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    when calling customer Service this AM, I was told there hadn't been service (an open account) for the Roxie address in over a year. Probably service was stopped when people moved out and put it on the market. If Ross and Jennifer rented, maybe the trash cans were left behind and that's what they are using. I was told billing would be every 3 months and I think it was $79.00.

    Regarding hauling trash: I know very successful people who haul their trash in large, strong bags every week to put into a dumpster behind where they work. It's the nature of who they are. for Ross...not sure it would be shuz, but there are dumpsters all over...also Allied has a place one can bring trash, tires etc. for a fee. Maybe Ross has learned it's not safe to put the trash out in front. Regardless of what they do with their trash - I find Ross guilty and wonder where he put little Hasanni. just some thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForensicsFan View Post
    One thought on the trash service issue. Sometimes people just don't get around to calling about these things and service continues, as the actual workers aren't the ones authorizing accounts.

    Any chance trash service keeps on coming to Roxie Terrace, LR and JC put it out and it just keeps being taken with the rest of the block? Those on the truck might just cover a given area, taking the trash they see out for them. It reminds me of a situation in my youth where we moved in as renters and were not getting billed for water by the city (though of course we had service). We figured the landlord was paying for it until we received a belated (large) bill most of a year later. Sometimes service just continues.

    Also, while I wouldn't rule out a move like putting trash out at Shuz personality-wise from LR, I just can't see him commuting with trash bags with old food, etc. even in his trunk that would sully the BMW. He strikes me as probably a very neat and organized man. JMO.
    bolded by me.

    This had also occurred to me and seems like the most likely scenario. I agree with you about LR not wanting to sully the car with trash, and as far as JC carrying bags of garbage from Fremont on public trans--that would be really gross and unthinkable. There are plenty of garbage cans and dumpsters --it would be silly to haul one's trash all the way from Fremont to Oakland!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Columbo View Post
    I'm really doubting that JC transported the garbage in her commute from Fremont. I can't imagine taking garbage on BART and then on a bus for all that distance! I think this was probably LR's job--I bet he found a dumpster behind some store or restaurant in Fremont and always dumped the garbage there.

    His story that dropping Hasanni off at Shuz was a routine they had been doing for 6 months or so is a lie, I believe. If it had been a routine, then one might think, okay, he brought the garbage up to Shuz when he brought the children there--but I think he was lying, there was no routine, and thus, no weekly garbage drop off at Shuz either. IMO --I could be wrong, of course!!
    there is no way Jennifer would carry trash onto BART and/or a bus - also, isn't carrying garbage on a bus or train against the law?

    I agree - there was no routine. Not a single person around Shuz remembers seeing Ross, the children, or the car at any time. the owner says he never saw the children in the business. If anything makes me wonder about Jennifer's involvement, it's the supposed drop-off routine at Shuz.

    Where did Ross put that beautiful child?
    Please think long and hard before calling a child a 'run-a-way':
    You might be giving a 'perk' to the 'perp'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes4crime View Post
    there is no way Jennifer would carry trash onto BART and/or a bus - also, isn't carrying garbage on a bus or train against the law?

    I agree - there was no routine. Not a single person around Shuz remembers seeing Ross, the children, or the car at any time. the owner says he never saw the children in the business. If anything makes me wonder about Jennifer's involvement, it's the supposed drop-off routine at Shuz.

    Where did Ross put that beautiful child?
    bolded by me.

    If it isn't against the law, it should be! ICK!!! Definitely would be a health hazard, IMO.

    And where is Hassani?

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    If you guys want to, feel free to start up a "trash talk" thread!

    Also, anyone who wishes can follow through on Kat's "who's who" idea.

    As to names, etc., yes it is best not to flash around exact addresses on here, and to stick to initials as much as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyaDuck? View Post
    If you guys want to, feel free to start up a "trash talk" thread!

    Also, anyone who wishes can follow through on Kat's "who's who" idea.

    As to names, etc., yes it is best not to flash around exact addresses on here, and to stick to initials as much as possible.
    LOL, trash talk!

    Not sure I understand whose addresses and names we aren't supposed to be posting ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Columbo View Post
    LOL, trash talk!

    Not sure I understand whose addresses and names we aren't supposed to be posting ???
    Any, really, if you can help it, I believe.

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    I noticed in the timeline thread, we don't have times on the Pick Your Part trip to Hayward or on the bank trip. I've seen divergent news stories on the auto salvage trip, some saying "hours before" Hasanni went missing in the afternoon, some saying "that morning."

    To me, these two pieces of information are important. Right now, what we know for sure is that if it occurred that day and LR is truly the only party with knowledge, he had roughly 8 1/2 hours (7 a.m. - 3:30 p.m.) to kill Hasanni, come up with a plan, make alibi trips (drive time being important + ATM time + yard time), and clean up or stage any evidence and handle body disposal. That's the window, of course, if he committed the crime right at 7:01 a.m. The more time we know was taken, the tighter the time window (and the closer the body would have to be).

    For instance, if JC's story is correct, and supposing (though not likely) the second she left, Hasanni was hurt within 15 minutes. Even if he spent only half an hour planning, that's still 45 minutes. Add in even a 15 minute trip to the bank and a 20 minute trip to Hayward, and you've eliminated 1 hour 20 minutes from the timeline, taking you to 7 hours and 10 minutes. Add 5 minutes spent at an ATM and 10 minutes at the auto yard parking lot and you now have less than 7 hours.

    Even if you eliminate care time for Aayliah (diapers, food, etc.), possible gas trip, shower, clean-up, preparation of body for transport, walking from car to exact dump site, and other variables, would this mean that Hasanni has to be within 3.5 hours of Roxie Terrace (or Hayward) if LR did it that day?

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    One other thought. My feeling is that LR is indeed a planner, control freak, and not someone to take too many chances if he doesn't feel he can control the outcome. I'm guessing that even with generous concessions, his commission and disposal and cover-up Monday is entirely possible but improbable, and I think the more info that comes out, the smaller that window will become, but who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForensicsFan View Post
    One other thought. My feeling is that LR is indeed a planner, control freak, and not someone to take too many chances if he doesn't feel he can control the outcome. I'm guessing that even with generous concessions, his commission and disposal and cover-up Monday is entirely possible but improbable, and I think the more info that comes out, the smaller that window will become, but who knows.
    I so totaly agree with this post and your prior post. Just wanted to add my 2 cents for the 2nd time ( copied this from an earlier post..of mine on diff thread here
    sorry if thats cheatin a little,,, the discuusion was bridges and which direction LRmay have goe i.e. Monterey

    just a few thoughts...
    1. If the deed was done on Mon I doubt he really would have had time to go to Monterey, what with the bank trip and the Junk-Yard trip.
    2. If the deed was done before Mon I think he may have done a better job of disposal i.e. (not a quick bridge dump) .
    3. I know some of you here think he wouldn't go to much trouble. I think If the deed was done before Mon that, he may have gotten very elaborate. !! We know he feels he is smarter than the average "Dingle Ball" . I can just see him finishing up, wipeing off his hands and thinking, " Look what a Fine Job I've Done, Boy, I'm Good. NO ONE will Ever Figure This Out ".
    4. I would love to know if his bank trip could have been for cash for the rental of a storage facility... is the supposed (mini-fridge) at the house or pluged in somewhere else to avoid the detection of decomp...?


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    The Dumbarton Bridge is only a few minutes from the house. Through Don Edwards Park you can drive out to a fishing pier next to the bridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecatzippy View Post
    The Dumbarton Bridge is only a few minutes from the house. Through Don Edwards Park you can drive out to a fishing pier next to the bridge.
    thanks for the info !! I've been to the Oakland area lots of times when I lived in CA, now am in TX and appreciate the posts from the eyes and ears out there. Thanks again
    THE 3 R's - Teach a child to READ and they WILL GO ANYPLACE THEY WANT TO GO,.. Teach a child RESPECT and they will be WELCOME MOST ANYWHERE THEY DO GO,..Teach a CHILD RESPONSIBILITY and MOST EVERYONE WILL BE GLAD THEY HAVE ARRIVED

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    Quote Originally Posted by Protect -R- Babys View Post
    I so totaly agree with this post and your prior post. Just wanted to add my 2 cents for the 2nd time ( copied this from an earlier post..of mine on diff thread here
    sorry if thats cheatin a little,,, the discuusion was bridges and which direction LRmay have goe i.e. Monterey

    just a few thoughts...
    1. If the deed was done on Mon I doubt he really would have had time to go to Monterey, what with the bank trip and the Junk-Yard trip.
    2. If the deed was done before Mon I think he may have done a better job of disposal i.e. (not a quick bridge dump) .
    3. I know some of you here think he wouldn't go to much trouble. I think If the deed was done before Mon that, he may have gotten very elaborate. !! We know he feels he is smarter than the average "Dingle Ball" . I can just see him finishing up, wipeing off his hands and thinking, " Look what a Fine Job I've Done, Boy, I'm Good. NO ONE will Ever Figure This Out ".
    4. I would love to know if his bank trip could have been for cash for the rental of a storage facility... is the supposed (mini-fridge) at the house or pluged in somewhere else to avoid the detection of decomp...?
    Hi! Since Hasanni was last known to be alive on 8/6, can't LE go through his cell phone records for the 7th, 8th, and 9th in addition to 8/10 to determine where he was those days? I would think if he deviated anywhere from where he was supposed to be he'd have to account for that or any long time spent in a certain location. I remember when little Trenton Duckett went missing, LE had triangulated all of his mother's cell phone activity for the day prior to him being reported abducted. As for the mini-fridge, I didn't think most storage facilities had electrical outlets in them? MOO
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    Stands to reason, there will be a staged scene consistent with an abduction by a low-life pedophile. There will be no identifying information found with the child that could lead back to Ross..no boxes from WalMart etc., it will be a cold scene, yet contained. Not sure what Ross did regarding a sexual assault consistent with abduction by a pedophile - maybe Ross is exactly what he portrayed the abductor to be...we really don't know!

    No matter how many days Ross had to plan, implement, and dispose of the child, we won't find him near or in Monterey or in a place having a personal connection to Jen and Ross. Seems this was staged as someone who was keeping an eye on Hasanni and knew a little of his routine (Ross mentions routine). Maybe someone with knowledge of where the child went to school or for music lessons. LE should check in and around the school grounds. Ross is a 'get even' kind of guy!!! As I said in another thread - I think Hassani will be found in a container of some kind, perhaps a shallow grave and in an area not that far from home. Since Ross is familiar with the disposal of his own trash, the landfills need to be searched. just guesses!
    Please think long and hard before calling a child a 'run-a-way':
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes4crime View Post
    Stands to reason, there will be a staged scene consistent with an abduction by a low-life pedophile. There will be no identifying information found with the child that could lead back to Ross..no boxes from WalMart etc., it will be a cold scene, yet contained. Not sure what Ross did regarding a sexual assault consistent with abduction by a pedophile - maybe Ross is exactly what he portrayed the abductor to be...we really don't know!

    No matter how many days Ross had to plan, implement, and dispose of the child, we won't find him near or in Monterey or in a place having a personal connection to Jen and Ross. Seems this was staged as someone who was keeping an eye on Hasanni and knew a little of his routine (Ross mentions routine). Maybe someone with knowledge of where the child went to school or for music lessons. LE should check in and around the school grounds. Ross is a 'get even' kind of guy!!! As I said in another thread - I think Hassani will be found in a container of some kind, perhaps a shallow grave and in an area not that far from home. Since Ross is familiar with the disposal of his own trash, the landfills need to be searched. just guesses!
    I agree that the comfort zone is usually around home or places very familiar to the perp, but Hasanni was supposedly abducted from the alley behind Shuz which isn't anywhere near "home" so ~ wouldn't that totally blow apart LR's story since a stranger perp wouldn't dispose of Hasanni's body near LR's house? Or is this perp supposed to be somebody who knew the family and knew of Hasanni from where they lived and just chose that alley as the place of abduction? MOO
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