07-31-2009, 09:36 AM #1
Children, 4,3,2 and 1 home alone in filth
I am just trying to straighten this out in my mind. Mom leaves these children alone in a filthy home, no working plumbing and no food. The children go begging to the neighbors for food and it is revealed that they haven't been bathed for a month, since they moved in....
Police call mom at work, and she blames it on her brother-the reason they are alone that is.
Kids are removed to grandma's house pending mom getting the house cleaned up-and the police are going to decide IF they are going to charge mom.
Now, had she left them alone in a car while she worked, she would have been charged for sure. I am trying not to leap to a judgement here, but this is a DISASTER in the making...jmo. We are talking 4 BABIES here.email me
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07-31-2009, 11:41 AM #2
Wow believe, I totally agree with you! that is horrible! either scenario, car or an apartment.
Looks like abandonment or neglect at the least! hmmm, interesting to see any updates on this article...Find Brian Shaffer!!
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07-31-2009, 01:50 PM #3
If her brother said he'd watch them, I think he should be charged.
It sounds like she might need a bailout. It might seem strange for the government to hand out money to people who actually need it, but there's a first time for everything.
Paying her water and trash for a year would certainly help.
Maybe they could help her out with decent childcare too.
A cleaning lady ?
It has to be hard to work, take care of four children under the age of four and have a spotless house.
At least the dirty dishes were in the sink.
Also, these kids are 4 and under, do kids that age really know how long it's been since they had a bath ?
I'd imagine someone asked, hey kid- have you had a bath since you moved in here ?
It said they were hungry, do we know if they looked malnourished or abused ?
Police said they found the children, ages 4, 3, 2 and 1, alone in the home that had dirty dishes in the sink, a toilet filled with feces and spoiled food in the refrigerator.
As for this... I didn't see the inside, there was bagged trash outside the back door- if she couldn't afford water, she probably couldn't afford trash service either.
I have dirty dishes in my sink right now. I worked late last night, the kids ate at their babysitters, but had a late snack. I was too tired to do the dishes last night and I had to leave for work at 7 AM. Hopefully my eight year old daughter remembered to flush the toilet (she forgets sometimes) but there were no feces in my toilet last time I checked.
Sometimes I find some scary looking stuff at the back of my fridge's veggie drawer.
I'd really have to see the inside, my version of filth might not be the same as others.
07-31-2009, 07:18 PM #4Registered User
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This is exactly how our adopted twins were found. ALL alone in a duplex while mom was down the road just visiting. The house was nasty, no clean bottles, the special formula they had to take due to being preemies had raoches crawling in them. My babies were 5 months old at this time. Our baby girl was still wearing preemie clothes when we got her. A preemie size at 5 months!!! This biomom would feed them at 7pm put them to bed, leave to go out to local bar, then not get them out of bed, feed them or change them until at least 8 am the next day. Luckily the caseworker who had given services for her first two kids that were removed, was also worker for this case. Luckily she went by unannounced. It is funny the things they can find out when they make unscheduled visits. Wonder if this mother had been involved with CPS at all? ALso this is an awfully big house for someone who is single, raising 4 kids and can;t afford to have water on. Glad she is working at least. DO we know what that profession is? Glad these babies weren;t left in a hot car.
07-31-2009, 07:33 PM #5
Total neglect. She should be charged with neglect and endangerment, and I agree that if the mother's brother was supposed to be watching them and didn't, he should also be charged with neglect and endangerment.
If the food was spoiled in the fridge, it means that she left that morning knowing that there was no food in the house - no milk, no juice, no baby formula or baby food, etc. There are government programs that provide food assistance and there's no excuse for starving children.
Regarding the one child stating they'd not bathed since moving into the house, I think a 4-year old is quite capable of comprehending whether they've ever had a bath in their new home, and they're also quite capable of communicating that to adults.
Another sad, sad situation and unfortunately, the children will probably be put back in the same environment.
07-31-2009, 08:32 PM #6
Government intervention is no solution for ignorance,cruelty & irresponsibility -which are just a few of the nicer adjectives that likely describe this woman.
I was a young,overwhelmed & poor mom with 4 kids & I can assure you NOTHING like this ever occurred in my household.
This woman likely had no business having ONE child let alone FOUR.
The only victims in this story are the children & the are the only ones who need government help (i.e state intervention)The saints are the sinners who keep trying...
07-31-2009, 08:40 PM #7
07-31-2009, 08:51 PM #8
Her FAMILY said she is overwhelmed and struggling. Where were they if they knew she needed help? Her claim that she told her brother to watch the kids means nothing. She obviously left before he showed up or she would have known he wasn't there. Idiots all around.
07-31-2009, 09:01 PM #9
Honestly, what is going on in this world?
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I think we all know how this one will end (or take a good guess)... kids go back, neglect continues until one of the children really get hurt..
07-31-2009, 09:51 PM #11
08-01-2009, 02:36 AM #12
I hope it's checked whether the mother left the kids alone and asleep when she went to work. The article said they were eating berries off a tree. If they had picked the wrong tree or bush, that alone could have made them very ill.
08-01-2009, 03:38 PM #13
I don't see where the cruelty comes in.
It doesn't say they were malnourished, just hungry. I need more to decide that she's unfit. I don't know if this is just a circumstantial event.
My youngest eats all the time.
If the issues are due to finances, then ya, I think gov't could divert some of the $$ they're giving to banks who pay their CEO's millions, to a working mother who's having a hard time making ends meet.
Helping her financially would cost less and be less traumatic than sticking her kids in foster care and destroying her life and probably those of the children.
08-01-2009, 03:45 PM #14
4 year old's are awesome judges of facial expressions and tones and love to give answers they think the asker wants.
My teen liked to ask my 3-4 year old "is this your $1 or $20 to see her smile and nod her head yes.
The adult's demeanor plays a huge part in any answer you get from a toddler/pre-schooler.
I disagree that having spoiled food means there was no food. When I've found a surprise, fuzz covered whatever in my fridge, it's because someone put something new in the fridge and shoved the old to the back or it fell between the shelf & fridge wall.
Groceries don't last long in my house. It's like, "wow, mom brought home $300 of everything we like. Let's eat it all now". The kitchen door leads to the back-yard and my son is famous for coming in from playing and taking 'snacks' to the 5,10,20 kids playing in our yard.
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08-01-2009, 04:12 PM #15
Good thing they don't live in Oklahoma City. They could end up in this foster home....
He's 9 years old.
"The foster mother accused him of stealing money from her. At that point she took this potato masher, heated it on the stove to where it was red hot & branded him."
The boy told police he then went back to his bedroom, started crying and then the 72-year-old foster mother Joycelyn Louis told him "I'm not finished with you" and continued to burn him. She then allegedly told him, if anybody asks, "say you were accidentally burned."
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