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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Muffet View Post
    It's like being on a merry-go-round with Morgan.

    First he says that the motive was robbery.

    After media reports say it's a contract hit, he comes out and says that they're exploring all possibilities.

    A day later he comes back out and says that the motive was robbery and they're not investigating the Billings.

    (I guess because they would need to investigate the Billings if they were pursuing a contract hit possibility.)

    Now he comes out again and basically says they're exploring all possibilities again.

    My head is spinning.

    Who wants to take bets that he comes out this weekend and says the motive was robbery and they're not investigating the Billings again?
    A person's perspective is their own, and they have a right to it, but while respecting yours, I have to say I disagree with your characterization of the statements, and their consistency. I have seen NO flip-flopping, or 'wander' in the direction or statements. They have been carefully calibrated to be truthful, but not necessarily to 'show their hand' and possibly tip off a bad guy. Think of the whole safe issue -- they were very careful to be accurate, and never actually brought up the second safe until they had to, but even then, they were relatively non-specific, and the earlier statements when applied to the smaller safe were perfectly accurate.

    So it is true that robbery was always a 'prime motive' -- esp for the majority of the intruders... even if they knew from jump street that Jr. had another agenda. You can bet they have a LOT more info than can be made public at this time, but that eventually the facts will be known, and they simply can't afford to either scare off the bad guys, or be shown to have been purposely lying to the press or public. It's a tough road to walk, and I'll just reiterate that I think they are doing as good a job as most anyone could be expected to so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverPirate View Post
    Bolded by me.

    Maybe Eddins is being overprotective as he knows Sheriff Morgan is new and doesn't want him to screw up.
    IMHO, I don't believe this is the case. Yes, Morgan is new and I have NEVER seen a case where the SA is SO involved in pressers, but I just see Eddins as being "protective" about a very high-profile case.

    In last night's presser, Morgan repeatedly stressed the difference of the roles between ECSO and the SA (investigative vs. prosecution). I didn't even see Eddins there last night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lossmitpro View Post
    A person's perspective is their own, and they have a right to it, but while respecting yours, I have to say I disagree with your characterization of the statements, and their consistency. I have seen NO flip-flopping, or 'wander' in the direction or statements. They have been carefully calibrated to be truthful, but not necessarily to 'show their hand' and possibly tip off a bad guy. Think of the whole safe issue -- they were very careful to be accurate, and never actually brought up the second safe until they had to, but even then, they were relatively non-specific, and the earlier statements when applied to the smaller safe were perfectly accurate.

    So it is true that robbery was always a 'prime motive' -- esp for the majority of the intruders... even if they knew from jump street that Jr. had another agenda. You can bet they have a LOT more info than can be made public at this time, but that eventually the facts will be known, and they simply can't afford to either scare off the bad guys, or be shown to have been purposely lying to the press or public. It's a tough road to walk, and I'll just reiterate that I think they are doing as good a job as most anyone could be expected to so far.
    My point is about what seems a constant switch from 'investigating other motives' to 'not investigating other motives.'

    Someone posted in another thread that he said something like "the motive doesn't matter, we have the people who committed the crime."

    I'd like to know if he really said that because they wouldn't have all of the people who committed the crime if the motive was a contract hit.

    I've begun to compile a chronological collection of video and transcripts of Sheriff Morgan's statements---from the horses mouth.

    The thread is a sticky at the top of the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene View Post
    Daisy....I TOTALLY agree. Isn't it interesting that the 911 call would be part of the investigation? This alone speaks volumes..........strange that none of the journalists ever ask about it during the press conference....wonder why?
    Maybe the journalists aren't on the same page as some of the sleuthers - I think the 911 call is important....

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    Snippets from a July 20th newspaper article:

    .....But Florida police have now unequivicably stated they are not investigating the murder of Byrd and Melinda Billings as a contract hit.

    Sheriff's spokesman Ted Roy said Tuesday that investigators only considered a contract hit as a possibility for “a fleeting second during the initial phase of the investigation.”

    “Could it still be a motive? I guess it could, but someone else other than the investigators assigned to the Billings case will have to investigate it because investigators working the Billings case sure don't believe so,” he said.

    Investigators also said they did not anticipate further arrests....

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07...in;contentBody

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    Interesting. I never saw or read any of Ted Roy's statements, I focused on Morgan... does seem to have been a prior attempt to tamp that down, followed by a less absolute stance now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lossmitpro View Post
    Interesting. I never saw or read any of Ted Roy's statements, I focused on Morgan... does seem to have been a prior attempt to tamp that down, followed by a less absolute stance now...
    It blew my mind to hear they wouldn't even consider the possibility. I just couldn't remember who I heard say it.

    He said it the day after Morgan said they were considering the possibility of a contract hit.

    And the Billings lawyer was making statements defending the family reputation around the same time.

    It felt like LE was trying to retract statements as a result of the response they were getting from the Billing's family attorney's tantrums.

    That's how it seemed. It never made sense. I found websluths while researching LE statements after it seemed like LE was making contradictions.

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    "Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said Friday that investigators have not ruled out the possibility of a contract hit in the slayings of Byrd and Melanie Billings."

    more at link http://pnj.com/article/20090801/NEWS...315/-1/special

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    http://www.pnj.com/article/20091023/NEWS01/910230344
    Sheriff won't rule out mafia in Billings case

    "He [Morgan] repeatedly told national and local media that the Sheriff's Office was investigating the possibility of a contract hit on the Billingses rather than a home invasion that ended in death. He also suggested that the Mexican mafia was somehow involved."

    PNJ seems to be pretty intent on discrediting Morgan but there seems to be a lot more people than Gonzalez Jr. that were saying the Mex mafia may have been involved. I have seen statements from Tice and Wiggins saying that, too. And Justin, the son, seemed worried, as did the older son, Michael.

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    The more information that is released, the more weird statements, such as JW stating he was given an amnesia drug so his memory's not that good, S. Gonzales stating he loaned 20k from his own acct. to Tice - he's poor right? -the more I believe there are a lot of people connected to this case that have something to hide. And the circle keeps widening......


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    Thought we would have heard of more arrests in this case, but it all just seems to be quiet. I wonder if there is more to come or was it just the work of the 8 stooges? Are there suspicions of others and not enough evidence? Are they still connecting the dots? Seems to be more questions than answers.

    BTW ... big thank you to Daisy7 for going to get the documents and sharing them, to ACandyRose for her great Billings Case website and all the youtubes, and also for all who have shared the news articles they have found.

  12. #27
    The latest opposing opinions on motive from two local media outlets (PNJ & IN) are interesting. I don't understand why PNJ keeps insisting it was a bungled robbery, when LE won't even go that far.

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