I also keep forgetting about these deaths:
July 18 – Prostitute Sharon Mattos's body found in field in Pittsburg.
November 12 – Prostitute Andrea Ingersoll's body found in field in Bay Point, a town near Pittsburg.
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The articles you have been finding in the SF Chronicle, I don't think those were even available 2 months ago. They must have dug them out of their archives.
I think the police have pretty much determined that Garrido did not have anything to do with any of those murders.
Pittsburg (and Bay Point), Antioch, Oakley and Brentwood are all basically adjoining. Before the freeway, there was old Hwy 4, the Pittsburg/Antioch Hwy (in W. Pittsburg it was known as Willow Pass Rd.), 10th St. that ran from Pittsburg to Antioch, 18th St. that ran from Antioch to Oakley then Hwy 4 that connected Oakley to Brentwood. Lone Tree Way was a back, rural road from Antioch to Brentwood where, as teenagers, we would go park in the orchards.
Ditto! Funny . lol I was just thinking OMG was there some reference to a certain orchard!? I grew up in Hayward, but my Grandfather had property in Walnut Creek, there were no freeways to there back then. Just Crow Canyon Rd. from Hayward to WC. And believe me, up until about the mid 70's there weren't nothn' there, but walnut trees!!
Did anyone find that Lister guy a bit strang?
I mean, who says they want to try and sell songs by a sicko to raise money for abused women? Who would buy them?
Lister said he wanted to share the lyrics with law enforcement and raise money from the songs to benefit abused women.
He also visited the Garridos' home on Walnut Ave., where Jaycee was held captive for 18 years, several times and had met her and her two daughters.
"There was absolutely nothing that I saw that would have raised suspicion," Lister said.
I think the writer of that article didn't state what lister said correctly, but I don't remember exactly how the story went.
Last edited by my2sisters; 11-01-2009 at 01:26 AM.
I wasn't so sure about the writing on that one either!
I do think that there was a reason PG set up his "reformation" tent at JM Auto Wreckers! I think HE absolutely KNEW someone there needed reforming. Whether or not he was part of whatever it was he knew, or whether they just exchanged notes and bragged to one another of their dirty deeds, I don't know. But MAN, there was a reason he set it up there. And I have a strong suspicion that it has something to do with whomever murdered those prostitutes. Too bad we don't have a list of their employees! JMO
Billy ... I know, I'm not sure if Garrido has any connection even if it is just to those who killed the prostitutes. I do think he could have had prostitutes in his backyard, been making money that way, etc. Or .... who knows. I DO suspect that Garrido was still taking drugs. I'm not convinced he moved to prescription drugs. That could be the connection to the prostitutes. I think it was that article, or maybe another that says many have moved to selling prostitutes instead of drugs also - or both. I've said this before, but I'm also not so sure Garrido's weird sexual desires didn't start veering in another direction. Until details of those murders are released, I wouldn't rule them out as a sex crime, but they could have just been killed because they knew too much or didn't deliver the drugs or something. Otherwise, we'd have to think it is just someone who likes killing and chose prostitutes as easy targets.
I am wondering too if it is a good idea to make note of others who operated in the area in the past couple of decades (but maybe in it's own thread) - example...
I just came came across the cases of LARRY CHRISTOPHER GRAHAM and LARRY CHRISTOPHER GRAHAM JR. It seems at one point they also suspected Larry's older brother GARY, for the Bugay murder! JR. has now been accused or convicted of the murder of another man.
Graham was not on the radar for the Bugay murder till 1996.
Antioch girl's killer a possible suicide in San Quentin
Jun 16, 2009
Five Charged in Gruesome Murder of LDS Man
Graham Jr. used a 16 year old girl to help set-up Buccellato, 57.
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Billy - thanks for this reference
So, you have to wonder, was Garrido trying to recruit these homeless men? If so, is that just to get followers?A while back, Molino said he sold Garrido a reddish Volkswagen. Garrido would drive the wagon to People's Park in Berkeley, said homeless men who camp there.
"He seemed kind of hyper. He would rush around, passing out bottles of water and sometimes homemade sandwiches. He was always in a hurry," said one of the older, bearded campers, who identified himself only as "The Hate Man."
"He'd have the kids every now and then tagging along behind."
I wonder what model of Volkswagon it was and where is it now?
Last edited by time; 11-01-2009 at 03:01 PM.
Meeting was Aug. 24, 2009. Here are some names:
Last edited by my2sisters; 11-01-2009 at 03:09 PM. Reason: added post
I didn't know that PG had two prior parole violations. He was on federal parole so that agency was responsible at the time for searching his house and knowing his friends. It seems like since he was a violator they would have checked his residence for drugs, etc.
"SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Federal authorities say Phillip Garrido violated parole twice and was briefly jailed in 1993 while he allegedly was holding Jaycee Dugard captive.
Cranston Mitchell, vice chairman of the U.S. Parole Commission, declined to discuss details, citing confidentiality issues, but characterized the violations as minor offenses.
He said Garrido was briefly jailed until it was decided he could return home on parole. According to the Bureau of Prisons, Garrido was in federal custody from April 4, 1993 until May 10, 1993.
Garrido was then confined to his home until Aug. 31, 1993."
I can't believe how quickly things change, with newspaper articles, leading to other offenses, lack of investigations and errors on the LE front, that enabled pg to keep his secret for 18 years.
I think LE forgot the protect and serve slogan when it came to pg. All the way from a parole board that let a man with a 100 year sentence for kidnapping out in 11 years, to a PO that told pg to "report to the Concord office", after finding out he was accompanied by minors in Berkley.