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    Question Possible Used Car/Car business connections?/Structuring/Smurfin'/Money Laundering

    I hope it is OK to start this thread.
    I am not saying that I know that there is a wide spread connection to many used car dealers, but obviously that seems to be a recurring theme with all the POI and victims tied in some way.

    Things are coming out, mostly in comments (which I know are not verifiable yet) that are intriguing me that there might be a broad net of involvement.

    Today's statement by Gonzalez ( http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uplo...lez-report.pdf ) certainly introduces the possibility that there may be a connection to several dealers.

    And the info from Mark Turner's blog seems to indicate that he thinks there may be a connection: http://markturnerandfriends.blogspot.com/
    especially here (read the comments):
    http://markturnerandfriends.blogspot...ete-moore.html

    "I did not know anyone was going to kill BB and his wife at the time I was crying out that someone had tried to kill me and my wife in 2007. If the proper authorities had looked at my story and paid attention to what was really going on, perhaps BB and his wife would be alive today."
    Does MT's 08/16/2009 7:41pm comments sounds plausible?
    He claims to have seen LPG face to face in his garage (when he claims to have been possibly a "hit" target.)

    And a comment on http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7190 (#21) introduced the term "smurfin'" with this explanation link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurfing_(crime)
    "Structuring includes the act of parceling large financial transactions into smaller transactions to avoid scrutiny by regulators or law enforcement. Structuring often appears in federal indictments related to money laundering, fraud, and other financial crimes."

    I don't know, but it all sounds like it could happen ... Coupled with the lawyering up of the deceased's family and the whole "defaming the good name" theme, it just makes me wonder.

    (Let me know if there is already an applicable thread or if this is not appropriate. I didn't see one.)
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    Legitimate questions and relevant. LPG,jr stated he had been hired before to "whack" people. It could be that Turner was one of those "jobs".

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    Quote Originally Posted by megamami View Post
    I hope it is OK to start this thread.
    I am not saying that I know that there is a wide spread connection to many used car dealers, but obviously that seems to be a recurring theme with all the POI and victims tied in some way.

    Things are coming out, mostly in comments (which I know are not verifiable yet) that are intriguing me that there might be a broad net of involvement.

    Today's statement by Gonzalez ( http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uplo...lez-report.pdf ) certainly introduces the possibility that there may be a connection to several dealers.

    And the info from Mark Turner's blog seems to indicate that he thinks there may be a connection: http://markturnerandfriends.blogspot.com/
    especially here (read the comments):
    http://markturnerandfriends.blogspot...ete-moore.html

    "I did not know anyone was going to kill BB and his wife at the time I was crying out that someone had tried to kill me and my wife in 2007. If the proper authorities had looked at my story and paid attention to what was really going on, perhaps BB and his wife would be alive today."
    Does MT's 08/16/2009 7:41pm comments sounds plausible?
    He claims to have seen LPG face to face in his garage (when he claims to have been possibly a "hit" target.)

    And a comment on http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7190 (#21) introduced the term "smurfin'" with this explanation link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurfing_(crime)
    "Structuring includes the act of parceling large financial transactions into smaller transactions to avoid scrutiny by regulators or law enforcement. Structuring often appears in federal indictments related to money laundering, fraud, and other financial crimes."

    I don't know, but it all sounds like it could happen ... Coupled with the lawyering up of the deceased's family and the whole "defaming the good name" theme, it just makes me wonder.

    (Let me know if there is already an applicable thread or if this is not appropriate. I didn't see one.)
    WoW ........... and nameless others predicted this 3 weeks ago here at ws ... much of this is OLD news here ... I've very impressed with their efforts. Also, if others hadn't brought so much attention to this case could this story have died out as a simple robbery? I've never heard of such a BRUTAL robbery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemaster View Post
    WoW ........... and nameless others predicted this 3 weeks ago here at ws ... much of this is OLD news here ... I've very impressed with their efforts. Also, if others hadn't brought so much attention to this case could this story have died out as a simple robbery? I've never heard of such a BRUTAL robbery.
    Yes, I agree. I have been impressed also (and a little alarmed.) It has been hinted at before but it keeps resurfacing. I think it was Lindanette's (?) 'polo shirts and khakis" comment that keeps nagging at me. I think that many people want the spotlight to go away. How deep it goes, I have no idea...
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    OK, page 20 of this document:
    http://www.pnj.com/assets/pdf/DP140680817.PDF

    Witness against LPG Jr, 22 years in car business describing traveling to do huge car sales with Gonzalez that they did in Tucson and Washington, DC. Is that something usual? LPG Jr's wife also mentioned he traveled for the car business a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderDog View Post
    Legitimate questions and relevant. LPG,jr stated he had been hired before to "whack" people. It could be that Turner was one of those "jobs".
    From the description Turner gave in 2007 it matches LPG Jr to a tee so I would believe it.
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    Tice Answers About Sanchez Named in LPGjr/ECSO Doc

    In this Cab Tice [video] Interview On Billings' Case Evidence Released 08/14/09...

    http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/raw_n.../vid_140.shtml

    ...while querying Tice, interviewer Thomas refers to/reads from the 7/12/09 ECSO Investigative Report (GonzalesJr-Chavez-Baggett interview) released today http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uplo...lez-report.pdf

    "Patrick went on to indicate another car dealer Sanchez was involved..."
    shortly after this Thomas asks Tice:

    "was he [Sanchez] the person with the Mexican Mafia you borrowed money from?"
    This was my first thought, too, when I read the name Sanchez in the ECSO Report. I thought I recalled Tice telling Thomas of WEAR in the first interview that he borrowed money (20K) from a guy who worked for him named Sanchez who borrowed it from his family and ultimately from the MexiMafia. Tice denies it being the guy from whom he borrowed money and mentions a local car dealer named Sanchez who "doesn't know" BB.

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    Gonzalez=$20K Loan; Sanchez=Auto Dealership

    Quote Originally Posted by daisy7 View Post
    The State Attorney has released the transcripts of the interviews with Henry “Cab” Tice.

    In his interview, Tice described Salvano Gonzalez has a good salesman that worked for him and later for Bud Billings collecting on accounts, after Tice’s Hispanic-American Auto Sales closed. According to Tice, this is the man who got him the $20,000 loan from the Mexican mafia. Tice was told the interest was would only be $1,500 if he paid it back in five to six months.

    When Tice’s car business closed, Salvano “began to panic and told me that, he had previously told me he had cousins in Atlanta, but he inferred that they were in Mexican Restaurant business…well, then he tells, me ‘they’re members of the Mexican mafia.’”

    Salvano tells Tice that he used to work for them, these people don’t play, they were gonna kill. They won’t kill you, they kill your family and we got to get them this money.”

    (snipped)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeenEyes View Post
    In this 'Cab Tice Interview On Billings' Case Evidence' Released 08/14/09...
    http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/raw_n.../vid_140.shtml

    ...interviewer Thomas reads from the 7/12/09 ECSO Investigative Report (GonzalesJr-Chavez-Baggett interview) released today http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uplo...lez-report.pdf: "Patrick went on to indicate another car dealer Sanchez was involved..." Shortly after this Thomas asks Tice: "was he [Sanchez] the person with the Mexican Mafia you borrowed money from?"
    This was my first thought, too, when I read the name Sanchez in the ECSO Report. I thought I recalled Tice telling Thomas of WEAR in the first interview that he borrowed money (20K) from a guy who worked for him named Sanchez who borrowed it from his family and ultimately from the MexiMafia. Tice denies it being the guy from whom he borrowed money and mentions a local car dealer named Sanchez who "doesn't know" BB.
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    More explanation on money laundering and smurfin':
    Comment #28 by "WouldRatherNotSay" at 1:12 pm
    http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7190

    He/She explains the 3 stages Placement, Layering and Integration.
    On Integration:
    "Integration – Stage Three

    That’s when the freshly-laundered money is used to purchase luxury autos, expensive real estate, stocks and bonds, well-known retail franchises, thoroughbred horses, collector’s items, etc. Some of the newly-purchased business or investments are then used in furtherance of additional money laundering schemes. It’s not uncommon for people who launder money and commit other criminal, acts to make significant charitable contributions to some local cause in order to promote an image of respectability in the community.


    I mean, does this fit this cast of charcters to a tee???!! Just sayin' ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by megamami View Post
    More explanation on money laundering and smurfin':
    Comment #28 by "WouldRatherNotSay" at 1:12 pm
    http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7190

    He/She explains the 3 stages Placement, Layering and Integration.
    On Integration:
    "Integration – Stage Three

    That’s when the freshly-laundered money is used to purchase luxury autos, expensive real estate, stocks and bonds, well-known retail franchises, thoroughbred horses, collector’s items, etc. Some of the newly-purchased business or investments are then used in furtherance of additional money laundering schemes. It’s not uncommon for people who launder money and commit other criminal, acts to make significant charitable contributions to some local cause in order to promote an image of respectability in the community.


    I mean, does this fit this cast of charcters to a tee???!! Just sayin' ...
    *snip* ABC 3 Top Stories Pete Moore Donates 2010 Camaro To Gulf Breeze Police....has also donated cars to the drivers' ed program in past years.

    http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_s...id_11523.shtml

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    Checking back o this story as the trial nears the end. This was one case that I happened into from the very beginiing. I've spoken to alot of folks who knew the main characters of this bizarre saga. I still believe that Patrick Gonzales, while warped and twisted enough to have commited these crimes and others, was set up to commit this particular crime and take the fall for it. Why? Because he was a loose cannon. The "powers that be" are involved in a criminal enterprise that stretches from South America to Canada and, IMHO, there are players involved that are alot more powerful than Tice and even Moore.
    Everything I say is Only My Opinion along with a bunch of links to public information - for me, that's what sleuthing is all about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindadanette View Post
    Checking back o this story as the trial nears the end. This was one case that I happened into from the very beginiing. I've spoken to alot of folks who knew the main characters of this bizarre saga. I still believe that Patrick Gonzales, while warped and twisted enough to have commited these crimes and others, was set up to commit this particular crime and take the fall for it. Why? Because he was a loose cannon. The "powers that be" are involved in a criminal enterprise that stretches from South America to Canada and, IMHO, there are players involved that are alot more powerful than Tice and even Moore.
    What type of criminal enterprise are you referencing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindadanette View Post
    Checking back o this story as the trial nears the end. This was one case that I happened into from the very beginiing. I've spoken to alot of folks who knew the main characters of this bizarre saga. I still believe that Patrick Gonzales, while warped and twisted enough to have commited these crimes and others, was set up to commit this particular crime and take the fall for it. Why? Because he was a loose cannon. The "powers that be" are involved in a criminal enterprise that stretches from South America to Canada and, IMHO, there are players involved that are alot more powerful than Tice and even Moore.
    Please elaborate as your post is quite interesting!

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    http://ricksblog.biz/?p=13606

    "As much as some people scoff at the thought of a Mexican mafia in the Pensacola area, Alejandrino Popoca, 33, of Foley, Ala.was sentenced last week to 30 years in federal prison for drug and firearms charges, following an investigation conducted by the Organized Crime and Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDEFT)"

    snip

    "Alejandrino Popoca, 33, of Foley, Ala., was the leader of an armed cocaine distribution organization responsible for transporting kilogram quantities of cocaine from Mexico to Texas, Alabama, and Florida, using vehicles equipped with hidden compartments, between 2007 and 2010."

    BBM

    I think Rick is not convinced that there was not more to this murder as his early sources seemed to indicate.

    Remember the testimony of Tabitha Gonzalez in LPG Jrs' trial when she mentioned her husband's back injury when he was transporting cars and the police jumped all over him? That seemed strange to me. Could be totally a coincidence, I know.

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    Anyone else come across this controversial website? Interesting, with more even interesting comments.

    http://www.usobserver.com/archive/ja...ys-prison.html

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