View Poll Results: Are the Ramseys involved or not?

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  • The Ramseys are somehow involved in the crime and/or cover-up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadpole12 View Post
    Ya, shoot,
    Ok ... ty ... I get ya,

    SFF.

    I just 'see' all these 'french' overtones dispersed? within the note, yet only three references (interpretations) to socialism, one on the first page and two on the last page of the note.





    Socialistes!?
    Better make that four references.

    "...but not the country that it serves".

    Socialism is typically opposing the US, and not silently either.


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    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...y/book_10.html

    During the interview, Thomas described how out of 73 suspects whose writing samples were analyzed by experts in comparison with the note, Patsy Ramsey was the only one who could not be excluded as its author. He also accused Patsy Ramsey of changing her handwriting after the murder. "In the ransom note, almost exclusively the lowercase manuscript a was used, I think, 98 percent of the time," he said. "What was telling was that after the Ramseys were given a copy of the ransom note, the lowercase manuscript a almost disappeared entirely from Patsy's post-homicide writing. Writing samples from Ramseys' personal letters and notes she wrote before the killing contain 732 manuscript a's that look like the lowercase typewritten a, but they are written by hand. She switched to a cursive a after the murder."

    Another point that Thomas made was that the ransom note was signed "S.B.T.C." which allegedly stands for what the note described as "a small foreign faction" that had kidnapped JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom. Thomas indicated that this fact also pointed to Patsy Ramsey, as she often used acronyms. He cited a Christmas note to a friend that was signed "P.P.R.B.S.J.," which she said stood for "Patsy Paugh Ramsey, Bachelor of Science in Journalism." He also said the tear pattern of the ransom-note paper matched Patsy Ramsey's personal note pad, and the felt-tip pen used to write the note matched a pen found in a cup in the Ramseys' kitchen.



    Had no idea about the underlined part,hmmm........


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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...y/book_10.html

    During the interview, Thomas described how out of 73 suspects whose writing samples were analyzed by experts in comparison with the note, Patsy Ramsey was the only one who could not be excluded as its author. He also accused Patsy Ramsey of changing her handwriting after the murder. "In the ransom note, almost exclusively the lowercase manuscript a was used, I think, 98 percent of the time," he said. "What was telling was that after the Ramseys were given a copy of the ransom note, the lowercase manuscript a almost disappeared entirely from Patsy's post-homicide writing. Writing samples from Ramseys' personal letters and notes she wrote before the killing contain 732 manuscript a's that look like the lowercase typewritten a, but they are written by hand. She switched to a cursive a after the murder."

    Another point that Thomas made was that the ransom note was signed "S.B.T.C." which allegedly stands for what the note described as "a small foreign faction" that had kidnapped JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom. Thomas indicated that this fact also pointed to Patsy Ramsey, as she often used acronyms. He cited a Christmas note to a friend that was signed "P.P.R.B.S.J.," which she said stood for "Patsy Paugh Ramsey, Bachelor of Science in Journalism." He also said the tear pattern of the ransom-note paper matched Patsy Ramsey's personal note pad, and the felt-tip pen used to write the note matched a pen found in a cup in the Ramseys' kitchen.



    Had no idea about the underlined part,hmmm........
    I did. That's why I put it in the book.
    Vae Victus! (May the conquered suffer!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    The trend is IDI. The media, TV shows, and LE all trend IDI.
    And I could go for hours explaining why they've got it wrong. But I can sum it up in three words.

    Why not just give up this stale, dead-end RDI fiasco? (Is fiasco French or Italian?)
    How much time you got?
    Vae Victus! (May the conquered suffer!)
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    Was wondering about the "no ramsey prints on the ransom note"....
    Did she forget to take the gloves off when she wrote it(after messing up the crime scene,staging sounds too nice) ?Didn't they touch it at all after she wrote it?How careful.
    Sometimes it can backfire....cause it would have been normal for their prints to be on it.
    The absence of them on it though says a lot to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    Was wondering about the "no ramsey prints on the ransom note"....
    Did she forget to take the gloves off when she wrote it(after messing up the crime scene,staging sounds too nice) ?Didn't they touch it at all after she wrote it?How careful.
    Sometimes it can backfire....cause it would have been normal for their prints to be on it.
    The absence of them on it though says a lot to me.
    Exactly! Patsy had rubber gloves, needles, syringes, alcohol swabs...etc..that she kept in one of the bathroom drawers...a drawer that was left partly open, the night of the murder. She was shown a picture of the drawer, and she said..."I don't know WHY that drawer would be open like that". DUHHHHH....she LEFT it open, in her haste...that's why. IMO...Patsy used those rubber gloves when writing that RN, that is why her prints are not on the paper. She never handed the RN to John to read, he never touched it at all...that is why HIS prints are not on the RN paper. (He already knew what it said, because IMO, he dictated most or all of it to her, why would he need to read it?) I also believe that RN was NEVER on that spiral staircase, at all.

    Another thing...after Mr. Ramsey...the note said..."LISTEN CAREFULLY". Who would write that in a note, you don't LISTEN to a note...you read a note. IMO...John was dictating the note to Patsy...and he was saying to HER..."Listen carefully"...and she thought that it was part of the RN...so she wrote it. He didn't have time to proof read it..so he had no idea that she had written it, until later. And I am sure that he probably thought..."Patsy, how stupid could you be?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Exactly! Patsy had rubber gloves, needles, syringes, alcohol swabs...etc..that she kept in one of the bathroom drawers...a drawer that was left partly open, the night of the murder. She was shown a picture of the drawer, and she said..."I don't know WHY that drawer would be open like that". DUHHHHH....she LEFT it open, in her haste...that's why. IMO...Patsy used those rubber gloves when writing that RN, that is why her prints are not on the paper. She never handed the RN to John to read, he never touched it at all...that is why HIS prints are not on the RN paper. (He already knew what it said, because IMO, he dictated most or all of it to her, why would he need to read it?) I also believe that RN was NEVER on that spiral staircase, at all.

    Another thing...after Mr. Ramsey...the note said..."LISTEN CAREFULLY". Who would write that in a note, you don't LISTEN to a note...you read a note. IMO...John was dictating the note to Patsy...and he was saying to HER..."Listen carefully"...and she thought that it was part of the RN...so she wrote it. He didn't have time to proof read it..so he had no idea that she had written it, until later. And I am sure that he probably thought..."Patsy, how stupid could you be?"
    I agree re "listen carefully".
    Another unbelievable thing to me,the note says she DIES if you call the police and the first thing you do is exactly that?You don't stop for 5 seconds to think about that THREAT?Especially when you're told you're being watched?Any normal parent with normal instincts would do that IMO.But then again,they knew there's no threat,eh.

    The RN looks/sounds to me like someone just copied different parts from 4,5 different scenarios and put that RN together.Makes no sense,doesn't matter how you read/look at it.There was no calm psycho intruder sitting on a chair writing it because he was feeling so lonely waiting for them to come home,it was someone desperate needing a way out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    I agree re "listen carefully".
    Another unbelievable thing to me,the note says she DIES if you call the police and the first thing you do is exactly that?You don't stop for 5 seconds to think about that THREAT?Especially when you're told you're being watched?Any normal parent with normal instincts would do that IMO.But then again,they knew there's no threat,eh.

    The RN looks/sounds to me like someone just copied different parts from 4,5 different scenarios and put that RN together.Makes no sense,doesn't matter how you read/look at it.There was no calm psycho intruder sitting on a chair writing it because he was feeling so lonely waiting for them to come home,it was someone desperate needing a way out.
    Exactly!

    Not only did Patsy call 911, but then they called over a bunch of their friends. Even though the note said that if they so much as talked to a "dog"...their daughter would die. Another thing...Patsy in her interview said that John was calm, cool and collected during this whole thing...so WHY didn't HE call 911????? Patsy admitted that she was "frantic". In a situation that requires 911 to be call....you don't get the person that is an emotional wreck to do it...you get the person that is calm, cool and collected to do it. IMO...Patsy was quite literally the drama queen...acting was her "thing"...so of course, she is going to be the only choice to make the 911 call. She wasn't even crying during the call...she just sounded out of breath for some reason...guess all of that running up and down the stairs to the basement for the staging, was tiring. And you are right again....there was not some calm psycho in their home that night...with time to kill...writing an almost three page RN. It was written out of desperation.
    "This time we get it right."


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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...y/book_10.html

    During the interview, Thomas described how out of 73 suspects whose writing samples were analyzed by experts in comparison with the note, Patsy Ramsey was the only one who could not be excluded as its author. He also accused Patsy Ramsey of changing her handwriting after the murder. "In the ransom note, almost exclusively the lowercase manuscript a was used, I think, 98 percent of the time," he said. "What was telling was that after the Ramseys were given a copy of the ransom note, the lowercase manuscript a almost disappeared entirely from Patsy's post-homicide writing. Writing samples from Ramseys' personal letters and notes she wrote before the killing contain 732 manuscript a's that look like the lowercase typewritten a, but they are written by hand. She switched to a cursive a after the murder."

    Another point that Thomas made was that the ransom note was signed "S.B.T.C." which allegedly stands for what the note described as "a small foreign faction" that had kidnapped JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom. Thomas indicated that this fact also pointed to Patsy Ramsey, as she often used acronyms. He cited a Christmas note to a friend that was signed "P.P.R.B.S.J.," which she said stood for "Patsy Paugh Ramsey, Bachelor of Science in Journalism." He also said the tear pattern of the ransom-note paper matched Patsy Ramsey's personal note pad, and the felt-tip pen used to write the note matched a pen found in a cup in the Ramseys' kitchen.





    Had no idea about the underlined part,hmmm........
    Hi Madeline. Ty for posting the link.

    "Even the tear-pattern of the ransom-note paper matched Patsy Ramsey's personal note pad" ......

    Well, even a match of the 'tear pattern'. That's a "hmmmm" for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Exactly!

    Not only did Patsy call 911, but then they called over a bunch of their friends. Even though the note said that if they so much as talked to a "dog"...their daughter would die. Another thing...Patsy in her interview said that John was calm, cool and collected during this whole thing...so WHY didn't HE call 911????? Patsy admitted that she was "frantic". In a situation that requires 911 to be call....you don't get the person that is an emotional wreck to do it...you get the person that is calm, cool and collected to do it. IMO...Patsy was quite literally the drama queen...acting was her "thing"...so of course, she is going to be the only choice to make the 911 call. She wasn't even crying during the call...she just sounded out of breath for some reason...guess all of that running up and down the stairs to the basement for the staging, was tiring. And you are right again....there was not some calm psycho in their home that night...with time to kill...writing an almost three page RN. It was written out of desperation.
    Hi Ames, Those are very interesting observations.


    I was wondering ...... now, with the new touch dna evidence, why the BPD would not be be able to access the Ramsey's phone records for that night ........given the scenario that the IDI may have spent hours in the Ramsey's home.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadpole12 View Post
    Hi Ames, Those are very interesting observations.


    I was wondering ...... now, with the new touch dna evidence, why the BPD would not be be able to access the Ramsey's phone records for that night ........given the scenario that the IDI may have spent hours in the Ramsey's home.
    Didn't they try to access those, and for some reason, it appeared as if there were NO calls made during the month of Dec? (If this is true...then you KNOW that cannot be right...of all of the months in the year, Dec. is the time that people would make the most calls, because of Christmas, and parties and such).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Didn't they try to access those, and for some reason, it appeared as if there were NO calls made during the month of Dec? (If this is true...then you KNOW that cannot be right...of all of the months in the year, Dec. is the time that people would make the most calls, because of Christmas, and parties and such).
    They did try. They needed a search warrant, and Hunter refused. About a year later, they did manage to get cell and home phone records for the month of December ONLY. The cell phone records were BLANK. No calls made in December 1996. Right.
    IMHO if any incriminating calls were made that night, it would be the cell phones that were used, not the home phone anyway.

    I always thought it suspicious that nothing was mentioned about phone calls that were RECEIVED that month on the phones. It's one thing for the cell carrier to say (fraudulently) that there were no calls made, but what about calls that came in to the phones that night? Specifically between 10pm and 6am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Exactly! Patsy had rubber gloves, needles, syringes, alcohol swabs...etc..that she kept in one of the bathroom drawers...a drawer that was left partly open, the night of the murder. She was shown a picture of the drawer, and she said..."I don't know WHY that drawer would be open like that". DUHHHHH....she LEFT it open, in her haste...that's why. IMO...Patsy used those rubber gloves when writing that RN, that is why her prints are not on the paper. She never handed the RN to John to read, he never touched it at all...that is why HIS prints are not on the RN paper. (He already knew what it said, because IMO, he dictated most or all of it to her, why would he need to read it?) I also believe that RN was NEVER on that spiral staircase, at all.
    Ames. I think the gloves also explain why it appeared that the flashlight batteries appeared to have been wiped. Hasn't it ever happened to you (not you specifically Ames), that you go to use a flashlight that hasn't been used for a while and you find that the batteries are flat? So you put new batteries in - and if you're wearing gloves, hey presto - no fingerprints!


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    Quote Originally Posted by TinaD View Post
    Ames. I think the gloves also explain why it appeared that the flashlight batteries appeared to have been wiped. Hasn't it ever happened to you (not you specifically Ames), that you go to use a flashlight that hasn't been used for a while and you find that the batteries are flat? So you put new batteries in - and if you're wearing gloves, hey presto - no fingerprints!
    Very good point!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Didn't they try to access those, and for some reason, it appeared as if there were NO calls made during the month of Dec? (If this is true...then you KNOW that cannot be right...of all of the months in the year, Dec. is the time that people would make the most calls, because of Christmas, and parties and such).
    Ya. I read 'somewhere' that the Ramsey's agreed to provide records and then the offer was later renaiged.?


    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Didn't they try to access those, and for some reason, it appeared as if there were NO calls made during the month of Dec? (If this is true...then you KNOW that cannot be right...of all of the months in the year, Dec. is the time that people would make the most calls, because of Christmas, and parties and such).
    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    They did try. They needed a search warrant, and Hunter refused. About a year later, they did manage to get cell and home phone records for the month of December ONLY. The cell phone records were BLANK. No calls made in December 1996. Right.
    IMHO if any incriminating calls were made that night, it would be the cell phones that were used, not the home phone anyway.
    Wow.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    I always thought it suspicious that nothing was mentioned about phone calls that were RECEIVED that month on the phones. It's one thing for the cell carrier to say (fraudulently) that there were no calls made, but what about calls that came in to the phones that night? Specifically between 10pm and 6am.
    Ya. That's an interesting distinction.


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