View Poll Results: Are the Ramseys involved or not?

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  • The Ramseys are somehow involved in the crime and/or cover-up

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    Are the Ramseys involved or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by TLynn
    I can't take the poll because I don't know. I know the Ramseys have lied...I know they have covered up the crime...but I don't know for who!
    TLynn has inspired me to start a new poll with two options only:

    !. The Ramseys are somehow involved in the crime and/or cover-up

    2. The Ramseys are not involved at all in the crime or cover-up


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    Question 1: by Ramseys, do you mean only Patsy, John and Burke or can we include JohnAndrew and Melinda in this category?

    Question 2: Does the cover-up have to include the "staging" or can it just be misleading the police in the days after the murder?

    When I have these answers, I will happily take your poll.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arielle
    Question 1: by Ramseys, do you mean only Patsy, John and Burke or can we include JohnAndrew and Melinda in this category?

    Question 2: Does the cover-up have to include the "staging" or can it just be misleading the police in the days after the murder?

    When I have these answers, I will happily take your poll.

    I took it to mean any one w/ the last name 'Ramsey' and isnt misleading LE a cover-up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arielle
    Question 1: by Ramseys, do you mean only Patsy, John and Burke or can we include JohnAndrew and Melinda in this category?
    Sorry for any confusion, Arielle. I'm just trying to keep it as general as possible. I based the question on TLynn's post, and what I meant was: Even if John and/or Patsy weren't involved in the crime, did they help cover (includes lying) for someone - anyone - else?

    Question 2: Does the cover-up have to include the "staging" or can it just be misleading the police in the days after the murder?
    Cover-up includes any kind of dishonesty, including misleading police, for the purpose of covering knowledge of (or possible knowledge of) or involvement in the crime/staging.

    IOW, if you think John and Patsy Ramsey are completely innocent and completely clueless about the crime and cover-up, and were honest with police, even if the perp is someone they know, you'd go with option 2.
    The intruder is innocent! JMO


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    Of course "they're" involved. One of them killed her. How could "they", excluding Burke and the other kids, not be?
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    Originally posted by AutumnBorn
    Of course "they're" involved. One of them killed her. How could "they", excluding Burke and the other kids, not be?
    Hi, AutumnBorn. Why do you think Burke should be excluded? Dr. Cyril Wecht said there was nothing that was done to JonBenet that someone Burke's age at the time couldn't have done, and Dr. Michael Baden said that Burke needs to be looked at.

    I'm convinced Burke did it. Nothing I've read or heard in all the years I've followed the case has changed my opinion on that.

    IMO


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    Exclamation Disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by AutumnBorn
    Of course "they're" involved. One of them killed her. How could "they", excluding Burke and the other kids, not be?

    There is NO physical evidence of Ramsey guilt.

    DNA might be Codis but, not Ramsey.

    My opinion is some sort of coverup after JB was found.




    IMO


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    Let's presume the Ramseys are innocent. BUT...how do you explain

    THE PINEAPPLE?

    THE RAMSEY FLASHLIGHT WITH THE PRINTS ON THE BATTERIES WIPED CLEAN?

    BURKE's KNIFE THAT WAS HIDDEN IN THE 2nd FLOOR CUPBOARD APPEARING IN THE BASEMENT?

    I know there are more but this is just a wee sample of the unexplainable.
    ...We have said to ourselves, look, there is never going to be a victory in this, there is no victory...John Ramsey: 6/24/98


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toltec
    Let's presume the Ramseys are innocent. BUT...how do you explain

    THE PINEAPPLE?

    THE RAMSEY FLASHLIGHT WITH THE PRINTS ON THE BATTERIES WIPED CLEAN?

    BURKE's KNIFE THAT WAS HIDDEN IN THE 2nd FLOOR CUPBOARD APPEARING IN THE BASEMENT?

    I know there are more but this is just a wee sample of the unexplainable.
    While the pineapple is one significant piece to the puzzle, I suppose it could be explained by a few scenarios. One I had thought of before was- Maybe the perp convinced JonBenet to go downstairs for a snack with him (had to be someone she knew), the perp served up the pineapple to her then took her to the basement. I think all of the things were taken care of after the murder, i.e., the knife was taken down and hidden, the prints were wiped from the flashlight, etc. The fingerprints on the bowl the pineapple was served in would be consistent with the family having held the bowl at some point in time, does not mean it was at the time the pineapple was served. Fingerprints are placed on dishes when they are put away. Perhaps Burke was helping (as my kids do) by passing the bowls from the dishwasher to mom to put away. There are a number of things that could explain this, and it could be as simple as the Ramsey's being involved, you cannot rule out anything. While this is a mysterious bit of information, it does not necessarily mean the Ramsey's definitely did this.


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    The intruder bringing the pineapple into the house is the ONLY explanation if you do not believe a Ramsey is involved in either death and/or cover-up.

    Patsy denies buying it, serving it, seeing it - knowing anything about it.

    Sooo, what intruder would bring their own pineapple....and why?
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    The Fresh Pineapple

    Okay, if an intruder brought the fresh pineapple, it had to be someone who knew JonBenet liked it, correct? (It's delicious.) She told her friend Megan and her mom that she'd been promised an extra visit by someone calling himself Santa. Would excitement about that make her forget if this was the same person who'd molested her at the party on the 23?

    He had her crying and trying to call 911, because not even her parents protected her from molestation, (coroners said autopsy showed she was stretched, so it had evidently happened a lot, probably explained her going to the school nurse almost every Monday, and her bedwetting) and someone took the phone away from her who later claimed his mother was in a hospital, and then Stine wouldn't even open the door for police.

    So does that mean the parents were involved, because they apparently never ever protected her? Were they to get business advantages from this? Did they definitely know, or not believe her? Poor little kid, imagine having to live like that!


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    ~sigh~

    I'm not here to convince anybody. The evidence is there for anyone to read about in hundreds of threads. If that doesn't convince you, there's no way I'll be able to.

    Burke would have blabbed to White or somebody that morning or later at least. Patsy and John showed no concern about Burke. In fact, they wanted him out of the house immediately. Probably to protect him and preventing him from blurting out something abpit things he may have overheard (like the lie about him being asleep).

    The DNA is worthless. If there's no source, it's no good. And there isn't one, as much as the Ramsey's wish there was.

    The rest of the evidence came from within the house, no sign of break in, no evidence of an intruder (meaningless DNA doesn't count)...I get tired just thinking about it all. So, I'm goin' to bed.
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    The pineapple

    Quote Originally Posted by TLynn
    Patsy denies buying it, serving it, seeing it - knowing anything about it.
    TLynn,

    Not Quite. Patsy was evasive in most of her answers to questions during the police interviews, so you have to read between the lines when she talks. For instance, here's how Patsy responded about the pineapple:

    Tom Haney: "Just still talking about the bowl itself and the pineapple, and there is probably no way to determine from the photograph whether this was fresh or canned. Do you have either or both in stock at the house?"

    Patsy Ramsey: "Usually I would buy those -- I bought pineapple, it was fresh pineapple that had been peeled or whatever they do to it, and core it and cut it up a little bit, or some that had been fresh that was sealed there in the produce area."

    Tom Haney: "What store did you buy this from?"

    Patsy Ramsey: "Safeway is where I usually buy it from."

    Tom Haney: "It is the fresh pineapple that they do all the work for you?"

    Patsy Ramsey: "Correct."

    So Patsy was purposely evasive and doesn't answer directly whether or not she had fresh pineapple stocked in the house that night. But she implies that she had fresh pineapple stocked in the house. Her answer, as was most of her answers during the interviews, provides wiggle room so she can't be pinned down and caught in a lie or be tied to a hard fact.

    JMO
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    Who's Right?

    TLynn and Blue Crab are quoting from two different sources, right?

    They really disagree? I'd hate to have to look through all the books again, after so many times. I seem to remember Patsy's prints were not on the bowl. Burke's were.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle1
    TLynn and Blue Crab are quoting from two different sources, right?

    They really disagree? I'd hate to have to look through all the books again, after so many times. I seem to remember Patsy's prints were not on the bowl. Burke's were.

    Both Burke's and Patsy's fingerprints were on the bowl containing the pineapple. There were no other prints on the bowl.

    My quotes are directly from the unedited transcripts of the 1998 police interviews.

    JMO


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