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    Other attempts?

    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    This is the sequence of events relating to MTR during the given time period as provided by Drivenchick (Mabel). Not sure if this belongs here or in the Facts & Links thread.

    TIME LINE FOR MTR
    MAY 15, 2009 – MAY 20, 2009

    • Friday, May 15th evening – MTR questioned by LE at his mother’s home

    • Friday, May 15th around midnight – MTR arrives at Mabel’s home out of town, spends the night

    • Saturday, May 16th all day – stays with Mabel until evening

    • Saturday, May 16th early evening – MTR leaves Mabel’s to do a job

    • Saturday, May 16th night – MTR presumably sleeps at his mother’s house (uncertain). texts exchanged with Mabel before bed

    • Sunday, May 17th all day – MTR works all day, staying in touch with Mabel via texts and phone calls, may have dropped in at her place while she was not home

    • Sunday, May 17th night – MTR presumably sleeps at his mother’s house (uncertain), texts exchanged with Mabel before bed

    • Monday, May 18th - MTR works and runs errands, staying in touch with Mabel via texts and phone calls

    • Monday, May 18th early evening – MTR returns to Mabel’s home, spends the night

    • Tuesday, May 19th morning – Mabel goes to work and leaves MTR at her place

    • Tuesday, May 19th during the day – Mabel is in touch with him until 1:00 p.m. via texts

    • Tuesday, May 19th after 1:00 p.m. – MTR not returning Mabel’s calls or texts

    • Tuesday, May 19th – MTR arrested at 5:00 p.m. as he’s leaving the gym

    • Tuesday, May 19th evening – Mabel still unable to reach him. MTR’s mother now trying, too.

    • Tuesday, May 19th , 11:00 p.m. – LE goes to MTR’s house with a search warrant, searches house, informs mother of her son’s arrest.

    • Tuesday, May 19th around midnight – LE informs Tori’s family of the arrests

    • Wednesday, May 20th a.m. – LE releases arrest information to the media
    I just read this article again about the abduction attempts in Elora and Cambridge. These occurred on Monday, May 18th and Tuesday, May 19th in the morning. MR was not around DC at those times and claimed to be at work. hmmmmmm

    Here is the article: http://news.guelphmercury.com/article/485278 . There is no description of the man but the attempt on the Monday has the man driving a dark coloured minivan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    I just read this article again about the abduction attempts in Elora and Cambridge. These occurred on Monday, May 18th and Tuesday, May 19th in the morning. MR was not around DC at those times and claimed to be at work. hmmmmmm

    Here is the article: http://news.guelphmercury.com/article/485278 . There is no description of the man but the attempt on the Monday has the man driving a dark coloured minivan.
    Reading that article now, it seems like an awful coincidence that this happened in Mount Forest and that is where Tori was. I wonder what MTR's mother drives and if he was allowed to use her vehicle. Also wonder what DC drives and if she lent him her vehicle.


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    I snipped and post several quotes from site reports claiming "Tuesday night". As far as I am still concerned, the arrest happened then, not during the supper hour at a gym. JMO. I've also pondered the possibility that LE released TLM the day of the arrests, wearing a recording device, in hopes that MR would visit TLM (of course she would have initiated the visit), in order to discuss the crime, setting him up for a confession. This is the the possible evidence they have against him, a recorded confession. Plus the reports that they both were arrested Tuesday night, as she was released to cooperate with LE and try to get a confession of some sort from MR. JMO. This may also stand to reason as to why DC claims she had no contact with MR after 1pm. He was with TLM.
    Snipped quotes:
    And with Tuesday night's arrests of two Woodstonians, the heartbreaking story of Victoria "Tori" Stafford's abduction was brought to a painful conclusion after six weeks of uncertainty.

    Michael Rafferty, 28, and his girlfriend, McClintic, 18, were arrested Tuesday night in connection with Tori's abduction and murder.

    Michael Rafferty, 28, and McClintic, 18, his girlfriend, were arrested Tuesday night over Tori's abduction and murder.

    Terri-Lynne McClintic, 18, was charged with abduction and helping Mr. Rafferty escape the area, court documents show. The man and woman were arrested on Tuesday evening and appeared in the Woodstock Provincial Court the next morning. Police said they do not expect to make any further arrests in the case.
    Nursesleuth this may be the article you are speaking of. This one claims
    The pair were arrested after midnight Wednesday at a rundown house in Woodstock — about 140 kilometres west of Toronto. http://www.canada.com/news/arrested+...290/story.html

    The abduction was sexually motivated, according to sources. Late on Tuesday night, police arrested Mr. Rafferty, 28, and Ms. McClintic, 18, both of Woodstock


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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    I just read this article again about the abduction attempts in Elora and Cambridge. These occurred on Monday, May 18th and Tuesday, May 19th in the morning. MR was not around DC at those times and claimed to be at work. hmmmmmm

    Here is the article: http://news.guelphmercury.com/article/485278 . There is no description of the man but the attempt on the Monday has the man driving a dark coloured minivan.
    Quote Originally Posted by maxfactor View Post
    Reading that article now, it seems like an awful coincidence that this happened in Mount Forest and that is where Tori was. I wonder what MTR's mother drives and if he was allowed to use her vehicle. Also wonder what DC drives and if she lent him her vehicle.
    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousJorge View Post
    I snipped and post several quotes from site reports claiming "Tuesday night". As far as I am still concerned, the arrest happened then, not during the supper hour at a gym. JMO. I've also pondered the possibility that LE released TLM the day of the arrests, wearing a recording device, in hopes that MR would visit TLM (of course she would have initiated the visit), in order to discuss the crime, setting him up for a confession. This is the the possible evidence they have against him, a recorded confession. Plus the reports that they both were arrested Tuesday night, as she was released to cooperate with LE and try to get a confession of some sort from MR. JMO. This may also stand to reason as to why DC claims she had no contact with MR after 1pm. He was with TLM.
    Snipped quotes:
    And with Tuesday night's arrests of two Woodstonians, the heartbreaking story of Victoria "Tori" Stafford's abduction was brought to a painful conclusion after six weeks of uncertainty.

    snipped
    BBM: Matou, Maxfactor and CuriousJorge, you bring up some very good points here.

    Matou, I had not noticed the dates of those 2 attempted abductions before. Monday, May 18th and Tuesday, May 19th, the day of MTR's arrest.

    While the 2 attempts may not be related to each other, I will comment on the attempt on Monday, May 18th. I have heard that Rafferty's mom has a mini-van. I don't know the colour.

    Is it possible that Rafferty used his mother's mini-van on Monday, May 18th for one final attempt, as he was feeling the walls close in on him and his crime? Was he in a state of panic and things were out of his control, and therefore he tried to take control? Did he have an emotional meltdown during this time? I do wonder about her vehicle, and also others he may have had access to.

    DC has told us she has a honda civic, also, I believe.

    CJ brings up an interesting point about TLM being wired. Does ANYONE know if TLM was let out AT ALL at ANY POINT after April 12th? This would explain some things. I wonder if they talked at all, in person, prior to the arrests?

    The catalyst is Friday, May 15th, 2009, IMO. It set the final ball rolling.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbododger View Post
    BBM: Matou, Maxfactor and CuriousJorge, you bring up some very good points here.

    Matou, I had not noticed the dates of those 2 attempted abductions before. Monday, May 18th and Tuesday, May 19th, the day of MTR's arrest.

    While the 2 attempts may not be related to each other, I will comment on the attempt on Monday, May 18th. I have heard that Rafferty's mom has a mini-van. I don't know the colour.

    Is it possible that Rafferty used his mother's mini-van on Monday, May 18th for one final attempt, as he was feeling the walls close in on him and his crime? Was he in a state of panic and things were out of his control, and therefore he tried to take control? Did he have an emotional meltdown during this time?
    I do wonder about her vehicle, and also others he may have had access to.

    DC has told us she has a honda civic, also, I believe.

    CJ brings up an interesting point about TLM being wired. Does ANYONE know if TLM was let out AT ALL at ANY POINT after April 12th? This would explain some things. I wonder if they talked at all, in person, prior to the arrests?

    The catalyst is Friday, May 15th, 2009, IMO. It set the final ball rolling.
    This is what I was thinking too. I think he might have lost it after the interview on the Friday and tried something extreme again.

    The wire-tapping thing makes sense to me, if TLM was in for breach, she may have been let out to get MR to admit to things while wire-tapped and he would not have been suspicious of anything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbododger View Post
    BBM: Matou, Maxfactor and CuriousJorge, you bring up some very good points here.

    Matou, I had not noticed the dates of those 2 attempted abductions before. Monday, May 18th and Tuesday, May 19th, the day of MTR's arrest.

    While the 2 attempts may not be related to each other, I will comment on the attempt on Monday, May 18th. I have heard that Rafferty's mom has a mini-van. I don't know the colour.

    Is it possible that Rafferty used his mother's mini-van on Monday, May 18th for one final attempt, as he was feeling the walls close in on him and his crime? Was he in a state of panic and things were out of his control, and therefore he tried to take control? Did he have an emotional meltdown during this time? I do wonder about her vehicle, and also others he may have had access to.

    DC has told us she has a honda civic, also, I believe.

    CJ brings up an interesting point about TLM being wired. Does ANYONE know if TLM was let out AT ALL at ANY POINT after April 12th? This would explain some things. I wonder if they talked at all, in person, prior to the arrests?

    The catalyst is Friday, May 15th, 2009, IMO. It set the final ball rolling.
    I've been wondering for quite a while if the minivan shown in the abduction video belongs to MTR's mother. I wondered if it was in the Caressant Care parking lot waiting for Tori and they met up at MTR's house. I wonder what time his mother got home from work that day. Just to be clear, I am in NO way implying that his mother had anything to do with this!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    I'm wondering now if the witness car story and the blue car mentioned in the LFP is the same car. LE released the video of the witness vehicle on May 4th and the LFP story was released on May 27th. In the print article: "Five minutes later, the blue car is seen heading north on the same street" (Fyfe Avenue). Wouldn't LFP retract the story if they were completely wrong on this?

    Here is the link to the video of Constable Maitland appealing to the owner of the vehicle to come forward as a potential important witness.

    YouTube - OCPS release video of witness vehicle

    Here is the link to the LFP article: http://www.lfpress.ca/newsstand/News...7/9592696.html
    This car is a witness ONLY car. This is not MR car. This car happens to belong to a neighbor of mine, and they did not know the le was looking for it. As it happened another neighbor saw this car in their driveway and reported it to le. The person who owns this car works at the nursing home in question and was given a hard time by the police. The person went through interrogation just like all the others in question of this case. Of course the person in question is innocent of any wrong doing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maxfactor View Post
    I've been wondering for quite a while if the minivan shown in the abduction video belongs to MTR's mother. I wondered if it was in the Caressant Care parking lot waiting for Tori and they met up at MTR's house. I wonder what time his mother got home from work that day. Just to be clear, I am in NO way implying that his mother had anything to do with this!!!
    this vehichle does not belong to Mr.'s Mother. I can look out my window and see it in the neighbors driveway. (We live on the other side of town from Tennyson St.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedingheart View Post
    This car is a witness ONLY car. This is not MR car. This car happens to belong to a neighbor of mine, and they did not know the le was looking for it. As it happened another neighbor saw this car in their driveway and reported it to le. The person who owns this car works at the nursing home in question and was given a hard time by the police. The person went through interrogation just like all the others in question of this case. Of course the person in question is innocent of any wrong doing.
    Thanks Bleedingheart, this means that the LFP reporter believes that the blue vehicle referenced in the article ("Five minutes later, the blue car is seen heading north on the same street") is MR's vehicle. I don't think the reporter is talking about the same vehicle as the vehicle belonging to your neighbour. Do you remember if this was cleared up before the arrests (May 19th) LE appealed to the owner of that vehicle to come forward on May 4th. The LFP press article is dated May 27th. TIA


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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedingheart View Post
    this vehichle does not belong to Mr.'s Mother. I can look out my window and see it in the neighbors driveway. (We live on the other side of town from Tennyson St.)
    Are you referring to the minivan that passes by Tori and the POI in the opposite direction or the station wagon (I think) that drives by in the same direction Tori is walking, which is the witness vehicle?


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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    Are you referring to the minivan that passes by Tori and the POI in the opposite direction or the station wagon (I think) that drives by in the same direction Tori is walking, which is the witness vehicle?
    the witness vehicle is the station wagon that the le was looking for


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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    I think someone posted that there is a coed Goodlife Fitness at the Quality Inn near the 401. It looks pretty isolated around there and maybe he was at that location because of the hotel and not necessary for the gym.
    yes the coed gym is at thee Quality Inn. It has the gym and a busy restaurant there too. I would think someone would have seen the arrest if it had happened here. But~~you never know


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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousJorge View Post
    From all the reports I have read, they claim that MR and TLM were arrested Tuesday night. It does not matter to me what DC says MR told her. I do not trust what MR has to say at this point in time. JMO I am going on the numerous reports that are out there. Yes reporters have been known to make errors but with so many all making the same report, I tend to believe this as a fact. MR was arrested Tuesday night.The neighbour claims to have seen tons of cops and 4 or 5 police cruisers at MR's house Tuesday night @ around 11pm. Why would "that" many police be present to notify MR's mother of his arrest? That would be ridiculous. JMO again.

    If this happened in the parking lot, outside the gym, in broad daylight, there would have been "some" witnesses to MR's arrest and would have come out in the media. I doubt very much that you would get a bunch of police and police cars at a scene and not attract any sort of attention from the public.
    Just another report claiming arrests happened Tuesday "night". There are many more out there.
    http://www.tillsonburgnews.com/Artic...aspx?e=1577560
    I have a hard time believing he was arrested at the gym. The other places make more sense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedingheart View Post
    the witness vehicle is the station wagon that the le was looking for
    Yes, as I was pretty sure and posted here:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4091743#post4091743"]MTR Discussions - Page 5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


    Thanks for confirming, BH.
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    http://www.lfpress.ca/newsstand/News...0/9510571.html
    As this link states, RE: TLM helps Mr escape. How and when was she able to do this?? Anyone know?? And where did he escape to??


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