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  1. #436
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natal View Post
    They will bother. It is the responsibility of the defence to attack the credibility of evidence presented by the state when it is open to question.
    I'm sure they'll try every trick in the book. After all, it's their job to do that. That said, I'm not sure they'll get very far attacking the validity of their birth certificates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natal View Post
    They will bother. It is the responsibility of the defence to attack the credibility of evidence presented by the state when it is open to question.
    i dont thnk you realize what it means to plead insanity.......it means you stipulate that you did what the charges state, but are not responsible for your actions. it would be pretty stupid to stipulate to something, then attack it.

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    I think the timeline they will dispute is when Jaycee conceived. She had the first girl when she was 14 yes, but she conceived when she was 13. The rules for children under 14 and over 14 are different. I think they will try to prove Jaycee a total lier and that he did not have sex with her until she was over 14 and that the first girl was perhaps born in February of 95. As far as insanity, both being insane for 18 years is pushing it a bit. They (the prosecution) is probably hoping that Jaycee will either not testify like she said she would or that she will try to defend the G's by saying he didn't touch her at first. This is just all supposition.

    And just a thought, different subject but same. It is a good thing jaycee and her girls were found. The G's gave them no avenues to support themselves. When granny died, her social security would also go. So where would they get money. The printing business was substandard (don't get angry but it was). I think Mr. G would have resorted to pimping out both Jaycee and her girls for money. The religious thing was just a means to get money and it was failing. The black box was an attempt to get money and no sane person would ever believe or invest in that. Taxes were due on the home. Time was definitely running out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazerelle View Post
    I think the timeline they will dispute is when Jaycee conceived. She had the first girl when she was 14 yes, but she conceived when she was 13. The rules for children under 14 and over 14 are different. I think they will try to prove Jaycee a total lier and that he did not have sex with her until she was over 14 and that the first girl was perhaps born in February of 95. As far as insanity, both being insane for 18 years is pushing it a bit. They (the prosecution) is probably hoping that Jaycee will either not testify like she said she would or that she will try to defend the G's by saying he didn't touch her at first. This is just all supposition.

    And just a thought, different subject but same. It is a good thing jaycee and her girls were found. The G's gave them no avenues to support themselves. When granny died, her social security would also go. So where would they get money. The printing business was substandard (don't get angry but it was). I think Mr. G would have resorted to pimping out both Jaycee and her girls for money. The religious thing was just a means to get money and it was failing. The black box was an attempt to get money and no sane person would ever believe or invest in that. Taxes were due on the home. Time was definitely running out.
    im assuming you mean the defense is hoping she wont testify or will give a glowing account of the wackos.
    btw the charges that apply only to 'rape' and not 'with a minor' it wont matter what age she was if she testifies it was forced.

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    I am not sure why the difference in age would be an issue unless they contend she was 14 and consented so it was only statutory rape hoping for a lesser sentence. But if you read the pleading, it sort of skips from her 14th birthday to the end of the year (or I overlooked it in my brief scanning of the document) and starts Jan 1 95 though Dec 95 with different wording for the charges after she turned 14.

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    i dont care if she was 11 or 29.....it's not consent either way even if she consented. it all sprung from kidnapping and rapes. nothing that happened after they stole her was 'consueal'. i guess maybe the law has a diffrent view.

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    I happen to agree with you on that. But the law tends to have degrees in its idea of crime. Fortunately, the crime of rate is now considered a major crime when it used to be they practically accused the victim.

    At any rate, PG is gone for a good long time no matter what. And if there is any justice in the world, NG will be gone too. And with current events showing that women are just a vicious as men and not always a victim, chances are they will throw the proverbial book at her.

    *looks at smiles to the left and again wonders why sometimes they are there and sometimes they are not.**

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    Hello,
    I am new to this forum. I have blogged many times and in many forums but I actually just found this site yesterday. I thought I would share some thoughts about this aspect of the case.

    So we know by now the older girl is 16. In two years she will be a legal adult. Do you think the purpose of dragging it out another two years, like some media outlets are reporting, is for the purpose of waiting until the girl is old enough to testify on her own without the defense team needing Jaycee's parental permission?

    There are so many issues that Jaycee has to deal with, and becoming a single parent in the midst of this has to be extremely tough. I don't mean to say she was not before, but
    now she has to make all these decisions on her own which Garrido was probably doing before his arrest. It's one thing for her to deal with the world knowing about her, it's another thing the world knowing about her children. Wow, this has to be a tough thing for her.

    How does her family deal with their anger toward Garrido without alienating the children he created? Wow, this is a tough situation all the way around. Jaycee has my support and prayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbl8201 View Post
    im assuming you mean the defense is hoping she wont testify or will give a glowing account of the wackos.
    btw the charges that apply only to 'rape' and not 'with a minor' it wont matter what age she was if she testifies it was forced.
    Obviously it's hard to procreate with your kidnap victim while you in prison, which is where he was for that short amount of time. If she never left the shed for 18 months, which is a year and a half, then in the backyard for 4 years, that means she was in the backyard until after the birth of the second child.

    It's easy to prove their conception time, the first was when she was in the shed, locked in it. Even if she were over 14, she was still locked in there by him. There would no such thing as consensual sex in that case. I think consensual would imply that she had a choice, which she did not. He removed from her the choice, therefore no matter what age she was, it was not consensual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_want2say View Post
    Hello,
    I am new to this forum. I have blogged many times and in many forums but I actually just found this site yesterday. I thought I would share some thoughts about this aspect of the case.

    So we know by now the older girl is 16. In two years she will be a legal adult. Do you think the purpose of dragging it out another two years, like some media outlets are reporting, is for the purpose of waiting until the girl is old enough to testify on her own without the defense team needing Jaycee's parental permission?

    There are so many issues that Jaycee has to deal with, and becoming a single parent in the midst of this has to be extremely tough. I don't mean to say she was not before, but
    now she has to make all these decisions on her own which Garrido was probably doing before his arrest. It's one thing for her to deal with the world knowing about her, it's another thing the world knowing about her children. Wow, this has to be a tough thing for her.

    How does her family deal with their anger toward Garrido without alienating the children he created? Wow, this is a tough situation all the way around. Jaycee has my support and prayers.

    WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope you will stick around and contribute. Great post!!!!!:Welcome-12-june:
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    Jaycee and Terri are doing a great job of assuring the girls as private a chance to assimilate as possible, IMHO. You don't see them on the covers of magazines, in the tabloids or on the news.

    I hope they are having the opportunity to make friends, go out in public and just enjoy themselves. I can not imagine the culture shock they must still feel, going shopping, watching what they want on tv, reading what they want and even going to school. I wonder if they have anger at their father, for the things he did to their Mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnieRN View Post
    Jaycee and Terri are doing a great job of assuring the girls as private a chance to assimilate as possible, IMHO. You don't see them on the covers of magazines, in the tabloids or on the news.

    I hope they are having the opportunity to make friends, go out in public and just enjoy themselves. I can not imagine the culture shock they must still feel, going shopping, watching what they want on tv, reading what they want and even going to school. I wonder if they have anger at their father, for the things he did to their Mother.
    Their primary years were raised in a very unconventional home, they did not really know better, trained with a strange religion and lived in a hovel, so IMHO it will take time for them to grasp it all. I doubt it can be all told in one year or two. Like you said they need to assimilate and be in present time a bit. I am sure JC let them know as much as they can handle. I am sure she is guided by a professional.

    Again IMO as they can formulate the questions they most likely get more information. but at first all they know is life seems a bit nicer now, and N&G did something bad, not what God wanted at all.
    It will be their second Thanksgiving soon I am sure they have grown a lot. I am glad they are not exposed at all and do have privacy
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    I haven't checked to see if this has been posted on any of the other threads. ..but talk about a heart-rending but also heartwarming video!
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/jaycee-duga...ry?id=40279504

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabirey View Post
    I haven't checked to see if this has been posted on any of the other threads. ..but talk about a heart-rending but also heartwarming video!
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/jaycee-duga...ry?id=40279504
    It was such a good episode of 20/20. I hope Diane Sawyer gets an Emmy for it.

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