View Poll Results: Are the Ramseys involved or not?

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  • The Ramseys are somehow involved in the crime and/or cover-up

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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaia
    Hi all. As of the last coupla days, I'm back on this case.

    I'm particularly interested in BrotherMoon and his theories. I'm a Jungian enthusiast as well as a great believer in the power of myth. To me, your thoughts, BrotherMoon, seem very well-thought out and provide new fodder. Thanks, and (as I'm sure you know) don't let others get to you.

    Carry on.....
    Ahhhhhhhh! At long last.

    Nice hat. The rise of the repressed feminine comes in odd forms. It's ironic that Patsy did her thing in Boulder.


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    BroMoon

    Yup, when I woke up a few years ago, I remember reading all about Boulder. Sounded like my kind of place - liberal, educated, artsy, beautiful setting. I'm a potter and this place charmed me. Then, of course, I saw the place through the Ramsey case and it didn't quite measure up to a perfect place at all. And the way Patsy took the place by storm seemed like a military campaign. Of course there was no way Patsy was going to surrender to her feminine voice and experience a new birth at 40. Her struggle seemed to be in resisting anything natural or wise. I've met a bunch of women very similar in actions and deeds and I've often felt very wary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaia
    Of course there was no way Patsy was going to surrender to her feminine voice and experience a new birth at 40.
    Bingo.

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    Bingo!

    We all travel from one stage of life to another. Some of us don't accept the natural changes and attempt to regress. Example: A woman gets one plastic surgery after another in an effort to reverse time. She constantly exercises, buys and wears clothes intended to be worn by teenagers, appears coquettish to men of all ages, tries to attract younger men, etc. This is the ego trying to stay in control of a situation not possible to control. Result: Resistance to change and sometimes regression into an earlier stage of life. To me, Patsy did just that. Turning 40 was an important part of this. Her illness probably made her feel even older and as if the life she had loved in the past was fading away. She was no longer the beauty queen, but her daughter - her own blood - could be. This must have been a horrible time for her. She was probably imploding...
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    Question Is....

    I really think the question about this case is, what did PR mean when she told her sister "We didn't mean for THIS to happen"?

    Nothing to do with Jung. It sounds like a confession that they made a mistake in choice of friends and who to let JonBenet be with. And that could be why John was saying "I'm so sorry" on the walk with friends.

    Professional psychologists wouldn't presume to analyze the R's long-distance w/out even knowing them, neither should we, unless we want to be known as some of those fools that rush in? No offense. You're doing some good posts, Gaia, but don't forget that fact that Patsy told her sister which she thought was private, didn't know it would be reported.

    I think what Patsy said to her sister may be the biggest clue in the case. What in the world do you suppose she meant?

    And btw, as I explained in another thread, when an arrogant hater, bullying his or her way around, claims to know more than FBI or anyone that a woman at a distance is a killer and has such and such a psychological makeup, we're duty and honor bound to defend the accused person as we'd want to be defended, if we'd suffered such a blow.

    Some feel the R's act like they don't care much. Well, we don't really know if stoicism is their way of coping. I'm not saying people are right or wrong. We just tend to judge each other harshly if we're ourselves harsh. It's not civilized. Ethics is "Do unto others only as you'd want done to you in their place," empathy. Putting yourself in the other person's shoes. Do people who pretend to be authorities about psychology have any credibility when they can't muster up any empathy for others and when they don't know professionals wouldn't attempt to diagnose w/out even knowing a patient. Nothing personal of course, just don't get the picture backwards. Those of us defending Patsy from any vicious accusers, (showing-off?) aren't the aggressors. She's innocent until a court of law including professionals prove her guilty and if that right were taken away from her, it'd be taken from us too. What if such a bizarre thing should happen to one of us, and we were framed just by being there?

    Repeating the question, what did Patsy mean by "We didn't mean for THIS to happen? Anyone? I think it's probably in Schiller's book. If not, ST's?
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    Gotcha, Eagle1

    This is a forum of opinion. I'm giving mine. I don't feel dispassionate toward Patsy. I'm just saying what I think. I know of two psychologists (friends) who've expressed their opinions about Patsy, John, Burke, Scott Peterson, Jackie Peterson, Lee Peterson, Janey Peterson..... These psychologists wouldn't post on a website such as this and outright proclaim who and what they are. Some may. Doubt it. I'm not out to get Patsy. I'm trying to use the information I have gleaned over years of reading to try to pose an understanding of Patsy and her behavior. I can't make Patsy be guilty or innocent. Just thinking out loud. Your posts are the result of thinking and historical knowledge and you're welcome to post it.

    Your wondering what Patsy meant by her rather cryptic message to person close to her could have meant just about ANYTHING. I don't know the direct context. Do you? If so, I'd love to know the conversation.

    Keep posting. Different brains produce different points of view. That's healthy.
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    Hiya, Gaia,

    Just came back to edit one of my posts if I can find it, to put a question mark after the expression "showing off".

    Yep, we're getting some new ideas from each other, and I didn't mean to imply you were out to get Patsy. I didn't think that at all.

    Psychiatrists pals may say things off-the-record, yep, which they would not say publicly so it's not official, because they haven't studied the subjects in person.

    Bro. Moon, hang in there. We're not out to get you or anyone. I just would not want to be accused of murder after losing one of my children and Patsy may have made some mistake in choice of who she'd let JonBenet be with, but it wasn't intentional. I'm not as trusting as she was, but we need to sympathize anyway about what happened to those people.


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    [QUOTE=Eagle1]I really think the question about this case is, what did PR mean when she told her sister "We didn't mean for THIS to happen"?
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    It's in Schiller's book, but it was Pam Griffin who Patsy said this to shortly after the murder. Pam said she got the feeling that Patsy KNEW who did this.
    Patsy also asked Pam if she could "fix this." Probably a reference to Pam's alterations business - only this time Patsy wasn't asking her to fix a pageant dress....
    This post is my opinion.


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    About that quote, I wonder if Patsy meant they (Patsy and John) had worked and created this great life with lots of money, toys, status, friends, etc. and the whole thing came tumbling down because of JB's death and everything surrounding it. Just musing.....
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    Well, Yes.

    Yes, that's one possible explanation.

    And Angel, I was positive it was PR's sister Pam she said that to, but can't reach my book down from a shelf to check it, sore arm. Maybe some laziness about getting out a step.

    Anyway, as I just replied in another thread, Anyone Else Alarmed, I think, there were some very odd behaviors by most of the Rs' circle of friends.

    FW's behavior in Atlanta wasn't the first time it seemed odd. There was the taking JonBenet to the bathroom, and no doubt lots of other incidents.

    I've asked "What could be the tie that binds" this circle of friends? Did Susan Stine just simply not want the party interrupted by police, or could there have been another reason for turning them away at the door, such as maybe letting an abused child get the idea law enforcement would be on their side?


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    Eagle1

    I certainly think JB was abused. Whether the abuse extended beyond the immediate family is an interesting question. Back when this case was still young (and we were too) I kept thinking if the circle of friends was involved we'd get some leakage of clues and info. Yes, there was that woman in Ca. who claimed to have been victim of a group which may have included Fleet. I remember reading her stuff online years ago.

    What are your arguments to support that theory? I'd love to know, as my "little gray cells" just ain't what they used to be. Can't remember much anymore. Waltz me through it, if you will.
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    Oh, You Mean Nancy Krebs

    I guess my theory was that she just got so attacked as a whistleblower that she had to go into hiding. That's about all I can remember at the moment about that. Maybe someone else knows more.

    The two California guys visiting the Whites were, I think, connected to a Kalli (sp?) group, which I believe may be a goddess in India, which may have had some strange practices. One was married to Priscilla White's neice, the other one just someone's boyfriend. That's on pg 43 of Schiller, paperback. I did get the book down. And someone was right who said the Pam wasn't Patsy's sister, but Pam Griffith and her daughter Kristine.

    She said, later, that Patsy had said something LIKE "We didn't mean for this to happen", after saying, "You know, THEY killed my baby." pg 53.

    Sometimes it seems like she knows something about who did it, maybe even more than two people, and that she may not know exactly which one, unless it was the obviously-disturbed phone caller she suspected during the Grand Jury, according to The Patricia Letters or Papers, not a gov't agency experiment, right? Some nut's idea of training up a child to be humble? Just beating the bushes, not saying I believe that.


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    Oh good grief not Krebs!

    Read her deposition and you'll see she is mentally ill!

    Can't believe some posters actually took up Krebs crap seriously....I think they all went into hiding when the truth came out! hehehehe
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    Didn't Read It But...

    Maybe you could post some of it in case I'm not the only one who did not ever see it? Guess you know, it's against rules of debate to claim a thing never happened just because we personally never saw it happen.

    (Or, I guess implied, to assume she's wrong just because she's a woman and he's wealthy and powerful? Ever read a womens' magazine article about typical slanders of female whistleblowers? Have we come a long way baby or back to the stone age? )


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    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...ead.php?t=3971


    There you go. Yep we've come a long way...what is this she female and he's male and therefore she is right?

    Right is right, reguardless of gender...Nancy LIES!....a lot.
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