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    Quote Originally Posted by megamami View Post
    Hmmm...it doesn't seem like Justin had any plans on being home that evening according to his testimony and his girlfriend's?? Why was Melanie expecting him?
    Robbery/murder was July 9th, right?

    so the 7th would have been a day or two before....?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lossmitpro View Post
    Boy, that is some paint job @ THIRTY GRAND!!!!!


    And we know whose Bentley that *really* was
    Ahem:

    Volz was originally hired as a painter, but his responsibilities gradually increased such that he... supervised the shop and estimated project bids. Volz controlled all the bidding for estimates. He stated Sumner was not familiar with how to properly calculate or predict the costs associated with each job. When asked directly about bidding on the custom painting of a vintage Bentley, Volz adamantly stated that Sumners would have definitely consulted with him. He further stated that Sumners never mentioned a potential Bentley project at any time.

    Volz stated that the business was failing.
    http://media2.fox10tv.com/billings/PublicRecord1.pdf



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    More 'who is who'

    Eisa acknowledged that Gonzalez nicknamed him "Tony Duck".

    Gonzalez nicknamed Hugh Gregory Wiggins "Brother One".

    Gonzalez referred to Jerry Dean as "Mantis" and described him as an alcoholic afraid of Gonzalez.

    Gonzalez had a close friend named Lonnie Smith who was known as "Lonnie Guns".

    Eisa admitted being a former member of the INSANE POPES, A south-side Chicago street gang. POPES is an acronym for Protect Our People Eliminate Spics... a racial hate group, they oppose both Hispanics and blacks.

    The day after the Billings' murders, Gonzalez visited [John "Matt"] Gunn at his residence.
    http://media2.fox10tv.com/billings/PublicRecord1.pdf


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    Gee... a lot of the people in this case are pre-claiming amnesia due to drugs or medical conditions!

    Mr Jerry Wood?

    Yes, sir.

    Dean is the middle name?

    Yes, sir it is.

    We're just down here asking you some questions....

    ...

    I swear to God, I was up at the hospital on anti uh, they give you a drug that's called an amnesia drug, and it takes part of your life... there's gonna be big holes....ask me something about six months ago, I can probably get it....


    ...

    Hugh Wiggins has always been a friend of mine longer than Patrick, he's always been a tugboat guy, very, very,to my knowledge straight guy....

    ...

    I knew Patrick as a fairly decent guy....

    I tried to set him up in a karate studio...lost $18,000....

    any contact with the rest of them [Pam or Hugh Wiggins]... Patrick....?

    No, sir, no, sir... six months prior to any of this horrific activity, and Patrick... I got a red light... a sixth sense... he was just doing stuff, he had a couple of black people and I and I hope I'm not talking out of turn and don't mean to hurt your feelings... I don't associate with blacks, they don't come over to my house, except that one time he brought them over to my house and right after that, I said "if you ever come here again, I said I'm gonna call the police...I was on parole 10 and 25 years ago... I done learned my lesson...he knew the way I feel about blacks"

    "You ever been called Mr. Manatee?"

    "I had a Manatee Corporation."
    ....
    "What does that pertain to?"

    "That was for the uh, karate studio..."

    "You've had some previous employment in the car business?"

    "All my life"

    "And you've never heard of Bud billings?"

    "I understand he owned some t**ie bars and some uh activity like t***ie bars"
    ...

    "Patrick don't fool with black people, either."
    http://media2.fox10tv.com/billings/PublicRecord2.pdf


    Real sweetheart.


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    Who's Who in the public domain of the Billings case

    In addition to my Billing case timelines, I'm working on a "Who's Who in the public domain of the Billings case." I got a lot done but it's still a work in progress. My partner "Scooter" and I are working just about 24/7 to update the files, transcribe, etc. I've never witnessed a more convoluted case in all the years I've followed crime cases. Morgan was right, it's a humdinger !

    You have to register but it's free and fast and no discussion, just read only.
    It's just an extension back door of my web site that requires registration.
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    Thank you to those of you who may have already visited my site. My goal is to provide found materials within the public domain and arrange that in a format that will enable the online sleuthers to further their own searches, hopefully answer some questions and ultimately seek justice for the victims of these crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkinablueworld View Post
    I didn't see a thread on Melanie Billings. I have read her facebook pages and she appears to be the sweetest, kindest soul. She sounds just like everyone that knows her says, she was a dear mother, friend, and wife. My heart just breaks for the loss. She seems to adore her children, and is especially close to Ashley.

    The one odd thing I wanted to mention was in one of her facebook conversations she talks about the demands of so many children. She says "Go figure ... That's what 17 children and a husband will do for ya!"Then a friend asks "17 did I miss something?"
    And Melanie responds "Here goes ... Angel John, Missy, Tom, Ashley, Blue, Angel Nikki, Justin, Kristyn, Adrianna, Jacob, Matthew, Ricky, Angel Bailey, Tori Beth, Nicholas, Princess Katie, Ethan & Emma ...

    The ONE missing is Michael. I know he was Byrd's son from a previous marriage, but so was Angel John. Is there more to Michael that we need to look into?

    Please sleuthers, sheriff, state attorneys, find her killers and bring them to justice! I am just so sad after reading her facebook. She did mention many times that she wished she could be with her deceased children. I hope that is a comfort to her family.
    Yes, and last time I looked Blue was not Melanie's child. If he is, Ashley has a problem. Considering that they sued Michael for custody and child support, I can imagine that they had a bad relationship with him. However, except for Ashley, they had relationship problems with all of their adult children.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene View Post
    Yes, and last time I looked Blue was not Melanie's child. If he is, Ashley has a problem. Considering that they sued Michael for custody and child support, I can imagine that they had a bad relationship with him. However, except for Ashley, they had relationship problems with all of their adult children.
    Melanie did note she was including her two son-in-laws in her "count" because she loved them like her own children. I'm not sure I agree with your statement, Gene, that they had relationship problems with all their other adult children. From facebook/myspace conversations, it sounds like she was very close to Missy who was due to deliver a baby at the time of the murders. The two that they were having problems with were teenagers.(Justin & Krystal) As the parent of two teenagers myself, I can certainly sympathize with their current relationship problems, but I would hate to generalize that they had bad relationships with their adult children. I think the two teenagers were going through a lot of normal teenage stuff, and were unfortunately acting like typical teenagers.
    But....I still think their relationship with Michael, Bud's adult biological son, is something to consider, especially since Melanie didn't acknowledge him in her "kid head count", his "no show" at the funeral,the lawsuit regarding Billings custody of his daughter, and his comments after the murders that he had to get out of Pensacola, he didn't feel safe. IMO he may know what he has to fear in Pensacola. Also....does anyone know if he was ever in the car business in Pensacola or Tampa?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkinablueworld View Post
    I'm not sure I agree with your statement, Gene, that they had relationship problems with all their other adult children.
    Ok, lets do a review of the relationships with the children (except for the disabled children).

    Ashley: Very Close

    Melissa: Very close?? I have heard little about her, so I am not sure.

    Michael: Estranged

    Justin: Estranged

    Kristin: Estranged

    Kylee Waite: I heard that there were problems, but I can not confirm. Although Bud and Melanie won custody of her in October 2007, she moved to Mesa, Arizona before the murder.

    John: Snipped from the article below: Byrd had two biological children, Michael and Melissa, from his first marriage. An adopted son from that marriage, John, choked to death in 1995; police ruled his death a suicide, but Byrd was convinced it was an accident.

    http://www.pensapedia.com/wiki/Byrd_...lanie_Billings


    PS: It is interesting that Cab Tice told Police that Tim Higley is Byrd's son-in- law
    http://www.pnj.com/assets/pdf/DP140746818.PDF (page 36 or page 3 of the July 11 interview)

    Elsewhere, Cab mentions that Tim hates Byrd. People in this forum have said that they were not related.

    Cab Tice was very close to Tim and for a time also to Byrd, I wonder why he got that wrong? Are we sure that Cab is wrong and they are not related???

    As a summary, I think on average, the Billings family life was not as harmonious as we might have believed. There were alot of problems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene View Post
    PS: It is interesting that Cab Tice told Police that Tim Higley is Byrd's son-in- law
    http://www.pnj.com/assets/pdf/DP140746818.PDF (page 36 or page 3 of the July 11 interview)
    In my reading of that interview, Cab is merely making a minor slip of the tongue earlier, but it's made clear in other parts of the interview and the record:



    So the investigator, not Tice, is the one who properly establishes the relationship later, but Tice does not object or say "No, no, it was Tim" -- I think there is a pause, or ellipsis, or mis-speaking that is not annotated, in this earlier part:




    I think the proper reading and context of lines #16 and #17, is something like:

    "Tim Higley who is.... [Tice pauses, perhaps trying to think of Tim's business title, but failing just continues his thoughts anyway]... his son in law [meaning Billings son-in-law, Blue] called and told him [meaning Tim!!!]...
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    I agree, Lossmitpro.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lossmitpro View Post
    In my reading of that interview, Cab is merely making a minor slip of the tongue earlier, but it's made clear in other parts of the interview and the record:

    I think the proper reading and context of lines #16 and #17, is something like:

    "Tim Higley who is.... [Tice pauses, perhaps trying to think of Tim's business title, but failing just continues his thoughts anyway]... his son in law [meaning Billings son-in-law, Blue] called and told him [meaning Tim!!!]...
    Loss, you might be right that Tim is not related, but that was an aside. Let's return the relationships with the non-disabled children. From seven non-disabled children who lived in the family we have;

    2 good relationships,
    3 estranged relationships,
    1 unknown, possibly estranged (she moved out, was not listed as a "friend" on Melanie's myspace, etc)
    1 suicide


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    for reference
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    I have followed this very closely. in the local news, the blogs and websites like this. The fact that the sheriffs and attorney's office turned over all the interviews with peoples phone numbers and other private info. would tell me plain and simple DO NOT TALK TO THE LOCALS! I wouldn't I do not trust them and their total lack of concern for other peoples privacy and SAFETY!

    We don't hear what the feds are doing because they play a whole different game. When and only when they have enough info to swoop in and arrest do we the public ever hear anything.

    Reading between the lines what you have written here, I think you know a good deal more than even you might think. That is to say ... your information will very possibly be the final link to help a federal agency connect the dots. Don't you think that could at least be worth the effort in you know who's memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannybye View Post
    I have followed this very closely. in the local news, the blogs and websites like this. The fact that the sheriffs and attorney's office turned over all the interviews with peoples phone numbers and other private info. would tell me plain and simple DO NOT TALK TO THE LOCALS! I wouldn't I do not trust them and their total lack of concern for other peoples privacy and SAFETY!

    We don't hear what the feds are doing because they play a whole different game. When and only when they have enough info to swoop in and arrest do we the public ever hear anything.

    Reading between the lines what you have written here, I think you know a good deal more than even you might think. That is to say ... your information will very possibly be the final link to help a federal agency connect the dots. Don't you think that could at least be worth the effort in you know who's memory.
    The SA's office released the discovery as they are required to do under Sunshine laws. Only a judge could rule not to release this info, as was somewhat done with the crime scene photos.
    Last edited by daisy7; 12-30-2009 at 09:13 PM.


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    Yes Daisy, in the inital doc dump all the personal info was in the files/papers ... cell phone numbers, addresses all stuff that later was taken out. That intial dump was inexcusable for what they did to people trying to help


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