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    and still more DNA testing needs to be done, the prosecution has had years to test everything they have I can't understand why they haven't, as has the defence, the case should be ready for trial now,

    I hope we get to see more solid evidence from this pretrial, as so far all I have heard is he had blood on his shorts, which defence can argue got there when he found bodies and he lied about where he got shotgun from, the shotgun if it was murder weapon must have blood/dna/hair or other bodily evidence on it if it was murder weapon but we have yet to hear this evidence,

    I am still yet to be convinced that one person could kill 4 adult males, one teenage male who wrestled at school, 2 other adult females and one other teenage girl by himself within the confines of that trailer and not one of them was able to either escape or at least fight back and leave marks on the attacker,


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    The shotgun belonging to one of the victims is new. I am interested to know who it belonged to.

    I am going to go back and look for media reports on what was reported Guy said about the gun at the time.


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    Guy said it was his gun, and he was removing/hiding it because it was stolen or not licensed and he did not want to get into trouble, LE asked ATF to check serial number and it came back as being registered to one of the dead victims, this new information was testified to at pretrial


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    http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia...rder-dismissed

    more interesting evidence revealed during pretrial, officers saw blood on the shotgun that was in Guys car, and he admitted smoking crack the night of the murders


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    I was just coming to post the story from yesterday's FL Times-Union but I see that joe jones has already posted it.

    I agree that there was come very interesting evidence revealed during pretrial.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulmagent View Post
    The shotgun belonging to one of the victims is new. I am interested to know who it belonged to.

    I am going to go back and look for media reports on what was reported Guy said about the gun at the time.
    I read long ago that the shotgun belonged to one of the adult men that was murdered.

    They are going to get Heinz on his lies.

    He took that shotgun out of the house of horrors he made because he had used it as one of the blugdeoning weapons, imo. A part of the shattered stock was found in the driveway. It probably fell off when he was taking it out of the house to hide it in his car.

    I also think the blood on his clothing is not going to belong to Michael but may be a mixture of some of the other victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe jones View Post
    and still more DNA testing needs to be done, the prosecution has had years to test everything they have I can't understand why they haven't, as has the defence, the case should be ready for trial now,

    I hope we get to see more solid evidence from this pretrial, as so far all I have heard is he had blood on his shorts, which defence can argue got there when he found bodies and he lied about where he got shotgun from, the shotgun if it was murder weapon must have blood/dna/hair or other bodily evidence on it if it was murder weapon but we have yet to hear this evidence,

    I am still yet to be convinced that one person could kill 4 adult males, one teenage male who wrestled at school, 2 other adult females and one other teenage girl by himself within the confines of that trailer and not one of them was able to either escape or at least fight back and leave marks on the attacker,
    His problem among many is he said he only touched Michael. So if the blood is not Michael's that will be another nail in his coffin.

    I am very convinced he murdered all of these people right by himself. I had read early that the family was told that the victims were attacked as they slept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe jones View Post
    http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia...rder-dismissed

    more interesting evidence revealed during pretrial, officers saw blood on the shotgun that was in Guys car, and he admitted smoking crack the night of the murders
    I wish insession was following this case.

    Anyway I found a bit of an issue with the statement the officer made

    Lt. Keith Stalvey, who was a sergeant at the time, testified that he drew his weapon only to clear and secure the residence where Heinze had made a frantic 911 call that his family had been killed

    Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...#ixzz22vefM9xc
    And then this
    At that point, he was the lone survivor,’’ Stalvey said.

    Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...#ixzz22velK4tF
    This statement here bothers me for the reason on the 911 Guy Jr was asked for detailed information on the rising and falling of MT's chest. The officer would have known as that is important information on the scene ,and EMT would not be allowed to enter until the scene was declared safe for them to enter.That officer would be the one to call them from a ready and waiting on the scene to clear to assit.

    GuyJr was not the lone survivor and this statement is way off and it doesnt really make sence for it to be stated that way. As it is not truthful. The officer trys to quailfy it with "At the time" but that is not true even if he thought it was it just isnt.

    Now this next quote reflects what I had thought was reported. That Guy believed the shotgun to be stolen. I think that past articles will reflect that he said he believed it was or thought it was ,not that it was for a fact.Not sure but this is why I posted about going looking for the statement reported about the gun.

    And when he was questioned whether there were guns inside the residence, Heinze responded there were, but he had taken out a shotgun that he believed to have been stolen and put it in the trunk of the Mercury Cougar he was driving, Stalvey testified.

    Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...#ixzz22vihuvGG
    I am still blown away by the lack of coverage on this case.


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    Looks like we may have a trial this year:

    http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...-guy-heinze-jr


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    Quote Originally Posted by sigsky View Post
    Looks like we may have a trial this year:

    http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...-guy-heinze-jr
    30 to 45 days.

    Anyone know if all the forensics are back from the state lab? Or if anything thing is?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sigsky View Post
    Looks like we may have a trial this year:

    http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...-guy-heinze-jr
    This part made me tear up.

    BRUNSWICK - Blood-splattered children’s drawings may be among the evidence jurors see when Guy Heinze Jr. is tried for murder in the Aug. 29, 2009, beating deaths of his father and six others.

    Whether prosecutors can use the pictures at trial, however, is still one of the issues presiding Superior Court Judge Stephen Scarlett must decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulmagent View Post
    30 to 45 days.

    Anyone know if all the forensics are back from the state lab? Or if anything thing is?

    state says it still has stuff to test, doesn't sound to me like the slam dunk the state said it was when he was arrested,

    so far all the evidence I have heard is he had blood on his shorts and moved a shotgun that had blood on it, he admits he was in trailer and saw bodies so defence can argue he got blood on him then, depends whose blood also, if it was Michaels (the teenage boy who had survived the initial attack but died later) then he should have his blood on him as according to him he found Michael at the door of the trailer and must have touched him when he realised he was alive,

    the shotgun he said he moved as I have read he said he believed it was stolen so he moved it, he needs to explain why he even touched it, and why he removed it when LE has testified that he saw blood on it when he looked in Guys car, why would you touch a shotgun with blood on it when you had come home and found dead bloody bodies everywhere, who were your family, but then people do react/act in mystifying ways be they guilty or innocent when confronted with things like this,

    not evidence but he admits he smoked crack night of murders, that is all that's been released so far,


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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    This part made me tear up.

    BRUNSWICK - Blood-splattered children’s drawings may be among the evidence jurors see when Guy Heinze Jr. is tried for murder in the Aug. 29, 2009, beating deaths of his father and six others.

    Whether prosecutors can use the pictures at trial, however, is still one of the issues presiding Superior Court Judge Stephen Scarlett must decide.
    Would it be too much to decide this case just based on the facts? What purpose does bringing in these drawings serve other than to play on the emotions of the jury. I hope the state has more pertinent evidence than this.

    I am somewhat dismayed at the lack of media coverage of these hearings. I suspect Guy is destined to be quietly tucked away on death row. The case is too old and there is too much fresher news for this trial to gain any national traction. I've been trying to keep an open mind but I am steadily coming to the opinion that he is probably the lone perpetrator.


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    the drawings will be used to sway the jury emotionally, defence and state do all they can to have an emotional impact on a jury, they have yet to do any testing on the drawings to see whose blood is on them, so until or unless they do so I can't see the judge letting them in,

    I am no longer shocked or surprised at the capriciousness of national media as to which victims or crimes get the most media traction,


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    Quote Originally Posted by joe jones View Post
    the drawings will be used to sway the jury emotionally, defence and state do all they can to have an emotional impact on a jury, they have yet to do any testing on the drawings to see whose blood is on them, so until or unless they do so I can't see the judge letting them in,

    I am no longer shocked or surprised at the capriciousness of national media as to which victims or crimes get the most media traction,
    I was wondering what children did the drawings? Was it the 2 year old?

    Or the 15/yo?

    Were they pictures made years before? Or a 2 year olds artwork. Not that it matters it is pretty sad all arround but I did question it. The ages for childrens drawings among the victims is so wide that it made me question why they would be called childrens drawings verses artwork ,which IMO would fit much better as 2 year olds scribble and teens are not what you would picture making childrens drawings. Micheal however may have made child like drawings. Doesnt make it a childs drawing. So ,yeah I guess it is about the emotional impact.


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