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    Cut from thread #26 and added here?

    Driven I am glad that you are here and I hope that you get answers to what is going on soon. I am not sure what I would do in your situation.

    I have a question for you though. There was someone on here at the beginning that was not dating MR but mearly just friends because she didnt want to date him. She described him in a different way than what is being described now. He sent her MSN messages in which she shared and they were weird in my opinion. Saying things like "i want you to bite me than slap me that kiss me" and and when she asked him why she would do that he replied something along the lines of "you dont know the type of sh_ _ I am in to. To me that describes someone totally different. When this all came out there were many people that came forward about him and his sexual behavior some even thinking he might be bi-sexual if not gay. At this point I dont know what to believe because I have heard so many different sides. To me all these people knew him and all have different prespectives on him, could it be possible that he had some sort of split personality? He was said to have been withdrawn and somewhat of a loner, but when you look at pictures from his past he looks happy. Someone shed some light please
    May you rest in peace.....Tori Stafford

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    May you rest in peace.....Tori Stafford

    Missing but never forgotten Nicole Louise Morin last seen July 30th 1985

    http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32372

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    Article: suspect cries all the time

    Report about Rafferty's behaviour during his relationship with a girlfriend. This relationship ended on April 1, 2009, just one week before Tori Stafford's abduction and murder.

    http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1622110

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    And one from his last & current girlfriend

    As opposed to an anonymous source reported and paraphrased by the media, this one is straight from "the horse's mouth", the latest girlfriend who is standing my him.

    Post #403

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...=1#post4037230

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    Lexigirl post

    One of the only posts available from username Lexigirl. She is the the girlfriend that broke off the relationship on April 1, 2009, one week before the abduction and murder of Tori.

    link: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3820215&postcount=854"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Canada-Victoria Stafford, 8, Woodstock, Ontario; thread #14[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    Report about Rafferty's behaviour during his relationship with a girlfriend. This relationship ended on April 1, 2009, just one week before Tori Stafford's abduction and murder.

    http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1622110
    That reads as if it came from a tabloid type of newspaper. Looking around the web-site it doesn't seem the newspaper itself is of that type.
    The person wants to remain anonymous ( which I can understand ) however did the paper do any fact checking to see if her story matched up to what she was saying? It just seems they took her word at face value and ran with it.

    If she didn't trust him around her son, then why date him at all. She was with him for two months. If I thought that, I would not ever date the person to begin with,and definitely not for two months.

    As for the sexual fetishes mention in the article.It is easy to condemn something if one doesn't practice it, or knows little about it. A choking fetish really isn't that uncommon, I am not sure about the urinating fetish, but I don't think that one is too terribly uncommon either.
    So the guy like to have kinky sex, we all have our things we enjoy doing during intercourse, plain ole missionary sex with the lights off just isn't for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanting_eyes View Post
    That reads as if it came from a tabloid type of newspaper. Looking around the web-site it doesn't seem the newspaper itself is of that type.
    The person wants to remain anonymous ( which I can understand ) however did the paper do any fact checking to see if her story matched up to what she was saying? It just seems they took her word at face value and ran with it.

    If she didn't trust him around her son, then why date him at all. She was with him for two months. If I thought that, I would not ever date the person to begin with,and definitely not for two months.

    As for the sexual fetishes mention in the article.It is easy to condemn something if one doesn't practice it, or knows little about it. A choking fetish really isn't that uncommon, I am not sure about the urinating fetish, but I don't think that one is too terribly uncommon either.
    So the guy like to have kinky sex, we all have our things we enjoy doing during intercourse, plain ole missionary sex with the lights off just isn't for everyone.

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    ITA, although I wouldn't know from personal experience. LOL. However, I've lived a long time and have heard and read many things. There isn't much that shocks me. I'm pretty sure about one thing, though: a penchant for mild, masochistic sex does not equal sexual predator and child murderer. It's comparing apples to oranges - there is simply no connection.

    There was another ex-girlfriend of MR's, who did opt to be named in some news reports. Her initials are JE, and she was quoted as saying that MR liked "rough sex" and "bondage". They dated in 2006.

    http://www.lfpress.ca/newsstand/News...20401-sun.html

    However, a short time later, she showed up in a Facebook group (her full profile still visible, although it isn't now) where she answered questions from strangers. When she was asked about her sex life with MR, she said that "there was nothing unusual" about it and repeated words to that effect in another answer. I have her quotes saved. In other words, she totally contradicted what was written in the article. Wendell knows this woman and has said that she was lying about the $2000 debt, as well. This girl was far from publicity-shy.

    My point is, don't believe everything you read and consider the source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    ITA, although I wouldn't know from personal experience. LOL. However, I've lived a long time and have heard and read many things. There isn't much that shocks me. I'm pretty sure about one thing, though: a penchant for mild, masochistic sex does not equal sexual predator and child murderer. It's comparing apples to oranges - there is simply no connection.

    There was another ex-girlfriend of MR's, who did opt to be named in some news reports. Her initials are JE, and she was quoted as saying that MR liked "rough sex" and "bondage". They dated in 2006.
    Yeah I just don't think his sexual preferences has anything to do with the case at hand. I can assume she mention it in the article to paint him in some sort of deviant sexual monster, which I don't think is the case at all.

    Hell me and my boyfriend do things much ( in some views ) worse then what he asked her to do, well not the urinating thing, I don't get that but I won't knock it either.
    It really says very little about who we are as individual people.


    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    http://www.lfpress.ca/newsstand/News...20401-sun.html

    However, a short time later, she showed up in a Facebook group (her full profile still visible, although it isn't now) where she answered questions from strangers. When she was asked about her sex life with MR, she said that "there was nothing unusual" about it and repeated words to that effect in another answer. I have her quotes saved. In other words, she totally contradicted what was written in the article. Wendell knows this woman and has said that she was lying about the $2000 debt, as well. This girl was far from publicity-shy.

    My point is, don't believe everything you read and consider the source.

    MOO
    When it comes to ex-girlfriend/boyfriend accounts, you always just have to take them with a grain of salt. In most cases they have some sort of vendetta against the other person and will take any opportunity to trash them. You learn to read what the person didn't say, and read between the lines. Not to mention the attention seekers, but I think that is well given in high profile cases to have a few, or 12.

    The Girlfriend who broke up with him in April had no reason to come forward and tell her story to the paper, as she really had no story to tell, it really showed nothing about the accused to me at least.

    Though I think she is an idiot if she didn't trust someone around her son, yet continued to date them for two months. Maybe she didn't trust him until after the break up, but yeah you don't stay around if you don't trust someone with your kid, plus it seemed that, that was tacked on sort of as an after thought.



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    Quote:
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    Report about Rafferty's behaviour during his relationship with a girlfriend. This relationship ended on April 1, 2009, just one week before Tori Stafford's abduction and murder.

    http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1622110

    That reads as if it came from a tabloid type of newspaper. Looking around the web-site it doesn't seem the newspaper itself is of that type.
    The person wants to remain anonymous ( which I can understand ) however did the paper do any fact checking to see if her story matched up to what she was saying? It just seems they took her word at face value and ran with it.


    was this not lexi who was dating him until april 1st?? she was on here before.. i think her story sounds real just like anyone that has known him that has expressed their views on here. correct me if I am wrong AG i actually would like to know if that is her because i am working on something and i need to know those details
    May you rest in peace.....Tori Stafford

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    http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32372

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    was this not lexi who was dating him until april 1st?? she was on here before.. i think her story sounds real just like anyone that has known him that has expressed their views on here. correct me if I am wrong AG i actually would like to know if that is her because i am working on something and i need to know those details
    I'm very sure this is lexigirl who posted here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    From Crazilady


    I'm very sure this is lexigirl who posted here.
    I second that...the stories are the same along with the timeframe. I can say he was with Lexi during this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivenchick View Post
    I second that...the stories are the same along with the timeframe. I can say he was with Lexi during this time.
    I third it.

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    Crazilady, I won't be able to get to your nice post until tomorrow, but could you edit out Jennifer's last name and substitute with just an initial? I THINK it's against the rules. TIA

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    Very good overview, CL!

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    Don't forget to add the girlfriend DM whom he lived with for a time in Guelph. She posted on his facebook "that's the guy who is not man enough to pay his ex-girlfriend back the money she lent him to pay his rent so he could have a roof over his head(which is over 2000$ grrr!!!!)

    Then there is the friend Stacey W who was interviewed by The Toronto Star...

    "He was always whining to me about how his girlfriend was going to leave him because he always f---ed up. He was always cheating on her. She'd go home and he'd stay at the bar. The next day, he'd wonder why she was mad at him."

    http://www.thestar.com/article/637413

    Also apparently there is an unnamed brief girlfriend from sometime between April 1st and 13th.

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    Question Katerina L. and Kipps Lane

    Did anyone here view Rafferty's page on Katerina L.'s website?

    It is shut down now, as are all her references. She has moved to a different city, as of August 1st.

    There is a very strong connection to her, IMO, and Kipps Lane in London.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbododger View Post
    Did anyone here view Rafferty's page on Katerina L.'s website?

    It is shut down now, as are all her references. She has moved to a different city, as of August 1st.

    There is a very strong connection to her, IMO, and Kipps Lane in London, that I have found.
    Forgive me TD, who is Katrina again? What do you think the connection is?
    I ask because someone very close to me lives on Kipps lane.
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    Forgive me TD, who is Katrina again? What do you think the connection is?
    I ask because someone very close to me lives on Kipps lane.
    "Katerina" is the Escort/Tattooist that lived on Kipps Lane. She had a page on her website, dedicated to Mychol Rafferty. There were other things on her site. It is now shutdown. As are her Escort Canada etc. online pages. She moved at the end of July to another city in Ontario.

    I am curious if those close to him ever heard of a "friend" named Katerina, or can confirm a Kipps Lane presence by MTR. Not that I think he was blabbing about his escort friend, but she probably has a cover. Maybe he even "dated" her. Not a very common name. It's odd, you know, Duska, Katerina......something is up with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbododger View Post
    "Katerina" is the Escort/Tattooist that lived on Kipps Lane. She had a page on her website, dedicated to Mychol Rafferty. There were other things on her site. It is now shutdown. As are her Escort Canada etc. online pages. She moved at the end of July to another city in Ontario.

    I am curious if those close to him ever heard of a "friend" named Katerina, or can confirm a Kipps Lane presence by MTR. Not that I think he was blabbing about his escort friend, but she probably has a cover. Maybe he even "dated" her. Not a very common name. It's odd, you know, Duska, Katerina......something is up with that.
    Could she have used the name "Kat" as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    Could she have used the name "Kat" as well?
    She did go by Kat on some of her ads that I saw on escort websites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbododger View Post
    "Katerina" is the Escort/Tattooist that lived on Kipps Lane. She had a page on her website, dedicated to Mychol Rafferty. There were other things on her site. It is now shutdown. As are her Escort Canada etc. online pages. She moved at the end of July to another city in Ontario.

    I am curious if those close to him ever heard of a "friend" named Katerina, or can confirm a Kipps Lane presence by MTR. Not that I think he was blabbing about his escort friend, but she probably has a cover. Maybe he even "dated" her. Not a very common name. It's odd, you know, Duska, Katerina......something is up with that.
    I do know of Katerina Lesley, but as for Duska I havent heard of this. Who is that??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbododger View Post
    Sorry, I think it's Dashka. I will have to look it up.

    She was his GF from Guelph, that shared his apartment at one point. The one who posted on his skydrive site. They interviewed her in the paper, and she is the one *I think* who Wendell had met, and *I think* she said she was lying about things.
    How does Wendell know that the GF lied about things because MTR said so? It seems that all his girlfriends lied and were bad choices.

    Sorry that is difficult for me to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbododger View Post
    Sorry, I think it's Dashka. I will have to look it up.

    She was his GF from Guelph, that shared his apartment at one point. The one who posted on his skydrive site. They interviewed her in the paper, and she is the one *I think* who Wendell had met, and *I think* she said she was lying about things.
    Here is the link to the interview with Dasha:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-QeYjkUrhs&NR=1"]YouTube - Suspect in Tori Stafford killing knew girl's mother, police say[/ame]

    I don't think this is the girl that Wendell said was lying. That was Jennifer E., who claimed that she never met MTR's friends and that he was always asking for money. Wendell wrote that she and her husband DID meet her and that it was her choice to keep buying MR things, as she was in love with him.

    JE is also the one who gave newspaper interviews and claimed he was into "rough sex" and "bondage".

    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...f-9520751.html

    But I have FB posts of hers saved where she was asked about her sex life with MTR and she replied, "No our sex life was pretty normal. There was never anything out of the ordinary ask (sic) of me." She also posted, "To be honest when I was with him I didn't find too much strange about him."

    HTH

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    For what it is worth on FB (Post #405), TM emphatically denies JG has ever met MTR in his life. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...9769#post39769

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