at some point JR mentioned that he found her at 11Am
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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    Even if it was an intruder I think you can say the RN was part of a staging,unless you think it was indeed a SFF .

    What do you think was part of the staging and why was it done?Maybe eliminating the elements of the staging will get us closer to what REALLY happened.


    IMO:

    RN-was written in order to divert attention from the real problem-abuse & point the finger at someone else

    LIGATURE-to cover other marks left on her neck (smothering,sexual games,no idea)

    WRIST LIGATURE- to support the kidnapping theory

    REDRESSING/WIPING DOWN- a desperate attempt to clean/cover abuse traces
    TAPE- to support the kidnapping theory.

    VAGINAL INJURY- to suggest a pervert killer and/or cover previous signs.
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    So IMO what we really have here is sexual abuse,signs of agression on her neck and a head bash.The rest is cover -up .
    An intruder would never bother and spend all the amount of time necessary for this kind of staging .
    IMO the staging took more time than the actual crime in this case.
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    I always wonder about the double knot and handle on the ligature - you can't have both and strangle someone if you obey the laws of physics (if I'm understanding Delmar's treatise properly).

    It's less the ligature than the mad elaboration of the ligature that strikes me as staging. And it's also something that I resent in both the Douglas and Smit analyses of the crime. They claim that a parent couldn't have twisted the 'garrote' and watched JBR's face to see if she was dead. In fact, the actual ligature would require no such thing..

    The 911 call always seems a tad staged to me - the hyperventilation and odd language may be attributable to panic or to acting. 'I'm the mother...we have a kidnapping (Is it just me or is 'we have a kidnapping'something that LE would say to LE rather than something a 911 caller would say?) ...she's blonde'

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    And PR always saying she never read the entire RN but knew the ending..And with no fingerprints on it just leaves to mind the RN was wrote then torn out just before the officer showed up...But the 911 call was just acting on my belief....
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    Dunno where I read this but it said JR didn't even notice the ligature around her neck when he took her upstairs.Huh?
    And all the people who needed to tell him she IS dead,I mean he didn't even check her pulse?
    Oh my,I begin to understand why he didn't want to be questioned by LE.
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    Re the 911 call....I find it strange that she didn't mention ALL the THREATS.I mean,I would have been very scared to call LE,not to mention I would have sat down for about ten minutes to decide what's best to do or NOT to.And being JR I would have definitely called other people first.

    911 call-part of the drama as well
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    And two different stories coming from JR and FW on how JB was laying in the basement...Now above all this can't even be a simple straight answer more confusion pitting two words against the other..For one can anything be simple in this case..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravyn View Post
    And two different stories coming from JR and FW on how JB was laying in the basement...Now above all this can't even be a simple straight answer more confusion pitting two words against the other..For one can anything be simple in this case..
    I've never seen FW's description of how she was laying. How does it differ from JR's version?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    I've never seen FW's description of how she was laying. How does it differ from JR's version?

    Now that is from ST somewhere in his book or interviews if I can find that again I will give you the link...
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    I don't buy the "well FW didn't see her because the lights weren't on and JR probably switched them on and that's how he saw her but doesn't recall now if he did or didn't"

    I don't think the body was there when FW went down to the basement and I understand why the R's always thought FW is a pain in their @@@@@.He was their friend and he probably immediately felt that something stinks big time.The contradictions,everything.

    There are some depositions out there but FW's remained sealed.Does anyone know why?
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    JR didn't see her,he knew she was there.IMO
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    Why does JR keep mentioning the refrigerator?

    JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I'm sure I started to

    11 check some of the areas, like the refrigerator and

    12 just trying to check this area?





    And is she

    11 in the closet or in the refrigerator or behind the

    12 curtain.



    JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I don't remember

    0171

    1 specifically. I remember, because the first thing

    2 that goes through your mind is: she's missing,

    3 where is she. And I remember opening the

    4 refrigerator; it's a walk-in refrigerator.



    JOHN RAMSEY: No. I mean, the first thing

    12 that came to my mind was the refrigerator. I don't

    13 know why. I had to look in there and she wasn't

    14 there. I mean it was a combination of trying to

    15 see if she was in the house,


    JOHN RAMSEY: I know I looked in the refrigerator.

    17 We have this walk-in refrigerator. We always

    18 worried about the kids getting in there.



    JOHN RAMSEY: I think I ran back

    3 up and looked in her room, and I think accepted

    4 the fact that she was gone. And you know, I

    5 don't remember, I mean I said I remember I

    6 looked in the refrigerator.


    Is he trying to explain his prints on it?Why?
    All this refrigerator talk makes no sense at all.The RN clearly said she was kidnapped,right?
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