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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy View Post
    Chrishope,

    It probably does not fit very well at all.

    Then again JonBenet was in a warm room, wrapped in a blanket, so onset may have been delayed somewhat?

    The digestion of the pineapple limits the time-frame, but if the rigor can be accomodated, then Burke and JonBenet snacking prior to their flight, is a possibility.


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    If I'm not mistaken, additional warmth would speed up the rigor. She was wrapped in a blanket, but I'm not sure how warm the WC was. Most basements are a little cooler than the rest of the house.
    I'm just playing detective here. I have no idea who killed JonBenet. It's just an opinion.


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    I think I may need to read up on a review of this case. Is there somewhere on this thread that night be of help.

    I must admit I have always wondered what explanation was given and apparently accepted by a GJ on the following:
    If the family was responsible why make it look like a kidnapping?

    1-No footprints leading to or from the house on freshly fallen snow
    2-Patsey Ramseys handwriting match to the ransom note
    3- the length and amount of money wanted for the ransom
    4-How does a kidnapped victim with ransom note never leave the house?
    5-If the Ramseys went to all the trouble of making it look like a kidnapping why have the child found murdered by strangulation.

    These people are not stupid--why not just have her found murdered?

    I will admit , I agree with Eileehhawkeye, in asking why with all of their resources they have let this case virtually disappear with Websleuths being the ones to continue to seek answers. That is curious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by R.U.Kidding! View Post
    I think I may need to read up on a review of this case. Is there somewhere on this thread that night be of help.

    I must admit I have always wondered what explanation was given and apparently accepted by a GJ on the following:
    If the family was responsible why make it look like a kidnapping?

    1-No footprints leading to or from the house on freshly fallen snow
    2-Patsey Ramseys handwriting match to the ransom note
    3- the length and amount of money wanted for the ransom
    4-How does a kidnapped victim with ransom note never leave the house?
    5-If the Ramseys went to all the trouble of making it look like a kidnapping why have the child found murdered by strangulation.

    These people are not stupid--why not just have her found murdered?

    I will admit , I agree with Eileehhawkeye, in asking why with all of their resources they have let this case virtually disappear with Websleuths being the ones to continue to seek answers. That is curious.
    Oh, I don't think the case has disappeared. It's still a very well-known case and John was all over national media back in March to promote his book. He just seems too content to let the case go on as an unsolved mystery. He even said that the case was "dead" and never mentioned any tip line that viewers could call. He realizes that at this point that he's never going to jail. He just doesn't seem to care much about solving the case, because there was no intruder. Some people think he wants the case to go away, but he wouldn't get paid for a book and pictures of JBR (that were shown during his media appearances) if the case wasn't still famous. It also seems to me that the R's put a lot of money and effort into staying out of jail, and I feel if they were innocent, they would've spent a lot of money and effort into finding JBR's killer. Just think about Patsy's personality, and how she volunteered at so many different organizations. The JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation, or whatever it was called, would probably be one of top foundations today for missing/murdered children.

    However, I do think that Websleuths and FFJ are the only places that are keeping the coverup/conspiracy angle alive. You can find so much documentation of all the shady stuff that went on in this case. You aren't going to hear about that stuff from the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.U.Kidding! View Post
    I think I may need to read up on a review of this case. Is there somewhere on this thread that night be of help.

    I must admit I have always wondered what explanation was given and apparently accepted by a GJ on the following:
    If the family was responsible why make it look like a kidnapping?

    1-No footprints leading to or from the house on freshly fallen snow
    2-Patsey Ramseys handwriting match to the ransom note
    3- the length and amount of money wanted for the ransom
    4-How does a kidnapped victim with ransom note never leave the house?
    5-If the Ramseys went to all the trouble of making it look like a kidnapping why have the child found murdered by strangulation.

    These people are not stupid--why not just have her found murdered?

    I will admit , I agree with Eileehhawkeye, in asking why with all of their resources they have let this case virtually disappear with Websleuths being the ones to continue to seek answers. That is curious.

    What would you tell police when you call to tell them you went in to wake your six year old daughter and she's dead? They would had to give an accounting of the head bash and the prior vaginal penetration and trauma. JonBenet didn't just go to bed with those injuries. She was asleep on the drive home and John carried her up and put her in bed..or she was wake and John read to her.. John Ramsey is the last person said to of been with JonBenet in those two statements.

    So the next best thing is for someone else. Anyone else. A disgruntled employee/ small foreign faction has taken her, leaving behind a three page ransom letter telling you what will happen if you don't follow their instructions completely and...... they just leave her behind in a little known lowest furthest darkest dirtest room in your home after sexuality abusing her then strangling her to death. Well if you believe that ransom letter you'll believe anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrayedKnot View Post
    RDI=Ramseys Did It

    LMAO! Well I guess I'm RDI too then!

    I seriously cannot believe that there are people out there who still believe the Ramseys innocent. It beggars belief, if you actually know the FACTS and not just media tripe, there is absolutely no question as to their guilt, junk DNA or not.

    I also cannot believe that Lacey & co have been able to preside over one of the biggest miscarriages of justice I have ever seen, and not be somehow held accountable. How can she look at herself in the mirror every day?

    JBR is sadly, a perfect example of how NOT to handle an investigation. She has been abused in life, and death, and I for one will never forget about her until some justice had been done.

    I believe that PR received some karmic justice, at least. JR's is on it's way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SapphireSteel View Post
    LMAO! Well I guess I'm RDI too then!

    I seriously cannot believe that there are people out there who still believe the Ramseys innocent. It beggars belief, if you actually know the FACTS and not just media tripe, there is absolutely no question as to their guilt, junk DNA or not.

    I also cannot believe that Lacey & co have been able to preside over one of the biggest miscarriages of justice I have ever seen, and not be somehow held accountable. How can she look at herself in the mirror every day?

    JBR is sadly, a perfect example of how NOT to handle an investigation. She has been abused in life, and death, and I for one will never forget about her until some justice had been done.

    I believe that PR received some karmic justice, at least. JR's is on it's way.

    SapphireSteel,
    I also cannot believe that Lacey & co have been able to preside over one of the biggest miscarriages of justice I have ever seen, and not be somehow held accountable. How can she look at herself in the mirror every day?
    Too true. But in the circles Lacey and friends move, JonBenet is simply collateral damage, fodder for their career moves. They are not interested in the Justice thing just the career advancement thing, only the politics and money matter to them.

    Lets hope SD's book exposes them for what they are?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ILikeToBendPages View Post
    What would you tell police when you call to tell them you went in to wake your six year old daughter and she's dead? They would had to give an accounting of the head bash and the prior vaginal penetration and trauma. JonBenet didn't just go to bed with those injuries. She was asleep on the drive home and John carried her up and put her in bed..or she was wake and John read to her.. John Ramsey is the last person said to of been with JonBenet in those two statements.

    So the next best thing is for someone else. Anyone else. A disgruntled employee/ small foreign faction has taken her, leaving behind a three page ransom letter telling you what will happen if you don't follow their instructions completely and...... they just leave her behind in a little known lowest furthest darkest dirtest room in your home after sexuality abusing her then strangling her to death. Well if you believe that ransom letter you'll believe anything.
    So if I may ask Is it the general consensus on this thread that JBR had been sexually abused by by John,Burke,or Patsy?...or all of them?

    If this is why they were afraid of this being found out, then why invent the 3 page ransom note about some Foreign Faction who only needed a very small but precise amount of money from John Ramsey, but on their out the door they decided to sexually assault JonBenet, and strangle her, and leave her there. I mean if this was the case why would they not just take her with them and wait for the ransom money to be paid.

    If the Ramseys fabricated this cover-up, wouldn't it make more sense to have us believe some pervert saw JonBenet , stalked her, and took her that night. No ransom note just took her and disposed of her body. Surely finding her in their own basement was the perfect reason to implicate a family member, right?

    If this is what happened, the Ramsey's should of been arrested for sheer stupidity. This case will at least leave it's mark in history, if only as an educational tool for law schools, when needing the "Perfect Storm of Ineptness" of a case. This is ONLY MY opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by R.U.Kidding! View Post
    So if I may ask Is it the general consensus on this thread that JBR had been sexually abused by by John,Burke,or Patsy?...or all of them?

    If this is why they were afraid of this being found out, then why invent the 3 page ransom note about some Foreign Faction who only needed a very small but precise amount of money from John Ramsey, but on their out the door they decided to sexually assault JonBenet, and strangle her, and leave her there. I mean if this was the case why would they not just take her with them and wait for the ransom money to be paid.

    If the Ramseys fabricated this cover-up, wouldn't it make more sense to have us believe some pervert saw JonBenet , stalked her, and took her that night. No ransom note just took her and disposed of her body. Surely finding her in their own basement was the perfect reason to implicate a family member, right?

    If this is what happened, the Ramsey's should of been arrested for sheer stupidity. This case will at least leave it's mark in history, if only as an educational tool for law schools, when needing the "Perfect Storm of Ineptness" of a case. This is ONLY MY opinion.
    There's been a lot of discussion about why the R's didn't dump JBR's body outside. Some of the possibilities brought up have been they couldn't risk anyone seeing them, Patsy would not want her "beauty queen" exposed to the elements, and religious reasons.

    The "Crimes Against Children" forum is filled with cases where the child is found murdered in their home, and the parents/guardians are usually arrested on the spot. These people never come up with any story, or if they do, it's the standard "She/He fell down the stairs!"

    I think the whole intruder story is BS, but the R's have seemed to have gotten away with it, plus there's quite a few people who believe it. Although, I wouldn't recommend anyone who isn't wealthy trying it....

    In every case, when the parent(s) have killed the child, the two "options" seem to be: 1. Dump the child's body outside, and report him/her missing or 2.) Call LE and claim that the child's death was a complete accident. The Ramsey case is unique in that the parents (IMO) left the body in the house, and claimed an intruder entered their home and murdered their child.


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    Hello,

    I am a long time lurker who finally decided to register. First I just wanted to say a big thank you to those of you who have dedicated so much time to putting all this information out in an organized manner. I was too young to be interested in this case when it was current (12) but over the years my mother's interest has rubbed off on me. I have read DOI, PMPT, and ST's book. To answer the thread's question-- I do believe, in my heart of hearts, that one (or all) of the immediate family are responsible to some degree.

    I apologize if this does not belong here, but I have been interested in seeing archieved TV footage of the Ramseys from their many media appearances right after the murder. I have checked YouTube, is there somewhere else these can be found? I believe a lot can be told from their body languange and I unfortunatly missed seeing this 15 years ago.
    Thank you!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Olivia&Eve View Post
    Hello,

    I am a long time lurker who finally decided to register. First I just wanted to say a big thank you to those of you who have dedicated so much time to putting all this information out in an organized manner. I was too young to be interested in this case when it was current (12) but over the years my mother's interest has rubbed off on me. I have read DOI, PMPT, and ST's book. To answer the thread's question-- I do believe, in my heart of hearts, that one (or all) of the immediate family are responsible to some degree.

    I apologize if this does not belong here, but I have been interested in seeing archieved TV footage of the Ramseys from their many media appearances right after the murder. I have checked YouTube, is there somewhere else these can be found? I believe a lot can be told from their body languange and I unfortunatly missed seeing this 15 years ago.
    Thank you!
    They actually didn't make that many media appearances right after the murder. Here's a list:

    January 1997 CNN Interview
    May 1997 Press Conference
    July 1998 British TV Special
    November 1999 Nashville interview

    Then, in March 2000, they made many media appearances to promote their book. Are you also interested in 2000 and later media appearances?

    Here's a very short clip of the January 1997 interview:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAFmNapkpfQ"]Patsy Ramsey on CNN - YouTube[/ame]

    Here's Patsy being interviewed by LE in July 1998:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlxJRb5T_XM"]Patsy Ramsey Interrogation with Tom Haney and Trip DeMuth - YouTube[/ame]


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    Quote Originally Posted by R.U.Kidding! View Post
    So if I may ask Is it the general consensus on this thread that JBR had been sexually abused by by John,Burke,or Patsy?...or all of them?

    If this is why they were afraid of this being found out, then why invent the 3 page ransom note about some Foreign Faction who only needed a very small but precise amount of money from John Ramsey, but on their out the door they decided to sexually assault JonBenet, and strangle her, and leave her there. I mean if this was the case why would they not just take her with them and wait for the ransom money to be paid.

    If the Ratesionmseys fabricated this cover-up, wouldn't it make more sense to have us believe some pervert saw JonBenet , stalked her, and took her that night. No ransom note just took her and disposed of her body. Surely finding her in their own basement was the perfect reason to implicate a family member, right?

    If this is what happened, the Ramsey's should of been arrested for sheer stupidity. This case will at least leave it's mark in history, if only as an educational tool for law schools, when needing the "Perfect Storm of Ineptness" of a case. This is ONLY MY opinion.


    There are several videos of JonBenet (the God Bless America video is the first I noticed the bruises) that show bruises on the inner part of her right arm up. Looks like old finger bruises. Not one but several. Then go look up the Christmas morning photo of JonBenet and Pasty. Pasty has her hand clamped (her hand isn't just resting there ,you can see the tension) on JonBenet right arm in the same place as the old finger bruises in the videos.

    Read Perfect Murder Perfect Town and Steve Thomas's book. Read all the WebSleuths threads. Go to ACandyrose and read all that it there. Go online and look at photos and videos of JonBenet's progression of being sexualized with each pageant.

    JonBenet was an abused and exploited little girl. Pasty, sister Pam and the driving force of Nedra Paugh, Pasty's mother, were the ones that were hellbent on JonBenet winning the Miss America crown that she and her sister never could. Nedra Paugh said when asked if JonBenet didn't want to do the pageants she would be told she would do them. JonBenet was a little girl under tremendous pressure and stress to win.

    "If the Ratesionmseys fabricated this cover-up, wouldn't it make more sense to have us believe some pervert saw JonBenet , stalked her, and took her that night. No ransom note just took her and disposed of her body."

    The Ramsey's had a story of a strange man approaching a float that JonBenet was on in a parade. Could of been someone wanting a better look at the parade.

    John and Pasty couldn't leave the house for fear of being seen or heard. So they had to come up with the story that someone came in and took JonBenet and left a strange rambling three page ransom letter and then left a dead and molested JonBenet in her own home. Not well thought out or original, but they did their best with what they had gleaned from books and movies. I'm sure they learned more about DNA, forensics or the lack thereof than they ever wanted.

    If you had your little girl taken from her own bed and had instructions that you were to follow to insure her well-being and safety, and that you were being monitored and watched, why would you call not one, but several of your friends over along with the police? If the ransom letter was true wouldn't the call to have friends over be a risk in JonBenet being"beheaded" like threatened in the ransom letter? And then she is found with a cord tightly embedded in her tiny neck in her own home later that day.

    If you had your beautiful little girl taken from the safety of her bed and then found strangled and sexually abused in her own home wouldn't you be bending over backwards wanting to help law enforcement in finding who did this terrible thing and killed your little girl? And still be doing so?

    Why would you call in lawyers for every member of your family to keep LE at bay and hide behind instead of just answering their questions to help find her killer? Even your ex-wife in Atlanta Georgia was given one. Why? I mean none of you have nothing to hide right? You want your daughter's killer brought to justice don't you? You'd want the person that did horrendous things to your daughter stopped so another little girl would be spared wouldn't you? But they didn't and he hasn't. Why?

    Why go on every talk show and put down the police as inept and having an agenda of only looking at you and your wife, but not helping them in answering their questions. Why demand and get to look over all that LE had discovered and gathered before you would give them an interview? Why demand and get to review a list of questions that you would be asked?

    Would you ever just go on with life and write several books telling about the journey you've had since her murder and your wife's death? But still not looking or helping the police in finding her killer? Why would you and your wife not help from the very moment when JonBenet was found?

    John Ramsey had money for Pasty to blow through for beauty pageants,but not for real private investigators to help LE find her killer. Why? Was JonBenet only worth the money alive?

    Why turn on every friend that wasn't on board with a intruder killing JonBenet and point the finger at them as her molester and killer?

    I'm not sure about Burke other than he and JonBenet playing doctor and that could account for the previous sexual contact. Maybe he got mad at her and hit her, but everything else was done by John or Pasty.

    I'm leaning towards Pasty being the source of previous "sexual contact" but Pasty angry and rough when she cleaned JonBenet after accidents. And Pasty in a rage doing the head bash. Not sure if she did all or what part of the staging., but the prevous vaginal penetration and brusing had to be hid and that was the reason for the sexual assault that night. I think the cord around her neck to was to hide a previous injury and to finish her off.

    John Andrew Ramsey could be a contender. He had frequent access to her and there was that one neighbor that said he saw him Christmas day near the Ramsey's home. Still is a family member and a cover up to hide what happened to her.

    John. John has placed himself in at least two statements of being the last person with JonBenet in her bedroom Christmas night and the first person with her body the next day. But I would of expected more or less in the crime scene from his list of movies and books.


    I don't think Pasty or John planned very far past JonBenet missing and dead in their home and their story of a intruder or that they would considered suspects. I wonder at times at what the crime scene would of been like if they had more time or imagination.
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    She was one piece of work, all right.

    To those who say..."why would she?"..."what's the motive?"...I say that something very dysfunctional had been going on between PR and her beautiful daughter for a very long time. Parents do abuse their children, for no other reason than personal satisfaction or pleasure. We are finding out more and more about female pedophiles - even 5 years ago the thought they existed in such numbers would've been scoffed by everyone, including possibly the experts. Now thanks to the likes of Melissa Huckaby and Erika Susan Perdue we know that they DO exist, quite a few of them it seems, in all levels of society.

    Who knows why they do what they do? Not me. I suspect in PR's case there was a mental disorder like Muchausen by Proxy, and some sort of ongoing abuse that PR was inflicitng on JBR, mainly to get medical attention. I think her urinary infections were induced (somehow!) by PR, and this is one of the reasons JBR lacked a hymen and showed healed trama. It is also possible that JR was the pedophile, and PR aided and abetted him. It is remotely possible that it was her brother and everything that followed was an elaborate set up to protect him - this I personally do not believe.

    I think the entire event was based around PR's need for attention. I think JR knew this and was also somehow involved in the ongoing abuse of JBR.

    The only reason to stage such a ridiculous kidnapping in the mind of a woman like this (who had to quickly think of a cover-up) naturally centres around her need for attention - which she got, in spades. What's more glamorous, a kidnapping or a child murderer? Would a Southern Belle, given a choice, instinctively go for "kidnapping" because it is so much less icky and more dramatic than some faceless intruder? Don't forget, there was no sexual abuse at the time of death, so she wouldn't be thinking "sexual" cover up.

    Also, it ensures everyone watching knows that she and her husband have lots and lots of money. She did have her house open to the public for tours too, to show how fabulously she lived. The mechanics of keeping a house that size that perfect for that long with 2 small kids is absolutely mind boggling and one has to question who would do that in the first place?

    PR was all about appearances. She had one dead daughter to explain. Is she going for the grubby little home invader, or the glamourous foreign faction?

    Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ILikeToBendPages View Post
    There are several videos of JonBenet (the God Bless America video is the first I noticed the bruises) that show bruises on the inner part of her right arm up. Looks like old finger bruises. Not one but several. Then go look up the Christmas morning photo of JonBenet and Pasty. Pasty has her hand clamped (her hand isn't just resting there ,you can see the tension) on JonBenet right arm in the same place as the old finger bruises in the videos.

    Read Perfect Murder Perfect Town and Steve Thomas's book. Read all the WebSleuths threads. Go to ACandyrose and read all that it there. Go online and look at photos and videos of JonBenet's progression of being sexualized with each pageant.

    JonBenet was an abused and exploited little girl. Pasty, sister Pam and the driving force of Nedra Paugh, Pasty's mother, were the ones that were hellbent on JonBenet winning the Miss America crown that she and her sister never could. Nedra Paugh said when asked if JonBenet didn't want to do the pageants she would be told she would do them. JonBenet was a little girl under tremendous pressure and stress to win.

    "If the Ratesionmseys fabricated this cover-up, wouldn't it make more sense to have us believe some pervert saw JonBenet , stalked her, and took her that night. No ransom note just took her and disposed of her body."

    The Ramsey's had a story of a strange man approaching a float that JonBenet was on in a parade. Could of been someone wanting a better look at the parade.

    John and Pasty couldn't leave the house for fear of being seen or heard. So they had to come up with the story that someone came in and took JonBenet and left a strange rambling three page ransom letter and then left a dead and molested JonBenet in her own home. Not well thought out or original, but they did their best with what they had gleaned from books and movies. I'm sure they learned more about DNA, forensics or the lack thereof than they ever wanted.

    If you had your little girl taken from her own bed and had instructions that you were to follow to insure her well-being and safety, and that you were being monitored and watched, why would you call not one, but several of your friends over along with the police? If the ransom letter was true wouldn't the call to have friends over be a risk in JonBenet being"beheaded" like threatened in the ransom letter? And then she is found with a cord tightly embedded in her tiny neck in her own home later that day.

    If you had your beautiful little girl taken from the safety of her bed and then found strangled and sexually abused in her own home wouldn't you be bending over backwards wanting to help law enforcement in finding who did this terrible thing and killed your little girl? And still be doing so?

    Why would you call in lawyers for every member of your family to keep LE at bay and hide behind instead of just answering their questions to help find her killer? Even your ex-wife in Atlanta Georgia was given one. Why? I mean none of you have nothing to hide right? You want your daughter's killer brought to justice don't you? You'd want the person that did horrendous things to your daughter stopped so another little girl would be spared wouldn't you? But they didn't and he hasn't. Why?

    Why go on every talk show and put down the police as inept and having an agenda of only looking at you and your wife, but not helping them in answering their questions. Why demand and get to look over all that LE had discovered and gathered before you would give them an interview? Why demand and get to review a list of questions that you would be asked?

    Would you ever just go on with life and write several books telling about the journey you've had since her murder and your wife's death? But still not looking or helping the police in finding her killer? Why would you and your wife not help from the very moment when JonBenet was found?

    John Ramsey had money for Pasty to blow through for beauty pageants,but not for real private investigators to help LE find her killer. Why? Was JonBenet only worth the money alive?

    Why turn on every friend that wasn't on board with a intruder killing JonBenet and point the finger at them as her molester and killer?

    I'm not sure about Burke other than he and JonBenet playing doctor and that could account for the previous sexual contact. Maybe he got mad at her and hit her, but everything else was done by John or Pasty.

    I'm leaning towards Pasty being the source of previous "sexual contact" but Pasty angry and rough when she cleaned JonBenet after accidents. And Pasty in a rage doing the head bash. Not sure if she did all or what part of the staging., but the prevous vaginal penetration and brusing had to be hid and that was the reason for the sexual assault that night. I think the cord around her neck to was to hide a previous injury and to finish her off.

    John Andrew Ramsey could be a contender. He had frequent access to her and there was that one neighbor that said he saw him Christmas day near the Ramsey's home. Still is a family member and a cover up to hide what happened to her.

    John. John has placed himself in at least two statements of being the last person with JonBenet in her bedroom Christmas night and the first person with her body the next day. But I would of expected more or less in the crime scene from his list of movies and books.


    I don't think Pasty or John planned very far past JonBenet missing and dead in their home and their story of a intruder or that they would considered suspects. I wonder at times at what the crime scene would of been like if they had more time or imagination.
    ILikeToBendPages,
    John and Pasty couldn't leave the house for fear of being seen or heard. So they had to come up with the story that someone came in and took JonBenet and left a strange rambling three page ransom letter and then left a dead and molested JonBenet in her own home. Not well thought out or original, but they did their best with what they had gleaned from books and movies. I'm sure they learned more about DNA, forensics or the lack thereof than they ever wanted.
    I used to believe that, but a little thought might dispel it.

    There really was nothing to stop JonBenet being dumped outdoors. John or Patsy could have disguised themselves, e.g. put a sack over their heads and walked up the street, without JonBenet, then if all was OK, come back for the body etc.

    This is actually another reason why I think conspiracy, probably organized via that cell-phone, because in most cases where domestic sexual abuse takes place, along with a homicide, a parent, usually the male, does indeed dump the body away from the house. This is one of the staging indicators, since no intruder needs to dump the body outdoors, obviously its not infallible.

    Another indicator is that we know John and Patsy expected JonBenet to be found rather quickly, e.g. before the ransom note deadline. When she was not found, John discovered her.

    So we know John, Patsy and Burke are all involved, they covered for each other. Now Burke does not want to be interviewed by the cold-case detectives.

    I am now tending towards BDI, based on the assumption that legal silence could only be guaranteed, with everyone co-operating, and for that either everyone involved was venally corrupt, or the legal situation requires it. Also none of the orders of confidentiality have been broken. These normally are, after a time-lapse?


    Also BDI is the most consistent explanation of the forensic evidence, all the others have unexplained holes, e.g. why did Patsy not cleanup the breakfast bar?



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    Personally I don't think Burke did it, but I think he is the key to solving this.

    I also think he won't voluntarily open his mouth until his father dies. When that occurs, we shall see. In the meantime, I would like to see an inquest held, where he is brought to a judge as an adult, and compelled under the law to answer questions.

    That's what we do in Australia when there is an unexplained death. It is how Daniel Morcombe's murder was solved - all evidence and witnesses/suspects/involved parties brought together in a court of law in one hearing. It revealed a minor discrepancy which ended up in the case being solved and his body found.

    IMO the Colorado DA's office and govt have no desire for this to be rehashed once again, so no such inquest will occur in the foreseeable future. The only way really for this to happen is public pressure to force it to happen, but thanks to Lacey most Americans believe the Ramsey's were exonerated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy View Post
    ILikeToBendPages,

    I used to believe that, but a little thought might dispel it.

    There really was nothing to stop JonBenet being dumped outdoors. John or Patsy could have disguised themselves, e.g. put a sack over their heads and walked up the street, without JonBenet, then if all was OK, come back for the body etc.

    This is actually another reason why I think conspiracy, probably organized via that cell-phone, because in most cases where domestic sexual abuse takes place, along with a homicide, a parent, usually the male, does indeed dump the body away from the house. This is one of the staging indicators, since no intruder needs to dump the body outdoors, obviously its not infallible.

    Another indicator is that we know John and Patsy expected JonBenet to be found rather quickly, e.g. before the ransom note deadline. When she was not found, John discovered her.

    So we know John, Patsy and Burke are all involved, they covered for each other. Now Burke does not want to be interviewed by the cold-case detectives.

    I am now tending towards BDI, based on the assumption that legal silence could only be guaranteed, with everyone co-operating, and for that either everyone involved was venally corrupt, or the legal situation requires it. Also none of the orders of confidentiality have been broken. These normally are, after a time-lapse?


    Also BDI is the most consistent explanation of the forensic evidence, all the others have unexplained holes, e.g. why did Patsy not cleanup the breakfast bar?



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    There was. It was freezing cold. Why go out in that weather when you have a massive house to hide her in?

    Then, there's the issue of the footprints in the snow...if you dump her outside, you then have to fake footprints going...where?

    Unfortunately for the Ramseys, they didn't realise it worked against them as well. No footprints=no intruder.

    Duh.


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