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    I believe the revelence of us discussing MR and his parents is to try to find some clues as to whom MR really is.
    Several have stated on here that there is very little to discover about MR , so as there is nothing available so far about his life we start from the beginning....who are MR parents???????????
    Hopefully this will lead us to something concrete, instead of all the lies he(MR) has written about himself in facebooks, ect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
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    The only info about MTR's father came from Nurse_Sleuth:

    "I dont think his father had much to do with him ever, and to my knowledge his mom never married his father."

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    Unless it has some bearing on his guilt or innocence, I don't see why MTR's paternity has to come up at the trial at all. Why would it? Certainly his father's presence, or lack of it, in his life could never be used as a defense. I'd be interested in how it could be used by the prosecution, but even so, I don't see why his father would have to be identified.

    IMO, it's quite possible we will never learn who MTR's biological father is and I have forgotten what its relevance is supposed to be. Can someone remind me, please?
    Post 241 is how this all started.
    I was not questioning any paternity here, as It doesn't matter to the VS case / or me one iota if the mother was married to his father or not.
    I just find it very interesting who is paying for the expensive team of Lawyers MR happened to get after he terminated the services of his past attorney.
    Also I doubt very much a person working in a factory all her life would have a Richmond Hill address.(I am still interested why MR did indeed use this address in his profile on an odd site I found. This site is there but blocked all you see is his name, age, bd, and address, which is the Richmond addy))
    The mom seems to be a hardworking, middle class lady and I am sure this was a total shock to her when she learned what her son is being accused of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedingheart View Post
    Post 241 is how this all started.
    I was not questioning any paternity here, as It doesn't matter to the VS case / or me one iota if the mother was married to his father or not.
    I just find it very interesting who is paying for the expensive team of Lawyers MR happened to get after he terminated the services of his past attorney.
    Also I doubt very much a person working in a factory all her life would have a Richmond Hill address.(I am still interested why MR did indeed use this address in his profile on an odd site I found. This site is there but blocked all you see is his name, age, bd, and address, which is the Richmond addy))
    The mom seems to be a hardworking, middle class lady and I am sure this was a total shock to her when she learned what her son is being accused of.
    (BBM)

    If MTR's mother has been working at the same place for thirty years, Richmond Hill would be quite a commute for her. I still think it's possible that MTR was bunking for a while with one of his brothers or his grandmother during this time. I'm leaning towards "Nana".

    Also, while Richmond Hill is a remarkably affluent place, I have found that there are no large areas around Toronto that don't also have some affordable housing - either in high rises, or small, older homes. Even Forest Hill and Rosedale have some multiple-dwelling units where large houses have been broken down into flats. In 1971, Richmond Hill incorporated some rural towns that surely must contain older farmhouses and other inexpensive homes for rent or sale.

    Here is Wikipedia's info on Richmond Hill:

    http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

    It would be interesting to know who is paying for MTR's legal representation (if anyone), but I wonder if we'll ever know. Maybe some reporter will find out one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    This is just my opinion but I have a strong feeling that MR was shuffled around from city to city and town to town because he has some sort of behavioural and emotional issues. I also feel that he may have spent some time himself in juvenile detention.

    Also, did TCFC or some other friends mention that MR took the train to get around? TIA
    He seems a troubled person to me also,and just mebe he has spent time on psychiatric wards too, in hospitals for depression or similar illnessess. He has been somewhere,I would think, His lack of schooling, training, ect is very sketchy and suspicious to me. JMOO
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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    (BBM)

    If MTR's mother has been working at the same place for thirty years, Richmond Hill would be quite a commute for her. I still think it's possible that MTR was bunking for a while with one of his brothers or his grandmother during this time. I'm leaning towards "Nana".

    Also, while Richmond Hill is a remarkably affluent place, I have found that there are no large areas around Toronto that don't also have some affordable housing - either in high rises, or small, older homes. Even Forest Hill and Rosedale have some multiple-dwelling units where large houses have been broken down into flats. In 1971, Richmond Hill incorporated some rural towns that surely must contain older farmhouses and other inexpensive homes for rent or sale.

    Here is Wikipedia's info on Richmond Hill:

    http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

    It would be interesting to know who is paying for MTR's legal representation (if anyone), but I wonder if we'll ever know. Maybe some reporter will find out one day.

    MOO
    Thank you AG for your article, I am not very familiar with Toronto and area, so I appreciate your information.
    Yes, I had a few pics of MR and "Nanna", (at first I thought it was his mother.) Unfortunately I lost these pics when everything was deleted from the sites that he was using.
    Would be very interesting to find more info on "Nanna" and her role in MR's life. Now I am wondering if anyone knows whos "mother" Nanna is?????
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    Don't forget about Newmarket, listed in his Skydrive as a place of residence.

    Also, who are "Grandma" and "Grandpa" in the pics from his Skydrive, if "Nanna" is his "Nan"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbododger View Post
    Don't forget about Newmarket, listed in his Skydrive as a place of residence.

    Also, who are "Grandma" and "Grandpa" in the pics from his Skydrive, if "Nanna" is his "Nan"?

    I don't seem to have his Skydrive profile saved, but here are a couple of wild guesses about "Grandma" and "Grandpa".

    If we believe NS that there was no contact with his father, then I would doubt that they are his paternal grandparents. Could they be the paternal grandparents of his half-brothers? All brothers appear to be close in age, so it's possible that MTR grew up knowing these grandparents well. Another possibility is that "Nanna" was divorced and her husband re-married. Or ... they could be his maternal grandparents, with "Nanna" being the half-brothers' grandmother.

    Just some options to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedingheart View Post
    He seems a troubled person to me also,and just mebe he has spent time on psychiatric wards too, in hospitals for depression or similar illnessess. He has been somewhere,I would think, His lack of schooling, training, ect is very sketchy and suspicious to me. JMOO
    Yep, this is all possible. We do know that MTR has no criminal record as an adult.

    "Court documents show Rafferty does not have a criminal record."

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Vi...400/story.html

    If he had committed any crimes as a juvenile, those records would be sealed and inadmissible as evidence during his future trial. The same goes for TLM. I am not sure what's permissible once the trials are over and if they are found guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    I don't seem to have his Skydrive profile saved, but here are a couple of wild guesses about "Grandma" and "Grandpa".

    If we believe NS that there was no contact with his father, then I would doubt that they are his paternal grandparents. Could they be the paternal grandparents of his half-brothers? All brothers appear to be close in age, so it's possible that MTR grew up knowing these grandparents well. Another possibility is that "Nanna" was divorced and her husband re-married. Or ... they could be his maternal grandparents, with "Nanna" being the half-brothers' grandmother.

    Just some options to consider.
    Anything is possible.

    Grandma and Grandpa from his skydrive pics are what I would call "elderly". They look 80 years +. That's one reason I questioned who "Nan" was, because I always thought that woman was his mother. She looks to be mid-50's in the pics, but, according to Nurse and Tager, Nan looks very,very similar to Deb. They think it's Deb's mom.

    There is one picture there that has a woman similar to "Nan" who could be his mom.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbododger View Post
    Anything is possible.

    Grandma and Grandpa from his skydrive pics are what I would call "elderly". They look 80 years +. That's one reason I questioned who "Nan" was, because I always thought that woman was his mother. She looks to be mid-50's in the pics, but, according to Nurse and Tager, Nan looks very,very similar to Deb. They think it's Deb's mom.

    There is one picture there that has a woman similar to "Nan" who could be his mom.
    Thanks. Could you please post the link to the Skydrive profile and or the pics? I'd like to save them. TIA
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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    Thanks. Could you please post the link to the Skydrive profile and or the pics? I'd like to save them. TIA
    They are gone now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedingheart View Post
    Post 241 is how this all started.
    I was not questioning any paternity here, as It doesn't matter to the VS case / or me one iota if the mother was married to his father or not.
    I just find it very interesting who is paying for the expensive team of Lawyers MR happened to get after he terminated the services of his past attorney.
    Also I doubt very much a person working in a factory all her life would have a Richmond Hill address.(I am still interested why MR did indeed use this address in his profile on an odd site I found. This site is there but blocked all you see is his name, age, bd, and address, which is the Richmond addy))
    The mom seems to be a hardworking, middle class lady and I am sure this was a total shock to her when she learned what her son is being accused of.
    BH, I was interested in finding him too for some of the reasons you have mentioned - especially who is paying if the lawyer is not legal aid appointed or doing it for free. I also have stated on the regular thread that I do not think MR's mom could possibly be paying his legal fees either.

    I have been super critical of all of the main players in this case with the exception of TS's grand parents. And although RS is doing a wonderful thing right now I feel he is playing catch up for his own sake, albeit for a wonderful cause however, I believe that there is way more to being a Dad then weeping real tears when tragedy strikes. I also believe that the type of relationship you have with your father, good, bad or indifferent plays a role in shaping your character and this intrigued me enough to try to help "sleuth" this man out. JMO

    But when the pictures of JR's children were posted it was the first time, aside from my feelings for little TS, I have felt an iota of compassion for any of the people possibly associated with this case. Looking at their pictures I actually felt badly for them if it were true that MR turns out to be their step-brother.

    Don't get me wrong, no one would mistake me for a "bleedingheart" ever but this particular item hit me hard. I never meant to criticize- just wanted to clear that up with you. TC
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    Jr

    You know I was just thinking about this JR thing. If he is MR's Father and has "ditched" him, I wouldn't feel very bad for this man. His family, I would. Seems like too big a coincidence to not have some sort of a tie. I was just wondering if DM's maiden name is R. Perhaps JR is her brother even. That could still account for them visiting him in the Yukon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maxfactor View Post
    You know I was just thinking about this JR thing. If he is MR's Father and has "ditched" him, I wouldn't feel very bad for this man. His family, I would. Seems like too big a coincidence to not have some sort of a tie. I was just wondering if DM's maiden name is R. Perhaps JR is her brother even. That could still account for them visiting him in the Yukon.
    If he was "ditched". Sometimes a woman can make it especially hard to maintain a relationship with your children - just ask Rodney!


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    Rafferty could indeed be a maiden name, Maxfactor, though not likely, I don't think that was very common 30 years ago, to do that. JMO

    Good thinking, though, think outside the box.

    That leaves the question, how are the names Cundy and Murphy related here?


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