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    Taconic Crash: Diane Schuler's Final Hours

    Tom Ruskin, the president of CMP Group Investigations, has been hard at work trying to piece together the final moments of the crash that has horrified the nation and left Schuler's loved ones baffled.
    "We've got multiple investigators working hundreds of hours trying to retrace her steps," he said. "Toll receipts, cell phone records, credit card receipts."
    The timeline began at 9:30 a.m. at a campground in upstate New York. Ruskin says shortly after Schuler left for home, appearing sober, she stopped at McDonald's.

    In surveillance video captured shortly after at a gas station, Schuler appeared sober and in control, Ruskin says.
    "You see Diane Schuler filling up the minivan, and then you very clearly see her entering the convenience store," he says. "We now know that she was attempting to purchase Tylenol or Advil gel caps. Did she appear normal? Absolutely."

    At 11:37 a.m., Schuler's niece Emma, 8, called her father, Warren Hance, Schuler's brother, to tell him they were running late. At 12:08 p.m. the Hances called back and had what has been described as a "normal" conversation with Schuler. But over the next 48 minutes, something went terribly wrong.
    At 12:56 p.m., Emma called her father back in a panic.
    "What did Emma say to her dad?" Ruskin said. "She's expressing ... something is wrong with Diane. Diane is incoherent, she is confused and they are lost."
    The call dropped out and Schuler's cell phone was later found on top of a wall by a bridge near the highway. "It means 99.9 percent sure she got out of the car," private investigator Tom Ruskin later said.
    Schuler's brother called the police to ask them to issue an Amber alert. But by then, it was likely too late, according to Ruskin.



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    ETA Don't know why there are links in article but can't seem to remove them.

    So wish someone stopped to help Emma.

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    8 Die in Crash on Taconic State Parkway #2

    Please continue here. Is there anything that you would like in this first post? Let me know.

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    Link to Thread 1: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...=87087&page=47

    Photos from Steve2010 (hope this works)

    Here is an overview of Hunter Lake Campground. State Route 17 is at the lower left corner

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...unter-Lake.jpg

    Here is a google earth image of the route I believe they took to arrive in Liberty

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...to-Liberty.jpg

    Here is a google earth image of the Sunoco and the McDonalds in Liberty that I think they stopped at.

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...ald-Sunoco.jpg

    This is a google earth image of the Ramapo Service Area

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20.../ds-Ramapo.jpg

    Here is a google earth image of the first portion of their trip - which shows from the campground to the TZ Bridge

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...s-route-17.jpg

    Here is a google earth image of the last portion of their trip. Reminder, this route has not been confirmed

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...z-overview.jpg

    This is a google earth image of the area where the pullover is after the toll-booths.

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...z-bridge-1.jpg

    This is a google earth image of where she made a left turn onto an OFF ramp to end up southbound on the northbound side of the Taconic Parkway

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...s-off-ramp.jpg
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    Thanks Salem! Do you think the timeline might be a good thing to have in the first post?

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    Hey SleuthyMama - do you know which post it is in? I would be happy to add it.

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    ETA: Also any quick links to news media outlets that everyone is depending on for updates?

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    I found some news articles about the accident. LE found a bottle of Absolut vodka in the van, toxicology reports show she consumed 10oz DURING the 90 mile drive.

    Toxicology tests did not show what she drank, but a jumbo 1.75-liter bottle of Absolut vodka was found in the wreckage of her Ford Windstar minivan.

    She consumed at least 10 ounces of liquor during the reckless 90-mile drive from a campground in Sullivan County to Briarcliff Manor in Westchester County, police said.

    She smoked pot within an hour of driving the wrong way on the Taconic heading home to Long Island, police said.

    The revelations brought outrage from the family of the men killed in the SUV — but silence from Schuler’s relatives.
    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...#ixzz0Oe2T7fPX

    Now I understand better... could not have been drinking something she didn't know contained alcohol. While I feel sad for her husband/family I can understand why the mens' families are angry. For Mr. Schuler to continue denying she drank would be insulting. The girls didn't have a bottle of Abolut!! Terrible for all families.

    Police could not say if Schuler got wasted while driving or stopped along the way. It was unclear if she was drinking before she got behind the wheel to drive the children home from camping.

    Her husband, Daniel Schuler, told cops that his wife was fine when they left about 9:30 a.m. He drove one car straight home to West Babylon, L.I., while she took the kids to McDonald's.

    Ann Scott, 77, who owns the campsite the family visited for three years, saw Schuler off.

    "I got pretty close to her and waved goodbye,”" she said. "If she had alcohol in her breath, I would have smelled it."
    So she wasn't sitting around drinking with other people either. I didn't know all this...

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    The timeline began at 9:30 a.m. at a campground in upstate New York. Ruskin says shortly after Schuler left for home, appearing sober, she stopped at McDonald's.

    In surveillance video captured shortly after at a gas station, Schuler appeared sober and in control, Ruskin says.
    "You see Diane Schuler filling up the minivan, and then you very clearly see her entering the convenience store," he says. "We now know that she was attempting to purchase Tylenol or Advil gel caps. Did she appear normal? Absolutely."

    At 11:37 a.m., Schuler's niece Emma, 8, called her father, Warren Hance, Schuler's brother, to tell him they were running late. At 12:08 p.m. the Hances called back and had what has been described as a "normal" conversation with Schuler. But over the next 48 minutes, something went terribly wrong.
    At 12:56 p.m., Emma called her father back in a panic.
    "What did Emma say to her dad?" Ruskin said. "She's expressing ... something is wrong with Diane. Diane is incoherent, she is confused and they are lost."
    I've been following this fairly close, but have not posted anything about it until today. I keep going back and forth with theories, thoughts and questions.

    If the timeline quoted is correct - and I assume it is, since it has been reported this way in numerous places - am I correct to believe that DS consumed the equivalent of 10 shots of alcohol over the course of about 48 minutes? (12:08 "normal conversation" to 12:56 "there's something wrong with Diane")

    Is that even physically possible? And if so, how long does it take the liquor to enter your bloodstream and spike your BAC?

    When is it theorized that she smoked the pot? When stopped for one of those phone calls?

    I still don't know what I think happened. It doesn't really make sense to me. I sometimes wonder if she was possessed by the Devil himself.........


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    Please continue here. Is there anything that you would like in this first post? Let me know.

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    Perhaps the images I posted on page 38 of the first thread ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamfish View Post
    If the timeline quoted is correct - and I assume it is, since it has been reported this way in numerous places - am I correct to believe that DS consumed the equivalent of 10 shots of alcohol over the course of about 48 minutes? (12:08 "normal conversation" to 12:56 "there's something wrong with Diane")


    If it were me (and thank you, God, that it was not), I might have been drinking already during the 12:08 conversation, just not to where someone could detect it in my voice on the phone. Then I'm drinking more over the next hour, and I'm really soused by then--noticeably, as in "there's something wrong with...." Then, with alcohol still in the stomach, I guess I wouldn't be quite as soused as I was about to be, when I drove the wrong way and got myself and all those other people killed. Yep, I'm pretty sure I could've downed 10 shots in that time, that way. (Wow, it's depressing to imagine this in such detail though. She was pouring it down herself. But then... I've done that, too, and I have the chipped teeth to prove it.)

    While it takes a serious drinker to do that, I'm pretty sure I could've done it.


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    I can see Diane trying to straighten out if she was hung over from the night before by ingesting small amounts of alcohol to help her feel better, but to slug it down in such a reckless manner to get blind drunk behing the wheel of a car with 5 small helpless children as passengers is beyond the pale. I have known many an alcoholic and have seen them taper off so as not to go into convulsions and they know just how to do this. It seems to me that Diane went into her drinking frenzy purposefully and with absolutely no regard for her life or anyone else's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    Hey SleuthyMama - do you know which post it is in? I would be happy to add it.

    Salem

    ETA: Also any quick links to news media outlets that everyone is depending on for updates?
    There were a couple. I'll see what I can find. We could add links to a few newspapers that have continuing coverage. Like lohud.com, th-record.com, newsday.com etc.

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    We know she tried to buy some otc medication and they didn't have it, I'm thinking she started the drinking/pot smoking then to help numb the pain, only the pain was severe and wasn't going away so she kept drinking. I wonder what kind of drinking cup she may have had with her? Maybe a large travel mug or maybe she had a large drink container from McDonalds? You could easily fit 10 shots into one of them?
    I wonder if things would have been different if the store had the medicines she was looking for? I wonder if things would have been different if she had only gone to the dentist and had things taken care of?
    I hate the dentist myself but when I had an absessed tooth I could not keep ignoring it, it only gets worse and you have the chance of the infection traveling up to your brain.

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    Well, this alcoholic says: nobody starts drinking by downing 10 shots while on the road with kids on a Sunday morning.

    Hardcore drinking behavior. Classic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tamfish View Post
    I've been following this fairly close, but have not posted anything about it until today. I keep going back and forth with theories, thoughts and questions.

    If the timeline quoted is correct - and I assume it is, since it has been reported this way in numerous places - am I correct to believe that DS consumed the equivalent of 10 shots of alcohol over the course of about 48 minutes? (12:08 "normal conversation" to 12:56 "there's something wrong with Diane")

    Is that even physically possible? And if so, how long does it take the liquor to enter your bloodstream and spike your BAC?

    When is it theorized that she smoked the pot? When stopped for one of those phone calls?

    I still don't know what I think happened. It doesn't really make sense to me. I sometimes wonder if she was possessed by the Devil himself.........

    I don't believe she consumed that much alcohol in 48 minutes. I believe she was drinking alcohol for most of the trip, but at the end of the trip it caught up with her in a way she didn't expect. She got too drunk - drunker than she had "planned."

    Reports indicate that she smoked pot 15 minutes to one hour before the collision. She may have smoked to try to take the edge off of how bad the alcohol had made her feel.
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    I know of a girl at my previous job who had absessed tooth with no insurance so she wouldnt go to dentist, she ended up with brain absess that left her fighting for her life and she ended up in wheel chair and had to learn to walk and talk all over again.. She had a little
    2 yr old and was a single mom when this happened.,. If this is what happened to this mom I'm sure she would have been taking anything she could to cut the pain, without reasoning the consequensess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas Bride View Post
    We know she tried to buy some otc medication and they didn't have it, I'm thinking she started the drinking/pot smoking then to help numb the pain, only the pain was severe and wasn't going away so she kept drinking. I wonder what kind of drinking cup she may have had with her? Maybe a large travel mug or maybe she had a large drink container from McDonalds? You could easily fit 10 shots into one of them?
    I wonder if things would have been different if the store had the medicines she was looking for? I wonder if things would have been different if she had only gone to the dentist and had things taken care of?
    I hate the dentist myself but when I had an absessed tooth I could not keep ignoring it, it only gets worse and you have the chance of the infection traveling up to your brain.

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    All due respect, VB (and I am a broken record here, it's true) - only a seasoned drinker could have ingested that much alcohol (and would have under the circumstances of driving 5 kids home on a Sunday morning) and not been face down.

    This wasn't an "I'm in physical pain and all I have is vodka and reefer" thing. This was a "I have a hidden substance abuse issue" thing. Toothache or no toothache, headache or no headache, she planned to drink on that trip because she wouldn't be around anyone who could "catch" her at it. She thought she would be just fine because she had done it before without any problems.
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    I really, really don't understand how anyone can think that drinking 10 shots of vodka can be unintentional. That someone could just go, "Tooth hurts. I think I'll just have a slug, or 10, of this I have here in the car." Think: 10 drinks. If she were a novice, she'd be passed out, drowning on her own puke. She would not be driving AT ALL, even the wrong way. At the height (or is it the low?) of my drinking years, I actually don't think I ever made it through 10 drinks. And believe me, I was no amateur. This babe puts me to shame on that issue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by southcitymom View Post
    All due respect, VB (and I am a broken record here, it's true) - only a seasoned drinker could have ingested that much alcohol (and would have under the circumstances of driving 5 kids home on a Sunday morning) and not been face down.

    This wasn't an "I'm in physical pain and all I have is vodka and reefer" thing. This was a "I have a hidden substance abuse issue" thing. Toothache or no toothache, headache or no headache, she planned to drink on that trip because she wouldn't be around anyone who could "catch" her at it. She thought she would be just fine because she had done it before without any problems.
    SCM, I tend to agree with you that this was a seasoned closet drinker who went too far and then was trying to make it home before her brother could find her out on the road. However - the posts above about the abcessed tooth possibility made me recall a time years ago when I had a miscarriage. I got home from the hospital, and my husband left me for an hour or two. I developed such horrible pain that I called the doctor and begged for a prescription. Before I finally called the doc, tho, I was so desperate (the pain came on pretty quickly) that I got out my husband's stash of pot (he used to use occasionally, not any longer) and tried to smoke a joint. And I have NEVER liked pot. But man, I was desperate. Now, we also had plenty of alcohol in the house but I didn't consider drinking because I thought I would just throw up.

    Anyway - just something to chew on.

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    I have heard several times, over the course of many years, that pot is the best thing for a tooth ache. I have never tried it for a toothache, because for me, pot intensifies EVERYTHING so I don't like it. But I can definitely see where someone who was accustomed to smoking on ocassion, might try it for pain relief.

    I don't get the booze thing at all. I'm reading the thread with interest because I can not for the life of me, understand how someone could put children in a car, get behind the wheel and proceed to drink. I know more than one alcoholic and I can not imagine them doing such a thing. They would certainly drink and drive, but they would make the kids go with someone else. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinparten View Post
    SCM, I tend to agree with you that this was a seasoned closet drinker who went too far and then was trying to make it home before her brother could find her out on the road. However - the posts above about the abcessed tooth possibility made me recall a time years ago when I had a miscarriage. I got home from the hospital, and my husband left me for an hour or two. I developed such horrible pain that I called the doctor and begged for a prescription. Before I finally called the doc, tho, I was so desperate (the pain came on pretty quickly) that I got out my husband's stash of pot (he used to use occasionally, not any longer) and tried to smoke a joint. And I have NEVER liked pot. But man, I was desperate. Now, we also had plenty of alcohol in the house but I didn't consider drinking because I thought I would just throw up.

    Anyway - just something to chew on.
    I do hear you, robin! And, in all honesty, I am not convinced there wasn't something physical going on as well too, and I do understand why people are considering it.

    In fact, any physical ailments she might have had could have made her more vulnerable to what she considered a "normal" amount of booze. But other factors could have played into her drinking more than she might have.

    For example (and I'm not putting this forward as a fact, but just to chew on), let's say that her usual pattern was to put the kids to bed at night and then drink 6 or 7 drinks, maybe smoke some weed and go to bed. She would have had to work up to that 6 or 7 amount, but alcoholics develop tolerances. Let's say, she was able to measure a little better making drinks at home with kids asleep and husband at work than she was in the car hiding it from kids. At home, after her usual 6 or 7, she had a great little buzz, certainly seemed able to drive - wasn't overly slurry or anything...then in the car, she's kind of working up to what she considers to be a fine amount, but she pours too much and now she's drinking more. Or, the 10 drinks could have been her "norm" but it just hit her differently that day - or mixed pourly with the weed or her tolerance was down a bit from not drinking all weekend....there are just lots of factors to consider and we will never have answers to them because this woman was private in her alcohol habits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve2010 View Post
    Perhaps the images I posted on page 38 of the first thread ?
    Done and it looks like the links work too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post

    I don't get the booze thing at all. I'm reading the thread with interest because I can not for the life of me, understand how someone could put children in a car, get behind the wheel and proceed to drink. I know more than one alcoholic and I can not imagine them doing such a thing. They would certainly drink and drive, but they would make the kids go with someone else. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part

    Salem

    1. I personally have driven drunk with my kids in the car innumerable times. Definitely I can't enumerate them because half of them I don't even remember: I was blacked out. Some on here have explained that one can do this because one's thinking is so incredibly distorted that one thinks that one can do anything drunk. People even say, "I drive better when I'm drunk." Good god.

    2. Your friends who haven't ever put their kids in the car when drunk driving might have it pointed out to them that there are very definitely kids in other cars. If diane schuler had been driving alone and hit a van with 5 kids in it and killed them, would you consider her a more responsible person than she seems to you now?
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    What was her BAC again?.19? How are they coming up with 10 ounces as it relates to her BAC and body weight? Sounds like 1/2 that would get her to .19 if that was the BAC based on body weight. I am confused about that. I mean she would have to weigh 250 pounds to drink that much alcohol for a BAC that low.
    Although, drinking it in 48 minutes would mean the alcohol had not reached it's full effect yet. It enters the blood stream like a bell curve and increase over time and then tapers off. So after 48 minutes her BAC would not have reached it's full "potential" Maybe that is why her BAC is low compared to the amount of aclohol they are saying she ingested.

    I am just trying to understand how much she really had to drink. She sounds like she was text book impaired for her BAC and I find that curious.

    ETA: according to this, a 140 pound woman would have a BAC of .270 if she had 10 drinks in an hour. 160 pound woman .236
    Any thoughts on her size? I am trying to figure a .19 after 10 drinks in an hour.

    http://olin.msu.edu/pdfs/BACFemale.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by southcitymom View Post
    All due respect, VB (and I am a broken record here, it's true) - only a seasoned drinker could have ingested that much alcohol (and would have under the circumstances of driving 5 kids home on a Sunday morning) and not been face down.

    This wasn't an "I'm in physical pain and all I have is vodka and reefer" thing. This was a "I have a hidden substance abuse issue" thing. Toothache or no toothache, headache or no headache, she planned to drink on that trip because she wouldn't be around anyone who could "catch" her at it. She thought she would be just fine because she had done it before without any problems.

    scm I agree with you that this was a seasoned drinker, I don't think she was the tea totaler some family members may wish she was. I just think that something else (tooth pain?) pushed her to drinking more than normal for her.
    Perhaps this coming to light might help some others to seek help before they do the same thing.

    I did some drinking in my younger days, the most I remember drinking was having 5 shots of scotch on an hour, it didn't knock me out but I was pretty loopy.

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    Remembering the lives that were lost.


    Daniel Longo in a family picture.

    The casket of Daniel Longo being borne into church. (Seth Harrison/The Journal News)


    Three sisters Emma, Kate, and Alyson were killed by a drunk driverÖtheir aunt. Also, killed (not pictured) was the drunk driverís daughter and the drunk driverís son was critically injured.


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    Remembering the lives that were lost.
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    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c...ghter_of_.html

    Daughter of man killed in Taconic crash doubts family's claims that mom driving wasn't a drinker

    BY Matthew Lysiak and Corky Siemaszko
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    Saturday, August 8th 2009, 1:28 AM


    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/08/07/2009-08-07_daughter_of_.html#ixzz0OfaMJEPI



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